Wiscougarfan:"Number of outright WAC championships during
1962-1999 (when BYU and UofU were in conference)BYU: 12...Utah: 0"Number of WAC membership requests during 2010 while Utah was negotiating
with the Pac-12: BYU: 1Utah: 0Edge: Utah.
byufan1993:"have sources for those 'other
newspapers'?"He was talking about Jay Drew's article 2
days ago where he said, "Bernard said his only other offer came from Utah
State. He drew some interest from the school that has been his favorite growing
up, Utah, but no offer...'I've never really been a big BYU fan...This
is just how it worked out and where I felt I needed to go.'"
Chris B:"I wonder how many players always wanted to play for
BYU, but "settled" on Utah after a BYU offer never came.Shows that these two programs are on vastly different levels in terms of
talent."Yes indeed. Lots of them as a matter of fact. This
question goes hand in hand on how many BYU rejects are there among the student
body and U alumni at U of U, compared to U of U rejects at BYU. The answer is
obvious. And it is all telling. Chris B, again: Hows that inferiority complex
workin for ya?
@Jealous of the U...."It's what Whit does; rely on other coaches, like
Bronco, to correctly assess talent, and then try to piggybank off of their work,
just like he relied on Urban Meyer and Gary Anderson to build the program Kyle
took credit for."Bronco really assesses talent well he has put
so many of his recruits into the NFL...Oh wait he has put 0 in the NFL? If
Bronco assesses talent so well then why in 8 years has he not put a single one
of those talented kids into the NFL? Is he really that bad of a coach?By the way the other 3 coaches you refrence have countless recruits in the
NFL. Since you say Kyle don't assess talent well he must be one of the best
coaches in the NCAA. To take that many kids with no talent and develop them into
Francis actually was being recruited by other schools - Oregon State and Boise
St were very interested. During the past summer, he decided that he wanted to
stay in Utah and let all the out of state schools know that and declined their
invitations to participate in their elite summer camps. Utah was an option as
well with a conditional offer - he would have to go on a mission first so that
they could count him in their numbers in 2015. In the end, he chose BYU as they
did the best job of recruiting him and everything about their program felt right
for him. By the way, I am a Utah fan but I am a fan of all student athletes,
regardless of who they play for. Too many people on here like to say things and
have no idea about the facts or circumstances or turn a celebration of a great
young man into their own agenda.
Let me tell you why Bernard got "Pac 12" attention, but didn't get
any "Pac 12 offers."He's going on a mission straight
out of High School.I'm guessing we'll see more and more
LDS athletes NOT get offers to other programs when they tell the coaches about
their mission plans. Some coaches are supportive of an athlete leaving as long
as they get to have them around for a year or two to find out if they are really
worth bringing back after a 2 year absence. Some believe that if they get them
in the fold they can discourage them from leaving at all. But how many are
going to save a scholarship for a guy they won't see for two years?Bronco and Whit have dealt with missionaries a lot. They'll
continue to offer them, even if they are going to serve a mission right away.
Anderson will probably do the same. But how many other programs will?
WOW!5 out of 20 posts about a "leftover" BYU recruit by one
disgruntled, increasingly desperate fan from the hill.I was curious
about all of the fuss, so I did a little google search on Utah and USC
recruiting, here's what I found on one recruiting site.Recruiting Class Ranking#2 USC - 16 recruits, ALL FOUR- and
FIVE-star recruitsUCLA, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, and California
were also ranked in the Top 40unranked Utah - only ONE four-star
recruit (same as BYU), every other recruit 3 or fewer starsI wonder
how many players always wanted to play for USC, but "settled" for
another PAC 12 school not named Utah, after a USC offer never came.Care to comment on Utah's true place in the recruiting food chain, Chris
B?Didn't think so.
@byufan,I'm still waiting...
I wonder if Chris B is even a ute fan. He seems to pay a lot more attention to
BYU sports than Utah. Being in the pac12 is nice and all but if you can not
make it to a bowl and in football and your others programs are complete
garbage.(look at the overall MWC conf championships in all sports) then I guess
you find a team ton dislike rather than cheer for a team.
Congrats Francis! I think it's great when an athlete of Francis is able to
commit to a school of BYU's caliber. He had a great high school career and
was able to parlay that into a great opportunity. I hear he's a starter on
the basketball team as well and a freak athlete. Congrats and Herriman is very
proud of you!
@ Winglish,The coach makes all the difference in the world,
especially in High School. It sounds like Herriman has a good one (Coach
Wilson). It's still hard for me to grasp how much Herriman has grown. When
I was in High School, one bus brought the Herriman kids to South Jordan. Thanks
for the feed back. Bingham HS, class of '82I also wish Bernard
good luck, except against Utah 8-)
@ Spokane UteThere is a reason that Herriman football is doing such
a great job: Coach Larry Wilson. He is an awesome coach who has been extremely
successful in the high school ranks. Larry is a former University of Utah
assistant coach (under Jim Fassel). He really understands the game and is a good
man to boot. Herriman is lucky to have Coach Wilson.Good luck to
Francis Bernard! I hope your experience at BYU is exactly what you are looking
for, except for that USU game...
@byufan,I tried to provide the name of the other paper, but the Des
News screeners blocked it for some reason. Use some simple logic and you should
be able to figure out what the "other" Utah paper I'm referring to
is. Go look it up and let me know. I'll be
IRS AgentIt goes both ways, don't kid your self! Utah may have
Chris B stirring the pot, but BYU has more screen names they I can list.
Personally I think think the D News does a pretty dang good job of keeping in
Come on Deseret News and show some consistency. How do Chris B's comments
add to the discussion or generate any positive dialog? You have lost credibility
with your ridiculous double standard. His comments on here (and every other
article) are there to do nothing but provoke the vitriol between the schools
fans. It causes every discussion to deteriorate to a lower level. It adds no
positive value. Please don't make the readers that actually have valid
points have to endure his comments.
Chris Bhave sources for those "other newspapers"?
Chris BLOL at your spin. Now that Bronco has offered a
scholarship, Kyle will be quick to follow. It's what Whit does;
rely on other coaches, like Bronco, to correctly assess talent, and then try to
piggybank off of their work, just like he relied on Urban Meyer and Gary
Anderson to build the program Kyle took credit for.
Number of outright WAC championships during 1962-1999 (when BYU and UofU were in
conference)BYU: 12New Mexico: 2Wyoming: 3Utah: 0W/L record against WAC teams since the U joined the PAC and BYU went
independentBYU: 10-1Utah: 0-1I suggest the trolls stop
talking WAC smack until their teams win a few games against WAC teams.
Other newspapers are saying he has always been a Ute fan and wanted a Ute offer
but that it never came, and that is why he chose BYU.Interesting.I wonder how many players always wanted to play for BYU, but
"settled" on Utah after a BYU offer never came.Shows that
these two programs are on vastly different levels in terms of talent.
Good for Bernard; I hope he does well. It seems like Herriman's football
program has come along way, in a short time.
It's too bad a simple article turns into bashing each others programs
instead of talking about the recruit. Those doing it are clearly not comfortable
with their teams programs.From this cougar fan - welcome Francis,
looks like you are a very versitile player with a good mix of size and speed.
Can't wait to see you on the field in a couple years after your mission.
I'm optomistic about the future of cougar football with quality athletes
like you joining us.
Chris B - Which bowl game are your "big boys" playing in??
Classy Utah fans must cringe every time they see CB's screen name at the
top of another comments section.Francis Bernard is the type of
player who will leave on a mission, return to redshirt a year and get back in
shape, and then will suddenly burst onto the scene causing many fans to wonder
where this kid came from.Welcome aboard Francis!
chrissyThe "big boy" Utes are 0-1 against the
"powerhouse" WAC boys and DROPPED even closer to the basement in year
two of the PAC 10.2.If Utah could have only beaten the WAC boys, the
mighty weak Utes wouldn't be playing in the couch potato bowl.Should be really exciting to watch the continuing downward spiral in the years
The big boys that play PAC 12 football. You mean the ones that LOST to USU?
With that weichers kid decommitting from byu to usu and this kid going to USU,
it looks like we're going to have some real recruiting battles between WAC
powerhouses byu and usu, for all the leftover kids who couldnt get a Pac 12
offer.Should be exciting to watch in the years to come.
"received a lot of Pac 12 attention" but no Pac 12 offers?How cute. Trying to compare him to the big boys that play Pac 12 football.