fenderTherein lies the difference of opinion. Apparenly THIS
offensive coordinator did NOT want first and foremost the better passer.
Whether that originated with Bronco (Riley was his man) and he just designed the
offense that, theoretically, best suited Riley, or whether he went back to the
offense that he himself ran, is a topic for debate.But you my friend
have taken a complex situation, analyzed one aspect of it, through one game, and
not a representative one at that, and have declared scientific fact. You may or
may not have arrived at the right conclusion but your argument was and is
flawed.If I have failed to communicate clearly, then let me attempt
again. I want, have wanted and continue to want, a pass early / pass often
offense. I don't always get what I want. But it was too easy to predict
that Lark, and the rest of the team, would shine against an inferior opponent.
I feel that unabashed Bronco / Doman / Riley bashing is inappropriate for fans
of this particular university, and supporting it on such a narrow and imbalanced
sample is disingenuous at best.Sorry if I have failed to make that
YGradYour scenario is too complicated and thus flawed. What any OC
wants out of a QB is first and foremost the ability to throw the football
(Football 101). Lark showed the ability to scramble when the pocket broke down
and in fact is a faster athlete than Nelson. Beyond that I have no idea what it
is you're trying to argue here and not sure you do either.
CalJacWell defended statement. However, I did not fail to see what
I failed to say. Give Lark 2.3 seconds instead of 4 seconds and the
fundamentals start to fall apart.fenderYour scenario is
too simple and thus flawed. Take both sprinters and enter them into the
hurdles, dynamic changes. When one qb has better passing skills and one has
better scrambling skills, and scrambling is what is required of your passing
qb...The problem lies in the fact that when, beyond scrambling,
necessitated by problems on the offensive line, the offensive strategy involves
intentionally running the qb 10 times a game, on top of the scrambles, your
gonna use up qbs like tissue.Building an offense around Riley's
abilities was a mistake, but I don't think it is a capital crime.
This game against a weak opponent showed us a few things:1. Lark is not as
bad as the coaches (Bronco) seem to think he is (as evidenced by their
reluctance to let him play).2. Lark is a better passer. However, I
don't think you can draw the conclusion that he is a better overall QB or
better at leading the team to victory than a healthy Nelson without seeing how
Lark does against equally tough opponents that Nelson has faced. Sorry. The
coaches have not given Lark that opportunity so you really can't make that
conclusion.3. The O-line is still pretty weak.4. The weakest link of
the defense all year has been the secondary, especially against the deep
ball.I would like to see Lark start against SDSU to see how he fares
against a much tougher opponent. But sadly, it ain't gonna happen.
YourmomRational? No. If I have a sprinter who runs a 10 flat hundred
and I choose to enter him in the competition instead of a guy who runs a 9.6,
then I should anticipate that my odds of winning the competition(s) will drop.
Lark demonstrated QB skills that are clearly lacking in Nelson's game. You
yourself admit that. Ergo, it's fair to assume that over the course of a
season, all else being equal, that BYU's record would be better.
The goal at BYU is the same as the church. Preach the gospel. Bronco is doing
that and the huge exposure this year cannot be underestimated.
RE: yourmomgoestocollegeYou get a "like" simply for having
the best moniker of all-time.
Lark showed that he was fundamentally (footwork, velocity, accuracy on both long
and short throws) 10x the QB "gritty" Nelson has ever been. Lark showed
basic QB abilities that would have translated into success against any of the
other opponents this season. I've no doubt had he started and gotten the
reps this year, we'd have at least three more wins. It was just so awesome
and refreshing to see crisp throws that hit receivers in the chest pass after
pass, and tight accurate spirals on the deep balls that have been lacking this
year vis a vis Nelson's wobbly ducks begging to be pick-6's time after
time. Lark is all class in the patience and maturity department for putting up
with the short, undeserved end of the stick he received this year. Bronco, with
his post-game remarks, and actions and demeanor all year, I think showed a basic
disrespect for the the program & game of football this year. I simply
don't understand this unhealthy unnatural bromance with Nelson, at the
expense of BYU's success. That isn't being loyal--its shirking your
duties to the program's health.
Denial no. Rational, yes. Not arguing who is the better "pure" QB, just
making the point that Nelson had some great games against really bad teams. Now
Lark has had one, yet fans want to anoint him as the one that coulda, shoulda,
and woulda led us to a perfect season and BCS bowl. It's too bad he
didn't get the chance to prove himself over an extended period of time, but
to speculate based on what ifs and hypotheticals and make rash judgements
regarding "what could have been" proves fruitless.
Y Grad / Y Dad...what you fail to see or mention is that while the competition
was not 1st rate, the reason why Lark seemed to have more time than Nelson is
that he was throwing on-time with good footwork, and looking off the defense,
something Nelson rarely does. That's why Nelson gets picked and sacked so
much. A QB can really help his line & receivers look good by getting rid of
the ball on time.
Lark was successful because he has good fundamentals (footwork), a strong arm
and he threw on time. These are things that escape Nelson. While he performance
was against a weak NMS team, his throws were accurate and on time and would have
been completed against any NCAA team. Lark's performance proves what a
horrible OC Doman is and how poorly BYU is at evaluating QB's. I think we
just witnessed the final nail in Doman's BYU coaching coffin. It proved how
incompetant he is as a QB coach and OC. Holmoe...the handwriting is on the wall,
do the thing!
Seriously, folks, please, please, please set aside your bitterness and
preconceived notions for just a moment. We acknowledge, but nobody
attacks with this kind of venom, that the offensive line is not where it needs
to be. Hasn't been for two years. Hmmmm, the last two years...So PATs get blocked, or the snap doesn't get crisply to the holder, but
the kicker takes all the blame. QB has has time to throw tonight, so he looks
like solid gold, but you subject him to the pass rush we've faced all
season long, and it's a different story. Far different story. Now if you want to get down to debating whether we really need to run as much
as we thought we needed to the last two years, that is an educated debate that
just about everybody else disagreed with Lavel, but I remember him saying at the
time all he had for linemen was fat, slow returned missionaries and pass
blocking was the only thing he thought they could do reasonably consistently.
If you don't have consistent, good blocking, you don't
have consistent success. That's where the discussion needs to start.
James did a great job. It was fun to watch.Bronco has placed BYU in
8 or 9 consecutive bowl games, has a higher win % than any other coach at BYU,
cleaned up a huge mess in the program, and continues to keep it clean. I am not
a big BYU fan, but I like their ideals. I am a James fan and have been since he
played at Pine View. I hope he gets to play again, but can't believe you
want to get rid of a coach like Bronco. I am serious, keep Bronco and play
@Fender, you are absolutely positively correct sir !!!
Y Grad/Dad and YourmomOf course no one knows what BYU's record
with Lark would actually be, but you two are in some kind of denial. What we
saw tonight is exactly what some of us have been talking about since watching
Lark in spring and fall camp the last several years: a guy who looks comfortable
in the pocket, makes a read, looks off a safety and delivers a ball on time,
whether it's 10 yds or 50 yds down the field.Lark's
performance tonight should put to rest any continuing argument that Nelson was a
better choice as BYU's QB.
@Y Grad/Dad - points b & c, kind of what I was trying to say, you just said
it more succictintly. I see no reason why our fan base can draw the conclusion
that BYU would be 10-1 or 11-0 with Lark based on a great performance against
one of the worst teams in college football.
Y grad- I respect your opinion, but Lark threw six td passes with just one week
taking the starting reps and very little game experience. Riley probably would
have had a good game too, but he has been taking the starting reps for two
years, big difference.
I feel great for Lark, one game and in the BYU record books.
Please, folks, don't ruin Lark's wonderful game by over-reaching your
own vicious agendas. A) If anything, this game should remind you
exactly why Bronco went for two in Boise. PATs are no longer a given. B) Lark ended up with a great game. But the start was ominous. Especially
against New Mexico State. C) He SHOULD have bad a good game against
New Mexico State. Munns should have had a good game against New Mexico State.
A healthy Riley would have.
@yourmomgoestocollege, couldn't disagree with you more. It wasn't just
Larks play today it was Nelsons poor play all year. We all can see that Lark is
10 times the QB as Nelson no matter what way you try to measure it, Lark gives
the team a better chance to win period end of story. And we just have to move
forward and forget this year? I think not, maybe you can but most won't,
hard to forget how the coaching staff mismanaged the team ,the coaching has been
atrocious and that's being kind. You had one thing right, this year and
previous years,i.e. Heaps, Nelson etc have been a debacle.
Hey Notre dame if you win the national championship call and thank bronco
GoRed,That's right. Get a head start on the long nap you get to take
until the U plays another football game.To all the rest: James is a
beast! Always knew it. Always said it!
History and relationship got BYU to 7-5 and wasted talent on the bench that even
USC wanted. It was refreshing to see a qb throw it further than 40 yards and
hit a receiver in stride. To see some poise in the pocket. 8 different
receivers! Not mostly Hoffman. This was a gutter opponent for sure, but with no
starts and limited reps all season, he's still remarkably polished and did
what a starter should do to NMSU. I sincerely hope Lark signs a free agent
contract and has a starting job in the league in 3-4 years. He can be developed
and with some consistency show what he's capable of. In Bronco's own
words, he's not a good head coach and with some very obvious mistakes this
year, has a fan base losing significant belief and trust in his decision making.
He does some things well but evaluating talent based on grit has proven mediocre
Would Nelson have been more successful if would have had a better offensive
line? Probably. Would he have been able to throw a spiral, a long ball, an
accurate pass, make good decisions? Nope. BYU is no longer Quarback U. but
Please people. Just simmer down. We all saw what Riley Nelson did against
Idaho. Surely a healthy Nelson has a similar performance against one of the 5
worst teams in college football. I'm not debating that Lark has the better
arm, better accuracy, etc, but you can't use NMST as the barometer.
Nothing against Lark - really happy he had a good game - but this game and this
team can not be used to evaluate and draw conclusions about Lark and whether or
not he would have had more success against some of the better teams BYU played
this year. The bowl game will be a better test (yes, I want Lark to start in
the bowl game), but only slightly. And if he has another good game, it will
just be an off-season of what-ifs and what could-have-beens, and we will never
know the answers to those questions. It's all a moot point now. We just
have to move forward, and forget this year's debacle.
Great job Lark. Spaseba bolshoi!! Atleechna! Notre Dame, Utah, Boise State,
Oregon State and SJSU are giving thanks you were planted on the bench instead of
hitting wide open receivers in stride where only they could have caught the
I listened to the post game show. Mendenhall's comments showed nothing but
arrogance and a severe lack of reason. He has already stated that Nelson will
be the starter if he's healthy. I have lost all respect and confidence in
Bronco Mendenhall as a head coach. I think the rest of the nation would feel
the same. It's safe to say, no team will be knocking at his door this off
I never had a doubt.
Lark starts every game this year and we're in a BCS bowl.Maybe
the BCS championship game.
James Lark proved what all of us who were objective about the OB play knew, Lark
should have been the starter all along. He's definitely is pro material and
of course should be starting in the bowl game although the way he's been
treated during his time at BYU who can be sure. I hope you true BYU fans take a
long look are your coaching staff and ask, why in the world would you let a
talent like James Lark sit on the bench and put on the field the QB you did? Are
you not qualified to evaluate football talent or is it something personal? Oh
what might have been.
Heading into this game every analyst said the same thing: BYU can open up its
play book because Lark has the arm strength to make all the throws. That's
as opposed to Riley who cannot make those throws. Then remember that Lark
was relegated to third string because Taysom's style of play was closer to
Riley's. Talk about adding insult to injury!The most gifted athlete
rode the bench all year, even as the offense floundered. Now it's up
to Tom Holmoe to decide whether this madness will continue next season.
How about that huge crowd? ... must have been over a thousand people in the
stadium! Well ... maybe not that many ... however, if you include the players
... maybe close to a thousand.
C'mon people, this was against a team that hasn't beaten a FBS school
this year (their only win was against Sacramento State... even Idaho beat New
Mexico State). Sure, Lark looked good today (expect for almost every pass
thrown down field), but let's not get ahead of ourselves here.Even Jordan Wynn could have looked like Joe Montana against that Aggie team.
Glad that Lark was able to play well. Congrats. For BYU overall, beating the
worst teams in the nation mean next to nothing.
... and Utah State gets the last laugh.
Yep, Lark should have been the starter this year and probably last year. For
all Nelson's grit, determination, and loyalty, he should have been rewarded
with situational plays, i.e. inserted for certain wildcat run plays, fake field
goals, etc.Coaching judgement needs to be a factor in determining
changes. Hope they can somehow land Andy Reid.
If Bronco starts Nelson in the bowl game, Bronco will show he is not fit to be a
coach. How about the going for two against BSU when one point would put them in
overtime. I do not want to start but Bronco you failed as a coach to stay with
Grit and no Pick-6 Nelson. Lark is Pro materail and you lost that for him going
with Nelson. We can only imagine what if with Lark as the starting QB. He
makes you think of the BYU QB's of the past even playing against one of the
worst 1A teams. Lark showed grit and guts with a good pass rush by NMS. How
about that Bronco/ Doman finish the season with a real winner in Lark not Pick-6
Ok I know this was only NMST, but still, Lark actually looked like a starting
BYU QB. Accurate passes, some nice deep balls to stretch the defense, he really
should have been starting these last two years. With the majority of the
practice reps and more game experience, makes me wonder what could have been.
The thing I like the most- zero turnovers!
Sure, it was against NM State but Lark consistently hit receivers in stride, in
the hands and in the end zone. He is a real quarterback, not somebody's man
I think they have found their QB. Too bad it's for only 2 games. This is
what happens when you have an inexperienced QB coach and offensive coordinator.
Too bad. Good for Lark.
This season is what happens when you are blindly committed to one guy all season
and he gets hurt it shows everybody what a bad coach you are