BYU football report card: Cougars come out flat, don't have enough in the end against SJSU

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  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 6:55 p.m.

    Grade F for the coaches.

    I have to wonder what Bronco has against Lark? After watching another game lost by terrible QB play, I have to wonder if Bronco hates Lark or something?

  • Amorphous Saint George, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 4:43 p.m.

    To all So. Utah posters:
    Thanks for supporting the story I posted earlier that you never got to see regarding Lark asking for a release unless he got a shot then getting a shot, for a minute, right up until the deadline to transfer. Then, suddenly, in fact on that exact day, his snaps were pulled and he has been penalized ever since.
    Looks like DN had enough of you saying the same thing that they had to start posting it.
    I really like Riley Nelson. He is an exemplary young man and a great example of leadership and toughness. I hope that the decisions of this weak minded coaching staff have not done permanent damage to his health. They have, however, perhaps done irreversible damage to Lark's future. I hope James shows them all how short sighted and juvenile their behavior has been and goes to a combine, the athlete that he is, and makes a pro team.
    It wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened.

  • Dr Rush Saint George, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    @Amorphous, Totally agree, there is no logical reason not to play Lark, Nelson is about as bad as it gets in D1 football. That leads me to believe that the decision being make about Lark are personal. If your a coach making on field decisions based on personal feelings you should not be coaching, period. The people that know about how James Lark has been treated behind the scenes are outraged, what a injustice to him, his team mates and the fans. I tired to be a kind as possible let's see if the DN will post this.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    When Doman and Bronco named Heaps the starter out of spring ball a few years back, I predicted on here it wouldn't work, because Heaps was physically and mentally unprepared for D1 football. I was truly surprised that they passed on Lark at that time, because he seemed to have all the tools and just needed to knock the rust off his game from the mission.

    When the Heaps bandwagon went off the track, and Doman and Bronco made Nelson their guy, once again it was pretty obvious based on both spring ball and fall camp that he didn't have a D1 quality arm and that Lark did. Lark was clearly better at the time and I said so.

    Now the Nelson experiment has completely failed. I predicted that Doman and Bronco would never give Lark a shot and would ride Nelson into the ground, rather than play Lark and have it be demonstrated just how wrong they were. This is one time I truly hate to be proven right. James, you clearly deserved better than this.

  • Southern Fan st. george, ut
    Nov. 18, 2012 2:52 p.m.

    Lark was lied to by the coaches when he ask to be released. He has been treated unfairly. I like Riley, but how are the fans seeing things that Doman isn't? Doman is self absorbed and needs a ticket out, Or at least go back to the box, its irritating to watch him on the sidelines.

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    Nov. 18, 2012 2:34 p.m.

    Its almost as if the coaching staff knows Lark will look good so they don't play him because it will show how bad they are as coaches. BYU has a below average football team.

  • Lavell Walnut Creek, Calif
    Nov. 18, 2012 2:33 p.m.

    If I have to hear Bronco say we lost due to "execution" one more time I'm going to go buy Utah season tickets. Enough of the political talk. And we all can't agree more with the Riley/Lark comments above. No one has ever doubted Nelson's grit and effort but he's a JC qb at best. Wasting a talent like Lark, or at the very least not giving him a chance to prove whether he's good or not, is unreal to me. Not sure why Bronco has this lovefest with Riley (i.e. Godfather, adopted son,etc.) but someone in that organization needs to explain it to the fans that buy season tics and support the Cougar Club.

  • gcg123 HURRICANE, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    The BYU offense is so horrendous that it is both painful and boring to watch them play. The only exciting part about the team is the defense. It used to be that BYU would easily get 6 touchdowns in a game. Now it takes at least three or four games to score that many (excluding Idaho). Does anyone really think ESPN will want to continue broadcasting such low grade football? Thank goodness the defense has salvaged what would otherwise be one of the worst seasons on record for BYU. Tom and Bronco need to get a new OC and if they aren't bright enough to understand that then they should be replaced also.

  • ubig PAYSON, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 1:12 p.m.

    Watch Bronco on the sidelines; about as much emotion as a can of sardines. A healthy Riley is an average running back and a poor QB. An injured Riley, although gutsy, should never be allowed to play. If Bronco's crush on Riley is like a father to a son, I would never, never ever want to potentially put my son in a wheel chair with a bad back. Bronco needs to evaluate his offensive coordinator, nay, just let him go now and let Lark play out the remainder of the year; what's to lose. Then, BYU, please give us back our Saturday afternoon games so I can pack up the grandkids and have them be able to watch a game at a reasonable time and day of the week. I don't think this is what the majority of the fans want from BYU's football program.

  • Amorphous Saint George, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 11:58 a.m.

    For some reason Dnews will not post my documenting of the handling of James Lark by the coaching staff. I guess they have no way of veryfying the validity of what I posted. For that reason, I will give up telling the story but suffice it to say, James has humbly played the hand that has been underhandedly dealt him.
    Honesty and integrity are cards he holds, despite treatment to the contrary of those two qualitiies by those who promised him otherwise. All he ever wanted was a shot. Unbelievable.

  • Amorphous Saint George, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    Earlier in the season I commented that Riley maybe needed to swallow is pride and step down. I was 100% wrong. Riley is a warrior and will never do that, nor should he. The coaching staff have expected him to play. They should have coached and not acted as anxious spectators, ordering him to sit and heal.
    My humble apologies for asserting Riley's pride, or anything about his character was the issue.

  • BYUfaninWashSt Everett, WA
    Nov. 18, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    @RockOn - I totally agree with your assessment and would like to revise my D- grade for coaching to an F grade for coaching. Don't know what I was thinking to give them a D-. Just being charitable, I guess.

  • AZJazzFan Gold Canyon, az
    Nov. 18, 2012 11:18 a.m.

    A player should not be playing with a back injury, period. Even if he was doing well having a bad back and admitting he is not 100% he should not be playing. That he is not playing well just adds to the mystery of why he was playing. Like Southpride56 said above I don't think we should blame Riley, he would never give up, this falls on the coaches.
    Yes, the best play was the onsides kick, made possible by the worst play I saw any player make, the SJS guy actually ducked to get out of the way of the football! It made a good laugh!

  • jimmy5804 Draper, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 11:11 a.m.

    the thing that really bothers me about Bronco is that he seems to have no clue overall. If you listen to his pre- and post-game interviews over the years, they're all full of "I don't know what happened", "I thought we were prepared", "I hope we're ready"... he just never seems to have a grip on what's going on.

  • golsen7 Bonneville, ID
    Nov. 18, 2012 10:16 a.m.

    I wondered if things mike go this way this year because at the beginning Riley said the coaches want him to play safer and he said that is not how he plays. If you are the coach and a player does not listen to you, you got to pull him to get his attention. Football is not just about being tough, it is also about being smart.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 10:05 a.m.

    Coaching -- F
    1. Game film tells you that Fales is fallible if pressured. Coach B doesn't apply pressure until 3 TDs. Only rushes 3 up the middle into 5 blockers. Lots of time. Then applies pressure at the edges and shuts Fales out. Failure to learn from game film. Grade F.
    2. Riley is still Riley and fails to hit open receivers, can't throw long, can't hit bubble screens yet coach B doesn't adjust. Exactly how poorly must Riley play to bench him? Apparently 4 trips to the red zone and nothing to show isn't enough. Bad game coaching. Grade F.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 8:49 a.m.

    Good assessment. I'd only add a grade for the coaches. D-. They failed to get their team up for the game. Doman failed to have a good game plan. Both coaches failed to change an ineffectual quarterback. If the back up QBs are so poor that Nelson gives them the best chance to win, well, I find that hard to believe. Bronco has to get over his "man crush" and move on.

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    Nov. 18, 2012 8:45 a.m.

    why don't you grade the coaches? Brandon gets a benifit of the doubt D. Here we go again playing with a hurt QB, we didn't learn our lesson against Utah or BSU. play Lark! in fact I was suprised to see Nelson start the second half during the Idaho game last week. we lost valuable experience for Lark or other QB back ups. Bench Nelson the rest of the season so he can go into January healthy. We really don't know what we have till players are played in a game. if we loose with Lark its nothing new but playing Lark will be a nice reward for a player that has been in the system for several years.

  • OmahaCoug Omaha, NE
    Nov. 18, 2012 8:26 a.m.

    Right on with "one has to wonder if he [Riley] provided the best option under center late in the game." I was thinking the same thing when passes were flying every which way, mostly out of reach of the receivers. Sure, we all admire his resolve and grit, but Riley's effectiveness really drops when he's hurting on every throw.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 8:16 a.m.

    Riley tried to gut it out? I believe he was gutted out while being sacked too many times. He was playing hurt!

  • OmahaCoug Omaha, NE
    Nov. 18, 2012 8:14 a.m.

    I think a flawlessly executed onside kick deserves mention for the special teams. But, other than that, the poor grades are deserved.

  • Cougar Alumni Beaver, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 8:08 a.m.

    Need 5 things;

    More Idaho games!

    Doman fired for injuring a future QB leaving the Cougs with a wounded warrior.

    New T-shirt; Band of Aid

    Fire Holmoe, get out of Indy!

    Head coach with football number one on his list.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 1:58 a.m.

    That's a generous grade.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 18, 2012 1:57 a.m.

    The defense probably deserves a better grade. The secondary was awful the first half, but the defense rebounded really well the 2nd half, completely shutting SJSU down . Defense played good enough to win.

    Offense consistently shoots themselves in the foot when they get close to scoring. CRITICAL mental mistakes cost them. 400 + yards and only 14 points to show for it? That is just sad. Nelson is a competitor and made some brilliant plays, but he is just not a good passer. He'll throw an accurate pass about 2 out of 5 times. Hoffman played great. Without him this year BYU has a losing season.

    I actually thought the O-line pass blocked decent enough but their run blocking was atrocious.

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 1:53 a.m.

    I am very disappointed in Bronco...and the team, they all really kind of stunk it up, why? Nelson was awful, even an average passer would have given BYU the win. And the Oline got whipped from beginning to end, are they really that bad? or poorly prepared. This team looked far more fired up against Idaho last week, than against pretty good SJSU team this week. where were their heads? And I guess I have to ask, if Nelson is all beat up and throwing wildly all over the field, why would Bronco not play Lark. Lark probably would have won this game because he is a better passer...and he's not all beat up.

  • flynn is the coolest San Diego, CA
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:47 a.m.

    Coaching: D-

    You could have avoided the 4th and desperate plays if you could have played to get into doable field goal range in the 4th quarter alone. I realize our kicking is poor, but there's a decent chance we make 2/3 from

  • BYUfaninWashSt Everett, WA
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:39 a.m.

    Coaching D-

  • southpride56 Saint George, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:27 a.m.

    Worthless waste of time watching that one. Riley stinks same ol story I don't blame him anymore now I blame the coaches for letting this go on so long

  • golsen7 Bonneville, ID
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:26 a.m.

    The coaches need to answer for how long they have stayed with Riley.