'Fiscal cliff' adds uncertainty to Utah's otherwise positive economic outlook for 2013

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  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    Dec. 12, 2012 3:18 p.m.

    The road money is borrowed money from our children's future. Given to us by stimulus from Obama. That is not recovery. That is insanity. We have bounced back. Where are those men who were working. What has happened to them and where is our economy now?

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Dec. 12, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    The liberals here need to look at what they are complaining about. They say that the conservatives that get elected in Utah should be more liberal, like them. Why do they want to put liberal policies into place when liberal policies fail so often? If Utah's unemployment rate is 5.2% when the national average is around 7.8%, I think that it should be the other way around. We need to elect national leaders that are more conservative and less liberal. If the Reddest state in the US can have such a low unemployment rate, and attracts the businesses that it does, what would happen if the national government followed Utah's example?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 12, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    Too bad BO is holding the economy and middle class tax cuts hostage to continue his political and class warfare. Too bad we did not elect a leader.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 12, 2012 9:10 a.m.

    The Federal Government gave in to everything during the Bush and especially now with Obama. Federalism is not what you want for business practices. The Federal government is made of people, bureaucrats that don't care about local government. States are "partners" but are not equal or of the same value. Remember the good neighbor policy. Some called us the neighbor and didn't use the term good for us. Other countries know that we have a strong defense and they can't beat us militarily, at least in the past. However, if they get inside our business climate or world, they can beat us by tactics, strategies, and threats that won't and don't work militarily.

    Our businesses moved overseas due to federal requirements, not state requirements. States were required to mirror or be "at least as effective" as federal law, so the federal government is not necessarily the nice or good neighbor.

    Military is for the federal government. All these linking straws and making webs to include having products made in one state and used in another as a federal commerce act provision took a little doing.

    You can make anything become a federal entitlement.

  • Itsme2 SLC, UT
    Dec. 12, 2012 9:07 a.m.

    Too bad Obama refuses to make any real spending cuts. He's spending us into oblivion. I'd probably be okay with some tax increases if he'd be serious about cutting the waste.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2012 8:52 a.m.

    But having a republican business take over of our government is much the worse that falling off a cliff.

    Business is at war with the people. In Utah the people have already lost. Our only chance for a return to the American dream is the Federal government. If we lose there, we will probably join the rest of the world in chaos.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 12, 2012 8:52 a.m.

    There is a little truth in how we are today versus Germany in the 1920s and 1930s into the 1940s. The rich people and laborers in Germany helped bring Hitler's nationalism to being, sort of like how Wall Street and the Unions helped get this President elected again. Who is going to become the target group that becomes the hiss and by-word if this President gets his wish of a third and fourth term as his idol President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. All those programs that made us pretty lax on defense of the country along with the League of Nations that made us vulnerable from the east and west for an attack on our freedoms. Social programs are important but not at the expense of losing our freedoms in a democracy and a republic and with a Constitution that has courts, Presidents and Congress pushing the limit. We even have a Constitutional attorney as President and he knows where the limits are and with his Chicago PR group and people he knows how far to push it until the people agree with his type of approach. Give people programs, not basic life teaching events.
    Build a crisis.

  • Montana Mormon Miles City, MT
    Dec. 12, 2012 8:52 a.m.

    It would be really nice if our elected officials in Washington, D.C., would be collaborative problem solvers instead of partisan prima donas. Alas, I don't hold out much hope.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Dec. 12, 2012 4:54 a.m.

    UT's contributes to the prospects of going over the fiscal clifff by electing people like Mike Lee (hasn't seen a filibuster he doesn't like) -and Jason Chaffetz, instead of moderates like Bob Bennett. Nothing is more irresponsible than using the debt ceiling in a game of chicken. Raising the debt ceiling enables the U.S. to pay its past obligations. Mike Lofgren, Republican aide and Congresssional staffer for 30 yrs, upon retiring put it this way:

    "It should have been evident to clear-eyed observers that the Republican Party is becoming less and less like a traditional political party in a representative democracy and becoming more like an apocalyptic cult, or one of the intensely ideological authoritarian parties of 20th century Europe.

    Far from being a rarity, virtually every bill, every nominee for Senate confirmation and every routine procedural motion is now subject to a Republican filibuster. ..It is no wonder that Washington is gridlocked: legislating has now become war minus the shooting, something one could have observed 80 years ago in the Reichstag of the Weimar Republic. As Hannah Arendt observed, a disciplined minority of totalitarians can use the instruments of democratic government to undermine democracy itself."