atl134:I guess you know who Manziel is now. If not check out the
billboard in Times Square or the full page add in the New York Times or US
atl134:I believe I have seen you post before and have respected your
comments while not necessarily agreeing with them. However, as you identify
yourself as not being LDS by saying "your faith", I would respectfully
point out that you might be out of place in telling me how my church does
things. The person who is the current president of the church did not serve a
mission because circumstances were different at the time. I also know the
previous president, Gordon Hinckley, did not expect to serve a mission due to
world conditions but was surprised with a specific invitation from church
leadership to do so. Most of missionary age at that time were not serving
missions. I don't know how long church leaders have been saying "every
young man". It has been quite a while, but probably some time after World
War II that it started.
An LDS Mission is a call given to a worthy member of the LDS Church by the
Church Leaders. Manti Teo has played well for # 1 rated Notre Dame
but don't confuse being a good example at Notre Dame, BYU, or (Heaven
forbid) Utah or Wyoming with an actual "Mission Call" from the Church
Headquarters to serve a proselyting mission for 2 years (or 18 months for
@Cougar PassionI understand where you are coming from. I went on a
mission and when I got home, I felt like it was something that young men in the
church could not afford to miss for anything. It was that life changing.
However, I also think Manti IS on a mission. He has touched far more lives than
I or most missionaries could hope to. He is on the most historic, celebrated,
fabled college football team in America (sorry BYU, not you) and he has been a
fantastic example. I think the Lord utilizes different people according to
their talents and Manti happens to work in the South Bend part of the
vineyard.As for all the fuss about why his religion is being
highlighted, this is a Mormon newspaper. It doesn't try to hide that fact.
@Cougar Passion"I do think it is worth pointing out that he likely
could have had the same impact in his choices, and additionally served a
full-time mission"Considering that your faith thinks God thought
well enough of a certain decent man who didn't serve a mission to make him
the current Prophet... there's probably more important things for you to
worry about than whether or not Te'o should've served one.
I think I hear the sound of thousands of readers googling Manziel to figure out
who he even is (hint: he's that random name you all keep seeing at the
bottom of the bajillion Te'o articles in recent weeks).
Many roads to Rome as there are different kinds of missions. Yes, the leaders
have counseled that every worthy young man should serve a mission and although
it is wise and safe to always follow their counsel, we still have our free
agency to pray about it and get our own confirmation. I believe that is what
Manti did with all his decisions. This is what is wonderful about the Gospel,
we are not robots who are expected to blindly marched to what others take as
orders, instead of counsel.I am positive Manti has open a lot of doors for
the the full time missionaries through his examples and positive publicity that
he has gotten the last few months. It is an important mission much like Steve
Young and others before him.Rather than passing judgement, just enjoy the
moment and the good fortune of one of our own. Good luck Manti and bring the
What's the religion of the other Heisman candidates? Don't know?Maybe that's because other churches don't try to overshadow
athlete's personal accomplishments.Also, does this mean it's
cool for all Mormons to get tattoo's? Cool!
Cougar Passion,I don't think you are hypocritical. However, it
seems that there are at least a couple of differences between you and the church
leaders you reference. One is that they would not likely espouse the positions
such as those that you have under pseudonyms. Another is that they
wouldn't likely call out specific members of the church on a public forum,
rather they would teach general principles. The principles that you espouse
seem to be consistent with those espoused by church leaders. However, your
apparent decision to take it one step further by calling out Manti for being
something less than what you perceive he should be on this public forum is
something unique to you, something that a church leader, such as a general
authority, would not generally do. Your decision to do so anonymously further
distinguishes yourself from them. Yours Truly, a fellow anonymity.
I'm guessing that, since I was the only one to suggest Manti could have
been even more positive in his influence by serving a full-time mission,
"certain sanctimonious pre-judgments" refers to my comments. I looked
up the word "sanctimonious" on Merriam-Webster and came up with this:
"hypocritically pious or devout". So my question to any who feel that
way is: Is it hypocritical to espouse the same position as church leaders
have--many times--which is that every worthy young man should serve a full-time
mission? If you go with the position that church leaders are inspired of God in
their pronouncements, then is it sanctimonious to side with them? It would
certainly be hypocritical if I suggested my own son--who may end up playing at a
very high level in another sport--was exempt from church leaders' counsel,
but I haven't. Perhaps church leaders told Manti not to serve
a full-time mission--anything is possible. My comments are for any high-level
athlete: By and large, the decision to go against the counsel of church leaders
is simply based on rationalization that somehow it doesn't apply to them.
@nothegame I am Mormon and I have served a mission and I totally agree with you.
Just know comments finding fault with those who choose not to serve white shirt
and tie missions or set out a numbered agenda on what LDS athletes should do are
not mainstream. I question what the intent is of those who purport
to be Mormons then make comments that no Mormon I know would ever make is. I
wonder if they are actually Mormons.
Not morman but this is why most people outside of Utah county dislike u all. For
goodness sake just enjoy the kid. It's like saying he would have been a
better person if he would have went on a mission. If he would have went maybe he
wouldn't have even played when he got back. Don't like Notre Dame but
like them more than Alabama
Krwman:Thank You. I share your sentiments. Manti; congratulations on
your accomplishments for yourself, your family and your faith. More
importantly, I am happy for the way you have conducted yourself in South Bend
and in the community of Catholic Saints as well as throughout the sports world.
Keep up the good work.
As a Cougar fan, BYU alum and an RM, I have to take exception to certain
sanctimonious pre-judgments of Manti's decisions. Can't we just
celebrate this outstanding young man's accomplishments? I now can see why
he went to South Bend. Had he come to the Wasatch Front he would have had to
endure some unfortunate attitudes for four years. Jeez.
Manti IS serving a mission. Although not formally called, he's applying
all the power of the media and the resources of the modern age, and influencing
thousands via those mechanisms. He's a good example of the fact that it
takes more than physical ability to be a great athlete, and he's an
inspiration to those who recognize all the parallels between achievement in
athletics and accomplishment in other facets of life.
If he had been non-Mormon, I don't think he would have been anywhere near
as inspiring to many young people as he has been. Let's hope that Manti
remembers to point out to every person he meets, that he is---(1.)---of the LDS
faith, (2.) willing to share his story---and (3.) anxious to let other know how
they can become Mormon. His football accomplishments are wonderful and we all
give him credit for that. But let's always remember that his greatest
accomplishment lies in his ability to represent the church with every snap of
Dick, Manti didn't play for the Kahuku Red Raiders, he played at Punahou
Without specifically commenting on the right/wrong/good/bad of choosing to go to
Notre Dame or not to serve a mission, I do think it is worth pointing out that
he likely could have had the same impact in his choices, and additionally served
a full-time mission. I suppose some might think his ability to positively
impact people at Notre Dame or nationally would have been diminished if he chose
to serve a full-time mission. I frankly don't think that would be the
case, and in fact think his impact would have been even greater if indeed he had
served a full-time mission. Then he would not only be praised for all the
qualities that he certainly has, but, if influence was the goal, think of what
more would be added to the conversation if the national media could link him to
all the other LDS missionaries around the world. Does any LDS person think that
would not have opened even a few more doors?
Good luck tomorrow Manti. We are pulling for you thanks for your example.
Where UCLA and USC flags are predominant on the homes in our area, today for the
first time I saw a Notre Dame flag flying on a home in our neighborhood.
I'm seeing lots of new ND t-shirts and sweatshirts as I'm out and
about. This ND team, led by Manti, has awakened the echoes!
Good luck to Manti and Notre Dame. I hope he wins the Heisman.