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Utah fans = can't accept the truth that Utes aren't good enough to
beat the Cougars straight up
BYU fans = persecution complex. There is nothing wrong with playing physical
basketball (nor is it mob like or thugish) and every ref is not out to get
you.You won; let it go.
Indy Crimson,Please don't forget Notre Dame, FSU, Baylor, and Iowa
State. Those seems to slip your mind when spewing out the weak schedule BYU
plays.Yeah, The Utes suprised me too, I had no clue that they could stay
this close but the mob-style tactics they used on defense only worked for the
first half. Too bad they could not be consistent. This will be a problem for
the entire season.
CGI watched the game very closely, especially Martin on defense, I always
do. I can tell you that Davies played some extremely weak basketball in the
first half. Second half that changed and he played much better. as did Haws.
There was no tackling, Haws and Martin got tangled up in the first half twice
and both went down. I congragulate BYU on the win and the adjustments made by
Coach Rose at the half. That is why they won the game. Bad calls were made, or
calls were not made on both sides and the game pretty well evened out in the
end. Be happy with your teams win and hope they learn to play more physical
moving forward.Go Utes!!!
Utah fans - we're coming on, great effort, the Utes are back, moral
victory, wait until next year. BYU fans - 61-58.
CG, please direct me to when this "tackling" occurred. Haws let himself
get boxed out on two early rebounds, got tangled up trying to fight through it,
and paid the price. He obviously learned from it because he did a better job
positioning himself and got some offensive rebounds later. Davies was
double-teamed every time he got the ball, same thing BYU did to Utah's
bigs. No Utah fans have complained about that because IT'S BASKETBALL, it
happens! I suggest you watch the game instead of recreating it with
embellishments every time you recap it.
CGCurious if you saw the box score.byU had 16 fouls
called on them....Utah? 21Basketball is a "physical"
game and I think this game was officiated fairly if not a bit in the favor of
the cougs, which is usually the case at the MC.Can't argue
Utes22"I don't believe I have ever heard so many people
whining about the defense that was played against their team in a win..."You obviously didn't watch the game or pay any attention to the
defense being played against Davies and especially Haws. If even half of the
obvious fouls on Haws had been called, every Utah player guarding Tyler would
have fouled out. The Utes simply got lucky that the game was called by the three
blind mice.Basketball is a physical game, but where in the rules
does it state you're allowed to tackle an opposing player?This
isn't football or MMA.
I don't believe I have ever heard so many people whining about the defense
that was played against their team in a win basketball is a physical game
afterall. BYU won a close game against their biggest rival that is seriously
improved over the last few years. Congrats to them on the win and good luck
moving forward. The game was officiated pretty well on both sides and fret not
Cougar fans your team is still pretty good and will more likely then not have a
very successful season. It is possible for both teams to be solid at the same
time. Good luck to both teams moving forward.Go Utes!!!
I went to the BYU-Iowa State game and saw the difficulty we had with a team that
plays tough, physical defense. Utah took a page from ISU & tried to do the
same thing. The difference in last Saturdays game clearly was Carlino. BYU needs
another option besides Davies & Haws & until Matt or other players step
up to become that other option consistenly opponents will continue to play the
way Utah & ISU did against us. I'm sure Rose knows this and is trying
to put a team on the floor to give him 3 or 4 consistent scorers. If &
that's a big IF we find players that can score we'll be in good shape.
Thus far, we've struggled. But Coach Rose has shown an ability to get
players to respond in past years. I trust he'll do the same this year. Go
UteologyNot worried about BYU's SOS or RPI affecting BYU's
NCAA tourney chances. BYU's pre-season schedule this season is as good or
better than last season. BYU is a proven commodity in the NCAA tournament.
Another 25+ win season and BYU will be back in the tourney, just like they have
for each of the last 6 years.Utah, on the other hand, killed their
chances of being an at large selection by playing a pathetically weak pre-season
schedule that included D-III and D-II teams that won't even count in
Utah's RPI or won-loss record. The best the Utes can do pre-season is
finish 8-3, which means Utah would have to finish 12-6 in conference just to get
to 20 wins. Sorry, not going to happen. Bottom line, the Utes won't win
enough games this season for their RPI to even be a factor.
The headline could have just as easily been "Early shooting woes almost cost
BYU the game!"
Meant to say CU handled CSU, not handled by.
CougFaninTX, you may be right, we're still a long way from Selection
Sunday, though, so there's a lot to be proven the rest of the season.
Certain teams in the PAC (UW, USC) are down, but others (Arizona, Oregon State)
seem to be hitting stride again, while a few others look good at times, but are
too inconsistent (Colorado, Oregon, Cal, Washington State, UCLA, with Utah
climbing into the conversation now). However, most experts don't agree with
you that the Pac-12 isn't among the top 5 conferences overall. They
definitely are very distantly behind the Big East, B1G, and ACC, but maybe not
too far behind the Big XII.The MWC is not looking as tough this
year. UNLV was beaten at home by Oregon and needed a buzzerbeater today to get
by Cal. Fresno was beaten handily by Wazzu. Utah smashed Boise State. CU handled
by CSU. SDSU is formidable, as always, and Wyoming and Boise are really their
surprise teams this year, but their top teams don't seem as good, and the
bottom teams are much, much worse. But the season is still early, so who knows?
@Uteology - "Overall I think we can all agree that Coach K has the team on
the right track."I completely agree, Coach K has Duke out to a
9-0 start and ranked #2, but this article is about the Utes and Cougars not
@indycrimson - "Now all of the chatter about strength of schedule etc...and
the PAC 12 being weak...below is the definition of weak, Sagarin current
ranking:"I'm not sure if you were referring to my comments,
but Strength of Schedule and Weakness are not the same thing. I have no trouble
conceding the PAC is a stonger conference this year than the WCC. But what I
don't buy into is that the PAC is one of the top conferences. The Big East
and Big 10 are clearly at the top. The PAC is not in the Top 5. The MWC is
ahead of the PAC. The WCC is particularly weak at the bottom. But there is a
very good possibility that both the PAC and the WCC will have three teams in the
dance. I'm surprised the PAC only has one team in the Top 25. I thought
the PAC would be greatly improved over last year, but I think they are about the
same as last year.
Funny how far the u has fallen! To be excited about only losing by 3. You
still lost!!! Get used to it as you won't win many more this year.
Put in Lark now so there won't be any would of could of should of in
Since this was a BYU win, I was surprised to see so many nay-sayer Ute fans
post. Where are the BYU fans? Great strategy and great game! How we love our BYU
players and coach Rose!Go Cougars!
I don't know that Haws and Davies got "mugged"(well maybe a little)
but the Utes played very aggressive defense to their credit. It was an exciting
game to see on TV. The hometown fans booing the refs is just part of the game,
it even happens in the Huntsman Center.
TrueBlue & sammyg ...Whine all you want about the
"mugging" that supposedly happened at the hands of Utah, but until the
BYU coaching staff learns how to teach their teams to cope with tough D as well
as play some tough D of their own, they'll never do much damage in the post
season.I like Rose and staff, but the run and gun mentality is better for
watching/entertainment than it is for winning big games late in the season. This
is something Majerus understood and the current staff at Utah gets it as well
... it's just a matter of time and a few more recruits.
You don't often see so many comments about the poor officiating coming from
fans of the team that won the game and shot more free throws. I did watch the
game and thought it was called pretty well. It's funny watching the game
on BYU TV and hearing the BYUTV announcers agree with most of the calls but the
fans booing like crazy on virtually every call. It was a great game and I tip
my hat to the Cougars. They sure fought hard and came back to beat the Utes.
Good luck on the rest of you schedule.Go Utes!!!
I think at times everyone gets hung up on ratings. Last night showed that what
counts is what happens on the floor. Utah's coaches made a decision to
take Davies and Haws out of the offense and it almost worked. The problem was
that the early missed open shots started to fall at the end. The other problem
for Utah was the physical play eventually got them into foul trouble and BYU
started getting to the line.We learned what most already supsected
that Utah is getting better and BYU has a real problem with offensive production
outside of Davies and Haws.Both teams shot in the 30% range and each
had one half of less than 30. Good defense, yeas, but, many misses were wide
open shots. I think where the good defense came in was forcing changes in the
other team's game plan. So Utah fans can crow what might have
been and BYU fans quieting be grateful that the bullet missed.In a
way, kind of like this year's football game. Neither team played well and
a missed 3 pointer was the deciding difference in the game.
Utah, picked to be the worst team in the PAC-12, dominated BYU in the paint in
the first half. We went away from it in the second half and lost because of 8
missed open shots. Overall I think we can all agree that Coach K has the team
on the right track. I'm impressed by our defense, we held BYU to 61 on the
road and Boise to 55 at home. If we continue to play defense like that
we'll be in every game this year.@SportsFanSOS?
What about the RPI, which is used by the NCAA to help pick at-large teams and
determine seeds for the NCAA Tournament? Can you please look that up
and get back to us.
A confidence maker for Utah; a confidence breaker for BYU.Utah fans
tuned in, expecting the Utes to lose, but curious if the Boise State game was a
fluke. It wasn't. Fans progresed from expecting to lose, to enjoying the
Ute domination (even the BYU-TV commentators remarked on this), to "maybe we
could win this".Cougar fans entered the game unsettled with the
season so far. They spent 7/8 of the game wringing their hands and wondering
"how can this be happening?" Afterall, this is the worst team in the
PAC 12. "We should be winning by 20 or more!" The enjoyment of a last
minute win will soon give way to more questions, grumbling about the line up,
and growing doubt.
indycrimsonNice try, but the only SOS U need to worry about is
Utah's, and the Ute's pre-season SOS is so pathetically weak,
currently 273rd in the country, that the Utes effectively eliminated themselves
from the post season, before the season began.So beat your chest
about how strong the PAC 12 is this year, but the truth is, that gives Utah even
less of a chance of stealing a PAC 12 tourney title, which is the only way the
Utes would have of playing in the NCAAs this season.
"Dean said that BYU’s switch to a zone STUNNED them in the second
half. The Utes, he explained, got stagnant and didn’t move the ball like
they had in the first half.Utah built a 12-point lead before the
break and held a 35-26 advantage at halftime. The Utes had 22 points in the
paint and shot 46.4 percent from the field over the first 20 minutes."By mugging Davies and Haws throughout the game, the Utes almost pulled
it off, but as soon as Carlino became the third scoring option BYU has been
looking for, game over.Congrats Cougs!
Both teams had droughts so that's not a totally viable excuse for losing.
But the change to a zone defense and shutting down the easy points
that the Utes had control in the paint was probably the real reason things
turned around. Fouls also allowed the Cougars to cash in at the charity
stripe.Carlino dumping 3s is what clenched the game, especially
those couple of back to back 3s to tighten the game and change the momentum.So Utes you have the beginnings of something of a team this year. Not
sure how long the muggings under the basket (Davies) and away from the ball
(Haws) will take you but if you can get away with more agressive play you might
win a few more games.Congrats for your moral victory in a rebuilding
season. Let the Ute chest pounding begin! LOL
The Utes surprised many. We can only hope that the Boise and BYU games are a
sign of how this team has jelled earlier than expected. Lots of talk about
moral victory? Not for me, a win is a win and the winner is a) the better team
and b) earns bragging rights...in both cases BYU won...Now all of
the chatter about strength of schedule etc...and the PAC 12 being weak...below
is the definition of weak, Sagarin current ranking:CA. 24.
Portland 269AZ. 26. San Diego. 235CO.
34. Pepperdine. 221Stan. 40. San Fran. 124OR.
57. Santa Clara. 97OR ST 65. St Mary. 70WA.
68. Gonzaga. 4UCLA. 71. Loyola M. 150AZ St.
88. BYU. 58SoCal. 91WASt. 111Utah. 181BYU has 5 teams they will play twice that are worse than Utah. Utah will
play 5 teams twice that are better than BYU... So we can congratulate byu on
beating #181... And stop the chatter about scheduling strength.
BYU tightened the screws down the stretch and the Utes folded; not surprising
that Utah's hot shooting against Boise State and at the beginning of the
BYU game would eventually cool off.