3 bodies recovered from wreckage of plane missing for a week

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  • FredEx Salt Lake, Ut
    Dec. 3, 2012 11:08 a.m.

    It appears they flew due east out of Fillmore and tried to cross the mountain range at about 9,300 feet. That meant having to gain about 4,300 feet of altitude in about 12 miles. It sure seems following I-15 while gaining altitude would have been the better choice. There's a much lower pass at Scipio.

    At first I wondered if they might have got some bad gas at Fillmore airport, but now hearing that they just missed clearing the mountain range makes me think otherwise.

    Sad story for everyone involved.

  • oldschool Farmington, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 11:05 a.m.

    It must be awful to lose a loved one in this way. Don't kid yourself about the safety of small planes, however. When your car engine fails, usually it leads to nothing but some inconvenience. When thick fog obscures the way, you can pull over a car and wait it out. If you lose your way in a car, you're highly unlikely to die as a result. A friend of mine was a bush pilot in Alaska for 30 years. He told me once that there were 11 pilots in his first flight school, which was designed specifically for flying in the bush. All but two of them died in air crashes. I personally avoid small planes whenever possible.

  • AChapin Albany, Linn, OR
    Dec. 3, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    My heart goes out to the family's. They are are at life's rest. Aloha is how I say it best.

    My thoughts on FAA rules. My dad and I used to build aircraft and found that most accidents are caused by pilot error. Not the plane its self. They all at some point know what they are supposed to do but get complacent.

    I can't help but to feel bad for the family left here on earth. I wish the best for them.

    Aloha, Andy Chapin, Oregon

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 9:59 a.m.

    Statistics for general aviation is a guess, also. Commercial airlines and flights have strict logging requirements that are put into the system for tracking. General aviation has no real tracking system that commercial carriers do. That is like comparing apples and oranges. Even though the flight times are to be logged, there is not a guaranteed system the commercial carriers use and document. Revenue is the big difference. The airlines want to know the revenue flights for keeping track of the FAA and also the business times and money flow. General aviation is not on that same type of system. Do you may know it takes 12 hours to drive somewhere but that is not necessarily the drivng time. You have already planned for rest and food stops, gas stops, etc. Then you have to have a collection point for that information.

    Since not all flights in general aviation have flight plans and points along the way are not known, there is not a way to know in the FAA system. Some pilots don't want too much FAA or government regulations in their lives as they just want to get out and fly without bounds.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    The Commercial Airline Part 121 and 135 have very strict rules and regulations governing their maintenance of aircraft, pilot operational and medical requirements, and loading and fueling and weather requirements to gain the kind of record they have. It is similar to the commercial trucking industry that have many more requirements to guarantee safety and operational safety on the road.

    However, in the General Aviation operations, even though they have requirements under the FAA for maintenance, medical and operational requirements, they are far from what Part 121 and 135 require. It is almost like a private citizen getting into their car. You have the vehicle licensed and registered, and have a drivers' license. There are distinct rules in the flight world for weather, fuel, maintenance and pilot operational rules and regulations. However, not all the requirements are enforced the same as with a carrier. The carrier has responsibility for safety of what the pilots and flight crew are to do and are doing.

    Private pilots don't have someone looking over their shoulders and monitoring that their aircraft and their physical or medical status is what the FAA has in their rules. Pilots take personal responsibility for that, ELT, flight plan.

  • The Judge Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 2, 2012 9:01 p.m.


    I suppose that depends on your definition of "safe." General aviation airplanes have a fatal accident rate of 16 per one million flight hours. If I live to be, say, 80, that's 29,200 days. Statistically I'd have to fly 34 hours every day of my 80 years before I'd crash. That seems pretty safe to me. FYI, airlines have a fatal accident rate of .34 per one million flight hours, if you throw out the commuter airlines. Pretty doggone safe.

  • Zona Zone Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 2, 2012 7:23 p.m.

    While commercial airlines are incredibly safe, these small planes are not.

  • dd54ale bakersfield, CA
    Dec. 2, 2012 3:03 p.m.

    I had the pleasure of working with matt her in bak ca and will miss him prayers for there familys . D. Robinson