I can't get my head around this controversy, CK had a good game, AS is hurt
and with the care given slobberknockers, there isn't any way to know when
he can pass the neurological tests to be cleared to play. Could it be that
sports writers have a hot button making them crazed with any hint of a "Two
QB dilemma". I thought the headline after the BYU-NMSt game hinting of a QB
battle silly, given there is a meaningless bowl game left, neither player coming
back. I do think that Smith has developed a moody, difficult reputation among
NFL fans, that might explain the idea that he's out if a back-up shows
himself to have a pulse. AS apologists don't jump on me, I'm just
reporting what I'm hearing. He had battles with Nolan and the SJ Mercury
made him out to be a jerk, who was or maybe "wasn't" as injured as
he made himself out to be. And with 4 head coaches and maybe 10 OC's he
hasn't exactly had it easy. I think he'll start for a few more years,
that this is a manufactured controversy.
@uteologyKaepernick is a "vastly superior" talent, vastly. I
explained what I meant by that but you obviously want to keep pretending it was
otherwise even after I clarified it. As far as smith goes, well it is good to
know you aren't as delusional as 99% of the utah "fans" around here
when it comes to smith. Congratulations on that.
While I don't like how Alex Smith's whole career has played out in San
Francisco, Harbaugh is going to play the person and people that give his team
the best opportunity to win. And I don't blame him. I would go with the
hot hand too that is hotter than the recent hot hand. While Kaepernick showed
he can definitely play, he looked like a football player who has been playing in
the NFL for awhile now. Would Kaepernick have been as successful having gone
through the troubles Alex Smith went through when he became a 49er? No one
knows for sure. The verdict is still out once teams adjust to his style of
play. Will he still be the effective quarterback that earned him the starting
job and last two 49er victories? Kaepernick has a good coach and coaching staff
that has turned the 49ers back to the glory days. Smith didn't have that
when he got drafted. Provided he probably made mistakes of his own during his
career. I love the 49ers! They have been my team since childhood. As much
crap as Alex Smith has gone through. That is one tough Hombre!
Alex Smith is a game manager. Kap, has the higher ceiling.
@DuckyDon't put words in my mouth, I never said Alex was great.
I even said Alex was at best a backup QB 3 years ago. You however said CK is
"vastly superior". Alex is a good QB who should get a
chance somewhere next year.This is CK's team now. I just
don't think he's ready to lead us to the super bowl, I think Alex
could. Apparently you and Harbaugh disagree, only time will tell.
@gdogI'll give Smith credit for winning but it is provisional
because he is not the one winning the games, he is simply not losing them in my
opinion. He is a good qb but he is not a star and I do not think he ever will be
a star. I do give him credit for the comeback he has made these last 2 years
because he was pretty much DOA before that, but I still don't think he is
any more than a journeyman with a limited upside. It is to bad this is happening
in SF because they are actually a team set up to make a qb like him successful.
He doesn't have to try to be more than he is because of the great defense
and the running game. But I won't lie, I thought it was just a matter of
time before this occured. Not that I was thinking kaeprnick was going to be
great just that I didn't think Harbaugh would be content long term with a
game manager type qb, he wants a star that can win games when everything else
isn't working. That isn't Smith.
What I am saying is that many in the clueless Bay area ripped Alex for not
winning when the coaches and supporting cast were weak, but on the flipside,
they can't give him credit when the team finally got the right pieces in
place for a QB (Alex) to succeed, and Alex won.
@DuckhunterYou're right, Smith doesn't have great arm
strength. He lost some of that with shoulder surgery years back. But his arm
isn't weak and there are plenty of big name stars who don't have great
arm strength. Joe Montana never had a big arm. Peyton Manning has never had a
cannon. Smith doesn't have the raw talent of Kaepernick, but who does?
It's not like Smith is not talented. He was picked #1 overall for a reason.
And despite the world being against him, he did not lose confidence in himself.
Again as for talent. Smith is athletic (shifty, good speed for a QB,
throws an accurate ball, makes good decisions, and takes hits). Now, I see the
hype for Kaepernick. He is a physical beast. I just don't see Smith as
below average. The Niners run a conservative offense because of the their
defense and running game. Smith hasn't had the chance to open it up. If you can't give Alex credit for winning with a solid team around
him, then how is it fair to find fault with him when he was losing with no
reasonableUTE, Kap, is not better than Smith this year, but he does
have a higher ceiling. Thats what Harbaugh is going with. Smith is a game
There is no freshman quarterback that would have survived under Mike Singletary.
The niner line didn't protect their quarterbacks under the horrible
coaches.Smith had to wait for his turn, just like Steve Young.
Harbaugh and Smith are in now. Smith will take the niners to the playoffs again
and Kaepernick will find a way to get out of his contract. I wish him luck in
Also utah "fans" I actually agree that smith might give the 49ers a
better chance to win this year, but my guess is that Harbaugh and the 49ers that
matter don't think that chance is very good anyway or else they
wouldn't be doing this. Regardless smith is not a great talent
and he has pretty much reached his potential and that is just not good enough.
Harbaugh has decided it and utah "fan" angst isn't going to change
things. @sunny all dayI do not care how much money smith
has made, good for him, but that has little to do with the caliber of qb that he
is at this point. It seems that no one but utah "fans" see him as
anything more than ok.
@speedyIf I've beaten it to death then so have the utah
"fans" like uteology. Just because they say over and over again that
alex smith is better and that he is some great qb doesn't make it so. Great
qb's don't get benched for 2nd round picks. Like I said I am not the
one saying this, Harbaugh is the one saying it and his opinion is the one that
really matters. I have nothing against smith and think he has done a decent job
but in professional sports "decent", like 13 tds and 5 ints, is not
"great" and teams are looking for "great". Obviously Harbaugh
and the 49ers do not consider smith capable of reaching that level. To bad for
him but that is the nature of sports.
Alex has made more money and will continue to make more money than all the ute
haters from highland could ever dream of making.
Kap is not a better QB than Smith. Smith has been the most efficient
quarterback in the NFL this season, please explain to me why Kap is better. His
stats have been worse. If it weren't for those 2 pick 6's the 9ers
would have likely lost that game. The 9ers will not win the super bowl behind
Kap. There is absolutely zero evidence that suggests Kap gives them a better
chance to win. Finally, anyone who blames Smith for their loss to the Giants
last year is absolutely crazy. Williams muffed 2 punts, without those 2 muffed
punts, 9ers go to the super bowl.
This whole thing is ridiculous. The only arguments I've heard for CKap
are:1) He's tall (so is travis wilson)2) He has a big arm (so
does Uncle Rico)3) He has potential (as if that wins super bowls now)Everyone knows SF's best chance at a Super Bowl is this year. CKap
people somehow think that he will be ready to lead a team through the playoffs
with only a few starts under his belt, this is nonsense. CKap IS the Future of
the Niners, but not this year or the next one. Bring the Kid along the way
Green Bay did with Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers.
Alex Smith is currently the 5th highest QB in the NFL with a rating of 104.1; 13
TDs and 5 Ints. Hardley the numbers of a bust. I will be suprised if he's
benched, but can't see it being for long; if it does happen.
I am a lifelong 49er fan. It is so silly to see this become a BYU/Utah thing
here. Real 49er fans don't care who plays as long as the Niners win. All
you BYU fans sound desperate. You can't beat Utah on the field, so the
only thing you can do is bash one of their ex-qb's over his performance in
the NFL. That's pretty weak. You Utah fans sound desperate too. If Alex
Smith wins at the next level, does that really make your lame 5-7 record look
better? This SF team is winning because of amazing defense and a solid running
game. I'm happy with either guy as long as we win.
too bad for Smith - he was having a decent year followed by a really good year
last season. You do well and you get demoted...pretty harsh. Kaepernick is the
real deal - big arm and good legs plus he seems to read defenses pretty good for
a rookie. Smith needs to go some place else ... some system that maximizes his
skills that needs a QB like Arizona. Alex is a good QB - he throws well and he
runs well plus he is smart... he just isn't a risk taker and doesn't
stretch the field as much as Kaepernick can. Kaepernick will struggle some
against a really good defense like the New York Giants or the Houston Texans. I
actually think I would prefer Smith against the better defenses simply because
Alex won't beat you with interceptions trying to force things whereas
Kaepernick most likely will. If Harbaugh does bench Smith for good then
attempting to come back to him to rescue some playoff game isn't going to
work. Confidence once broken is seldom regained in the NFL.
Psychologically, I think Alex has already moved on and will demand a trade at
year-end. No matter what happens in the playoffs, I would bet he wants out. Alex
has played well enough that he doesn't deserve to be benched for an injury.
He simply doesn't make many mistakes/turnovers. My hunch is
that Alex goes to the Chiefs. Just a hunch.
DuckhunterIt's so sad that you (first comment) had to make this
a Utah/BYU thing. You look for anything to dis the U of U.
@DuckhunterYou said CK was "vastly superior" than Smith.
Which is ridiculous considering he wasn't able to beat out the current #5
rated NFL QB until he was injured. I've said CK is more than capable
leading the 9ers going forward and has a greater "potential". But I
also said Smith is more than capable of leading a team without a QB, like
Arizona.@PhoenixActually, Steve Young would have ended
up like Max Hall if it wasn't for my 49ers dynasty. He was given the
chance to develop under a legend and did so."The Buccaneers
selected University of Miami quarterback Vinny Testaverde first overall in the
1987 NFL Draft because Young was deemed a bust, and he was traded to the San
Francisco 49ers on April 24, 1987, to serve as a backup to Joe Montana."
Kaepernick is at best a notch better than Tebow at this point in his career.
Smith is a proven winner and is attractive to many teams in the NFL if SF
decides to bench him.
I'm not a big Alex Smith fan, but i do think he is getting a raw deal if he
is benched. That is how it works though in the NFL. @Uteology "it was injury
that cost him his job not performance." Unfortunately that is how it usually
happens. Look at Drew Bledsoe for the Patriots, injured and then we found Tom
Brady. Poor Bledsoe again with the cowboys played ok and injuries led to the
insertion of Romo. So, it usually is injuries that lead to permanent changes
because until they are injured you can't see what the backup is capable of.
I for one think this decision is too hasty. The grass isn't always greener.
QB is the toughest position to play and now that Smith has been given a shot it
is evident that he is more than capable. The 49ers have a great defense and a
great running game in Gore. Stick with Smith as he gives you the best chance to
win this season. After that if you think it is time to make a switch trade Smith
or have a qb battle in the offseason.
Kapernick/9ers loses the game without the two defensive pick-six touchdowns
Sunday. Lets not forget.No doubt Kapernick is a thrill to watch and
clearly a far superior athlete to Smith. Capable of more throws and can get
yards and out of trouble with his feet.Alex Smith is less dynamic
but the results are a proven commodity..not just a hope.This will be
interesting to watch what happens. Harbaugh is clearly tempted by
the explosive nature of what Kapernick brings but lets be realistic here..this
kid is young and he is not going to be this good every week and bring the
consistency the team has been enjoying. There will be some growing pains but in
the end he could be the better final product.
Done. Just like the Utes.
I'm a BYU fan who is also a big Alex Smith fan.He will land on his
feet with another team if things don't work out in SF. He is already
a successful starter in the NFL and that's a club with few members. The silly back and forth between some BYU and Utah fans is sad and
Uteology"Your" 49ers dynasty would have ended with Montana
if not for Steve Young and many other former BYU players.Much like
the Utes, the 49ers can attribute much of their success to former BYU players.
@DuckyGive it a rest. You've beat the dead horse. Repeating the
same thing over and over and over and over . . . . doesn't make it true. I
think you've convinced yourself beyond a shadow of a doubt. Way to go!
@ernieHey ernie do you know what say's a lot more than your
opinion, or mine for that matter? Harbaugh's.He is
the one that has found smith lacking and inferior, he is the one making the
change. he is the one that matters here. I do enjoy how much this hurts the
pride of utah "fans" like yourself but my pleasure in your angst
doesn't matter to harbaugh, smith, or kaepernick. All that matters there is
that harbaugh has measured the talent of the 2 and smith appears to have come up
lacking. You'll just have to learn to deal with it.
@uteologySo all harbaugh is doing is trying to insert a 2nd round
pick over a #1 pick because he drafted the 2nd round pick? Please he is going
with the better talent. As far as smith getting benched becauuse of the injury
is concerned, it is obvious that Harbaugh was looking for the opportunity to
make the switch and that was his opportunity.If smith was a stud
this would not be happening, sorry to burst your delusions. He is ok,
that's it, ok. You can whine about it, you can argue with me,you can claim
harbaugh is just protecting a 2nd round pick which is really ridiculous if you
think about it, or you can just admit that harbaugh is making the change because
in his opinion kaepernick is a superior talent. Smith was worse than
a bust before harbaugh resurrected his career and it is obvious harbaugh knows
what smith is. If it makes you bitter well that's to bad I guess.
Doesn't change the fact that it appears smith is out and kaepernick is in
and that overall number ones don't get benched for 2nd rounders unless they
aren't as good.
Well friends let me see if I can bridge the gap between the alleged "byu
fans" (against alex smith) and the obviously ute fans (pro AS). Alex Smith
is probably a Trent Dilfer esque quarterback. He is good enough. Not the guy
you want leading the team on a game winning drive, but he might be good enough
to win a super bowl if the running game and defense are dominating enough. CK
probably has the tools to be something better than a Trent Dilfer esque qb. With
how dominating the niners' defense has been, its probably too early to say
whether he is an obvious choice. In the niners' current situation pretty
much any qb that doesn't throw 3 interceptions a game is going to look
duckhunter sure seems to care a lot for a guy who claims he doesn't
care.Is Smith a hall of famer? No. Is he good? Yes.Smith has beaten
out a Superbowl winning QB, a #1 overall pick and a Heisman Trophy winning QB.
All those guys had their shot and didn't prove to be better than Smith.The says a lot more than some hunter's opinion from Highland.
BYE, BYE ALEX!!!!! BUST!!!
@DuckhunterThe difference is that Kaepernick has a vastly higher
upside than Smith and Harbaugh is wisely seeing the time has come to make the
transition to the better talent. --------That's
funny Since Harbaugh didn't take Smith out because of performance, it was
because of injury. Harbaugh moved up to draft to get Kaepernick,
it's his guy and the future QB. I think Smith will be traded or cut and CK
will lead the team next year. Alex took us to the NFC title game
and is the safer bet to do the same this year. I can't see CK doing the
same this year.We'll find out on Wed if Harbaugh agree with you
and in 6 weeks if it was the correct choice.Regardless, Alex has
done more in the last 7 years then any BYU QB since Steve Young, so I'm not
sure why you're here.
@motorbikeThat's one game, for that matter he had one good
quarter, the rest of the game was so so on his part. Look he has done a good job
with what Harbaugh has asked him to do. Harbaugh is very good at using players
properly in my opinion, but Smith is not a great talent or a great qb. His qb
rating is based on how efficient he has been in a scaled down and simplified
offense. He's done a good job, not great, just good. If he was what many of
you wish he was Harbaugh would not be doing this, Kaepernick is a 2nd round
draft pick afterall and Smith was the number one overall pick. @uteologyI agree, running game and defense, no different than it
has been the last 2 seasons. The difference is that Kaepernick has a vastly
higher upside than Smith and Harbaugh is wisely seeing the time has come to make
the transition to the better talent. Hey I'm not the guy
benching Smith, Harbaugh is. He is the guy making the call and my guess is if it
was turned around most of you would be praising it.
1. If the 49ers have any shot at the Super Bowl this year, it is with Smith.
2. Give teams a chance to get film on kaepernick, and he will start to
struggle. 3. He went up against a bears d that didn't know what hit
them, Gruden himself said he'd never seen some of he plays that the 49ers
were running, and that was followed by a game against the worst defense in the
league in terms of total yards, the Saints are 28th in scoring defense. Max Hall
could have lit them up.
@DuckhunterHe was not able to perform until Harbaugh came along and
inserted him in a ball control offense which minimized his opportunities to make
mistakes. The running game and defense are what won SF games. He just
didn't screw it up.------------Steve Young was a
bust until he joined my 9er dynasty. So what's your point?The
running game and defense is what won for us last two week, not CK's QB
BlueHusky:Brian Johnson was the QB of Utah when they beat Bama.
@Duckhunter"He was not able to perform until Harbaugh came along
and inserted him in a ball control offense which minimized his opportunities to
make mistakes. The running game and defense are what won SF games. He just
didn't screw it up."I'm guessing the entire Saints
organization would disagree with you - among others. I sure don't remember
the running backs or defense winning that huge game for the niners.
@ahmyersYou took the words right out of my mouth ... a player losing
his starting position due to a concussion sets a terrible precedence.
Concussions are already bad enough in the NFL, but this kind of thing will only
encourage players to hide them.@DuckhunterI'm not
going to completely disagree with your take on Smith because I do think he has
his limitations (not the strongest of all arms) ... however, I believe
you're selling him short. All you have to do is look at what he did last
year and look at the QB rankings this year ... Smith is #5 and is only 1.5
percentage points behind the leader - Aaron Rodgers. The only other players
ahead of him are #2 Brady, #3 Peyton Manning and #4 RG3._________Bottom line ... San Fran would've lost last week without 2 TDs from their
defense, and if Kap becomes the fulltime starter I guarantee San Fran will drop
some games they shouldn't and will end up underachieving this year. If that
happens, it's time for Smith to walk away and let San Fran figure it out on
@qwestySmith is a great role model, I'll give him all the
credit in the world for his character, but that isn't the point. His
TALENT, or lack of, is the point. If he was all you claim then Harbaugh would
not be replacing him with Kaepernick. You don't replace #1 overall draft
picks in their prime unless they aren't as good as billed. Smith could
continue to be an adequate qb that manages the game decently but he is not going
to win games with his arm or play, he lacks the talent to do so and that is why
he is being replaced. I understand the desire of utah "fans"
to have him be more, you want to stick it to the BYU fans that have rightfully
labeled him as a overall #1 bust. Sorry but it appears that will never happen
and it is a neutral source, Harbaugh, that has decided this argument. He only
cares about putting the best talent on the field and Smith does not appear to be
the best talent. Sorry it simply is what it is despite the lamentations of utah
@gdog, uteology and all utah fansSmith is no more than adequate. He
has been running an extremely basic offense that has allowed him to be a game
manager and not relied on him to win games, all they asked of him the last year
and a half was to not lose games. He has done a good job at that but his talent
is average. And gdog my comment about Kaepernick was about his
overall talent, sorry I didn't clarify that. He is vastly more talented
than Smith, it isn't even close. He is bigger, has a much better arm, is
faster, runs better, the only thing I don't know because it is hard to tell
watching them is if he is as smart or smarter than Smith. Teams will
not be clamoring for Smith, he will get some interest but his talent is what it
is and that is average at best. He was not able to perform until Harbaugh came
along and inserted him in a ball control offense which minimized his
opportunities to make mistakes. The running game and defense are what won SF
games. He just didn't screw it up.
Alex Smith has been the most successful NFL quarterback with Utah collegiate
ties in recent memory. He has represented the state well, with a lot of class.
We wish him well and continued success in football and in life. JSB has made a
good point regarding the concussion.
I think it's unfortunate if this goes the way it's looking that it
seems to relay the message to players: "If you get a concussion, you're
better off pretending you're fine because you might lose your job..."
There are 18 teams that would love Smith as their QB. He throws at a high
percentage and controls the game well. He will be fine. Kap is good.
@bluehuskyIt was Brian Johnson who destroyed Alabama. Alex Smith
was the starting QB when the Utes first busted into the BCS in the Fiesta Bowl.
He destroyed Pitt in that game and was the number one pick in the draft that
year.Just thought you might want to know who you were talking
about.As far as Smith goes, there aren't very many players with
his level of character in the NFL. He has done nothing to deserve losing his
starting position. He has been one of the top ten QB's in the league the
last two years. He was one pass attempt away from breaking the NFL's
completion percentage just a few weeks ago. Hopefully Alex will find a team
that appreciates his talent.I know it's hard for some byu fans
to accept Alex - they were mad that he was the first pick in the draft and the
first QB to bust the BCS. It's too ad you can't see past your own
jealousy to realize the guy is talented as well as a great role model in a
league that has very few.
Amazing to see BYU fans dissing Smith. He was a great college QB and not bad at
SF. Give him credit - most great college QB's never start in the pros. I
hate the Utes too. But I don't hate their guys. I wish Alex Smith the best
and Kaepernick too. He was awesome at Nevada. And I enjoyed watching Smith
My biggest concern about Smith is the concussion. He may be wise to get out
before he is more injured. It's a vicious game and a lot of players have
had their lives ruined by their injuries--especially concussions.
As a 49er fan I think Smith's tenure at San Fran is over. Three years ago
I would have agreed with Duckhunter that Smith is a good NFL backup QB. But
over the last two years AS has proven he can lead an NFL team. Most
9er fans will get their wish and CKap will be the QB going forward. I
don't think CKap, even with our great defense, will lead us to the SB this
year but I think he has the skill set to carry the team.Look for
Alex Smith to be starting in Arizona next year.BTW Ducky, if CKap
was "vastly superior" than Alex Smith then please explain why he needed
an injury to beat to overtake the starting position. The fact is our defense
and running game rule, and as of today CKap only has potential.
@ Duckhunter"The fact that Harbaugh wanted Manning" is not
because he had little faith in Alex, it's that we are talking about Peyton
Manning. Harbaugh wants to win any way he can. Smith has been really good the
last two years going 22-6 as the starter counting the playoffs. Now Harbaugh is
going with raw talent in Keapernick. It doesn't mean Smith is weak. He
overcame nearly being lynched in San Francisco, and despite never having any
stability around him with all the coaches and coordinators, Smith never lost his
belief in himself. I applaud his toughness.I think the same of John
Beck. He could shine if put into the right situation. Some guys never get the
Smith has always been under appreciated in San Franciso. He cmae from a spread
attack at Utah, was thrown to the wolves in his early years in SF running a pro
set with an terrible Niners organization and coaching staff. Smith had some
injuries, was presecuted by the fans and media, and had 6 coordinators and three
head coaches in 7 years. Finally he got a good coach in Harbaugh and went 13-3
running a new offense yet again last year. He did that with no training camp
because of the late lockout resolve. Smith took the Niners to the NFC Title
game, and by no fault of his own, watched Kyle Williams two fumbles cost the
Niners a Super Bowl appearance. Alex played great in last years playoffs and won
a shootout (putting up points and numbers) against Drew Brees and the Saints.
This year, Alex was 6-2 as the starter, but Harbaugh is going with the young
talent and cheap contract of Colin Keapernick. Alex and his contract migh tbe
traded. Don't forget that Smith was offered the starting job elsewhere but
he has always been loyal to a team that never had his back.
Smith proved he cannot beat the Giants......I say stay with Kappy and let him
develop! He is already just as good if not better than Smitty? Smith should
get out his resume....KC needs a good QB!
I suppose I should defer to Duckhunter who, as a BYU fan, has a lot more
experience following backup NFL QB's than I ever will. That said, Alex
Smith has a higher average QB rating in 2012 than Kaepernick has as his all-time
best, a better command of the offense than Kaepernick, and he led the niners to
within one dropped pass of going to the Super Bowl. I highly doubt Kaepernick
will take them that far, but I guess we shall see.Here's
what's going to happen: They're going to go with Kaepernick the rest
of the way, then halfway through their first playoff game when they're
losing, they'll insert Smith. He won't be able to pull it off and SF
will exit the playoffs early, blaming Smith all the way. He will get traded to
the Cardinals in the offseason and QB them to a 2-0 record against SF because he
knows their offense better than they do. The Niners will go 8-8 next season
I really like Smith, but that Kaepernick can play. He has a lot of zip on the
ball, he can air it out, and he can run. He's had a couple of good games.
I think the classy thing to do is keep Smith the starter and work Kaepernick in.
This way you can squeeze all the juice out of Smith without pushing Kaepernick
too hard and injuring him early in his career. Let him work it in and take the
spot. Both are doing well now, but Kaepernick is physically superior to Smith
right now, and its obvious.
No one should be surprised by this as even at his best he has only been ok. Yes
I know he has had a few good games, but week in and week out he has been no
better than average, and for most of his career he has been pretty bad. I know
utah "fans" have spent the last year proclaiming he was on his way to
greatness but nothing about his talent, or performance, has ever lead me to
believe that. The fact Harbaugh wanted Manning last offseason showed how little
confidence he has in Smith and this has simply confirmed it. He may become a
backup somewhere else but his extremely brief time as a starter has come to an
end barring an injury to the vastly superior Kaepernick.