In all fairness, can any of the "get over it crowd" honstly say that, if
Mr Matheson had lost by 800 votes, they would just roll over and get over it?
The election is verified. Mia Love lost if she and the Republican's want
to pay the cost to review so be it. They can pay for a court order and pay
reasonable costs to search. The people of Salt Lake County should not pay for
any of this nonsense.
It's not who votes that counts...It's who counts the votes...
"It very, very easy for the Democrats to use voter fraud". I am curious
why it isn't easy for republicans to use voter fraud. I am going to guess
it is because the republicans are so morally pure that they would never do such
a thing. For all of you who believe that I have this great deal on
some bridge in Brooklyn that Santa Claus and I own together.
Those cases were the Democrats won (in Minnesota, Washington), I agree that was
problematic. And the party in control of that state made sure their candidate
won. It smelled like a rotten fish. Maybe the R's in Utah want payback or
something but it still would smell like a rotten fish. Whether it is a Red
wrapper or a Blue wrapper matters not, a stinky fish is a stinky finish.
In Washington State, Christine Gregoire lost the election, the first recount,
but because she did a hand recount the second time and "discovered"
ballots that weren't included elsewhere, she managed to pull a win, and
won. Voter fraud works best in elections where the election comes
down to just a few hundred vote difference. You can't defraud an election
that isn't close.
Salt Lake County has had several problems with doing unfair or illegal things
with elections, so it is appropriate to verify that votes are counted honestly.
As a table judge at the poles, I have some concerns about this election and when
an election is that close, the truth does matter. It is not sour grapes, but
the responsibility of the county to be completely transparent and truthful about
the election. After all we the voters are the bosses, not the Democratic or
"it is very, very easy for the Democrats to use voter fraud"...Re-written: "it was very, very easy for Utah Republican politicians to
gerrymmander boundaries so that many of us (who are Republican) voted for Jim
Matheson".And the same applied in states where the Democrats had
a big majority.
"Lose gracefully" - "show a touch of class"Republicans are so determined not to be labeled a bad loser that we make it
very, very easy for the Democrats to use voter fraud. This is a subject I have
pursued and proven with hard facts many times. The massive voter fraud that
stole the presidential election is founded with more proof than necessary to
prove in court. We as Americans have now become disenfranchised
because we are trained to be polite, good sports and to just SHUT OUR MOUTHS
rather than stop voter fraud.I watched a computer expert give expert
testimony about being hired to steal elections and testify that it was common.
But voter fraud are dirty words so there is nothing to stop it now. We will pay
a steep price in the future.
Regarding nrajr's comment:If we wait until the vote-counting to try
to "assure fair play" and "the protection of our freedoms" then
the battle is already lost.I don't think that we can just leave
it to the politicians to figure it out; in too many cases they are the very ones
who initiate and propagate the problems that exist. Too many of them get elected
and then promptly forget who they are working for in favor of advancing their
agendas and those of the power brokers who constantly pull their strings."We the people" must make choices about what it is that we
demand of our representatives and our government, and then make our voices
plainly heard. This can only happen as we hold our government accountable for
their actions and policies.One huge problem is that the majority of
those who vote do it without giving it much thought. In my county (Weber) 97.23
percent of those who voted in the November General election cast straight party
votes. I wager that it is about the same statewide. In my mind, this is a very
alarming trend of blindly and thoughtlessly following along.
Didn't we learn anything from Florida? Reviewing things often opens things
up to even more partisan games and chances for fraud? It's
over and if somehow, some way this election gets overturned, it won't look
good for the R's who again are complete control of the political apparatus.
Any decision in this regard would have to be looked at skeptically...
I live in a Blue State (Washington). We saw the governors race stolen in 2008.
Democrats "discovered" new ballots nine time in unsecured locations. We
say Al Franken steel a US Senate seat in 2008. We have seen other, lower profile
races, stolen in Washington State.We have all mail in balloting here
in Washington. Any (union) postal employee could sneak ballots into the system
days after the dead line.We need secure elections:We
need election day, not election month.We need proof of citizenship in
order to register to vote.We need photo ID at polling places.We need
purple fingers after we voted so people cannot go from polling place to polling
place to polling place.Democrats require these things when they
observe elections in 3rd world countries. They just will not do it here.I wonder why.
I agree with all those who argue that it's the fairness and honesty in the
voting process that counts - it's not sour grapes to want to make sure that
all who voted, regardless of for whom they voted, have their vote counted
correctly. That's the American way and those Utahns who want to verify
election results are certainly owed "due process", not being put-down as
This was a very close race. You had 951 provisional and 640 absentee ballots
that were discarded, and only 768 votes separated the two candidates. It is not
about sour grapes, it is making sure everything was done fairly. I don't
believe that anything was done on purpose here that would be raise questions.
Utah runs a very good election process. I do know that there were reports in
some of the swing states of voters casting votes for Romney and the machine cast
the vote for Obama. Also, Democrats in Ohio bused in Somali's and gave them
Democratic slates and told them to vote for Democrats. I am glad I live in a
state that lets the process work and makes sure everything is done correctly.
To JayTee 6:11 a.m. Nov. 24, 2012A real conservative like Love who
wants to get government out of our hair and our pockets is painted as an
extremist, and not fitting for our carefully guarded status quo politics.-------------------------Love is not a "real
conservative". She's a far right fringe-dweller. She is a extremist
and, because of her unwillingness to disclose on her website the specifics of
ANYTHING she would want to do, showed that she was not fit to be elected to the
House of Representatives. Matheson is the real conservative, and someone who
speaks for ALL the people of Utah, not just those on the far right fringes like
Love would do. The people of Utah are far better served by
Love's creating havoc in Saratoga Springs and not the US House of
Reresentaties. They are far better off by having Jim Matheson repreenting them
in the House of Representatives.
It is worth the review since that was such a small win for Matheson, this time.
The County Clerk is in a Democrat county and Utah County is very Republican.
Both should appreciate the recount to make sure it was fair. If that happened
nationally, it might make a difference too.
It is laughable that Democrats are encouraging Republicans to "get over it
and that the Dem state chair compares Love/Matheson to the Hatch race. Hatch
won by a huge majority. Go ahead and recount the Hatch contest.But
with Matheson/Love it is very close. Every vote should be looked at closely to
ensure an accurate representation of the overall vote. Democrats
struggle in this state because of the national Democratic party. Utah Democrats
are much more moderate and are good representatives. Utah will be well
represented by Matheson in Congress as long as he doesn't vote for
extremist like Pelosi to be House Speaker (the day will come when Democrats
control the House again...but I hope it isn't during Obama's
If the verdict was on the oth hand, I am sure the demonauts woould be sreemig
bloody murder. I have never witnessed anything so rediculous as the demonauts
diry poliitcal tricks. I believe there should be a full accounting.
Two words: You lostThree more words: Get over it
Dems have plenty of problems with their outlook. We all do. However, one of
the things said about the Republicans in a recent article is absolutely
correct:Republicans will go to any lengths to find something on
which to blame their loss so they can avoid doing the one thing which they fear
most---change.The Republican party, even in the state of Utah, needs
to change if it is going to remain a viable political party.
If there is anything we learned from Florida 2000, its that all the votes need
to be authenticated and counted. Let the voters determine who won not the
courts or politicians. I am no fan of Mia Love but this is about democracy.
Each time a close election is reviewed we learn how to make elections more
honest and how to advise voters. So let's study the the ballots to see why
they were discarded.
What's this world coming to when, despite the best efforts of the political
hacks, people persist in thinking for themselves?Every year party numbers
shrink and the group that self-identifies as independent grows among those of
all political beliefs. Instead of spending more tax money on ridiculous
efforts to overturn the voters' wishes, perhaps the pols could just hold
their breath until they turn blue like the petulant children they are.
It's in the interest of both parties to count the votes, and account for
any questionable ballots. This is definitely a "squeaker" with two
capable people in the running. It will come down to a few votes..... The old
adage "..every vote counts" is true. I wonder how many registered voters
of each party were "too busy to vote", and have now come to regret their
sloth...... Being a citizen, a registered voter, and a contributing member of
society is a responsibility and too often, the numbers have shown, people do not
take it seriously....
Apparently having only 75 % of the Congressional Representation is not adequate
for the Utah Republican Party when it has ALL statewide offices and over 80 %
control of the state Senate and Representatives.
Why do they need a court order to look at discarded ballots?
The citizens of Utah SAY they don't believe in career politicians, but
there's plenty of evidence to the contrary. Many of them also say they
want less government and more transparency in government, yet they vote for
someone who's too often an Obama-Pelosi-Reid supporter and never saw a
government program he didn't want to fund or save. Jim has done some good
things, but he's clearly pulled the wool over the eyes of the majority. A
real conservative like Love who wants to get government out of our hair and our
pockets is painted as an extremist, and not fitting for our carefully guarded
status quo politics.
I strongly disagree with most of the sentiments expressed. Who won and who lost
is not the issue of the article. The right of citizens to review and assure fair
play is the point. Even if you or I are ready to "move on", the
protection of our freedoms and our way of government require that the process
always be open to review to those who are not prepared accept the reported
results. Don't take honesty for granted! It is important that we are ever
vigilant in scrutinizing our election process. Lack of transparency is an open
door to the unscrupulous and dishonest to rob us of our rights as citizens to
elect our representation.
I feel that this might have been the last time that I will ever vote again. I
have lost all trust in the system this time around. No I do not have sour grapes
because we lost I have sour grapes because I think that there is so much voter
fraud out there and so why bother to vote next time. What has happened people to
this great Nation of ours so many people do not even care anymore to be honest,
They are so messed up in their thinking. I really wished that we had term limits
and think that this would change things some.I also feel that those who are
serving us back there in Washington should do it for only cost of living this
would change things for the better I think this way we would get those who
really do want to do the right thing for us and this Nation not because it is
for their gain.
My Republican Party did all it could to unseat a good man, Jim Matheson. I came
from Republican stock and vote Republican except when Matheson is on the ballot.
People like me will vote for him no matter how the lines are drawn. Being newer to the area you might not know that Mrs. Love.
I find myself wondering, "Who is paying for this long, drawn-out
fiasco?" I doubt that is those who are raising the ruckus.It
must be really frustrating for the Republican-controlled legislative committee
who expended so much time and effort, and so very many of our tax dollars, in
the process of gerrymandering the voting districts realignment in order to quash
the possibility that any of the Democrats might beat the odds and win an elected
office.After all, it's not like Utah politics is not already so
dangerously lopsided that this needed to happen. It is never a healthy
situation, either in business or politics, when any one group achieves, and then
exerts, monopolistic control for its own benefit. It almost always turns out
badly, and we in this state are perilously out-of-balance.So here we
are, watching the monopolists throwing their tantrum, hoping it will end soon so
we can move on. By the way, don't assume that I'm a ranting-raving
Democrat- I'm not. I'm just a guy who pays scant attention to party
affiliation who studies issues and candidates, then votes his conscience.
Oh my goodness. Let it go. You lost. Take your loss like a grown up.
Sour grapes!!The republicans have shown this election that they are sore losers!
It is time to man/woman (if there are any women republicans?) (-:
With the race that close, I would think the democrats would not want there to be
a cloud of suspicion about uncounted ballots. If all of the discarded ballots
were rechecked, Matheson will probably win anyway, why not check them out and
remove all doubt. Then no one could claim there was any cheating. If the outcome
was the other way, the Democrats would have a perfect right to recheck these
There were observers at all the counts, right? The GOP had their own
watchers.So, where's the beef?If only Mia had sorted out the
story with Lee Benson she'd have had those extra 800 votes. All she had to
do was explain her backstory.
If we lived in a Blue State and the Republican was perhaps being messed over, I
would have more sympathy. But in reality, we live in the REDDEST state in the
country. The R's control the state, they gerrymandered the districts etc.
I can't imagine there was a conspiracy to throw away ballots of those who
voted for Love. This is beginning to sound like sour grapes. And if this
election is somehow overturned, how is this going to look?