Advocates for poor wary of restoring food tax

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  • Fern RL LAYTON, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    It sounds like a bureaucratic thing to me. Collecting taxes costs money, too. Why promise a revolving door? Eliminate the food tax altogether. Eliminate red tape. Raise taxes on other items. What about luxury tax? It is too bad that Amendment A passed, or the legislature would have more funds to work with.

  • John Galt Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    DN Subscriber:
    "Here's a suggestion for "tho poor" among us, except those who are actually physically unable to work- get a job. If you cannot get a job, at least ponder why you voted for Obama who is killing jobs and punishing job creators and those who work."

    Here's a thought for you--there are many 'poor' that would love to work, but can't find a job. Did you ever think of that? My brother lost his job at age 60, and has been looking for over a year. He would love to do anything that will allow him to support his family, but because of his age, jobs are hard to find. And no, he did not vote for Obama. Will you provide him a job?

    "Republicans dont relate closely with the needs of the lower middle class."

    Hmm. I am a Republican, but am against a food tax--for the very reason that the poor will pay a higher percentage of their income on it. It is a very regressive tax. Food has a demand inelasticity--meaning no matter the cost, the demand remains--and the poor have to pay.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 3:57 p.m.

    How petulant, sally.

    Truthseeker, you are talking about the "flater" tax that Utah put in place a little while back. The one that gave tax cuts to the rich, while some in the middle had their taxes increased. That one? Yeah it's working great. Now the folks on the hill want to increase the tax on food to pay for those rich people's tax breaks. Working great, can't you tell?

    People can't see it, can they, Truthseeker? Cut the taxes on the rich in this state, run into revenue problems, so raise the tax on food. And then blame the poor for creating the problem in the first place. Right, DN Subscriber?

    What are we thinking, people? No talk about raising the taxes back up to where they were on the upper income, just talk about raising taxes on food so the rich can keep their tax cuts. What are we thinking.

    Wake up people! The rich are not going to make things better for you. They do not care about you. They will not create jobs for you. Do not worship at their feet!

  • utah cornhusker NORFOLK, NE
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:51 p.m.

    The state I live in has no food tax. I don't think there should be a tax on something that is a neccessity in life.

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:04 p.m.

    @DN subscriber. If Ward Royalance from Utah taxpayers association, and Senator Valentine are FOR increasing taxes, you can be sure that the lower middle class and poor will take it on the chin.

  • LDS Mom American Fork, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    We are middle class and with the rise in food and gas prices we have started living from pay check to pay check. What happens when the government drives the middle class to the poor house. WE DON'T QUALIFY FOR ANY HELP! You're killing us financially. When a family adds up all of the taxes they pay (income, property, sales, phone, utilities etc.) It is close if not more then a third of your income already. ENOUGH. And just what is the money for? Play money for the government? ENOUGH!

  • DVD Taylorsville, 00
    Nov. 18, 2012 7:48 a.m.

    @DN Subscriber, the really poor in America, including some of the working poor are now at starvation levels like much of the rest of the world. "If you cannot get a job" is often because of many reasons, not just disability, but also legal discrimination now plays a role.

    Again, society can be judged by its treatment of the vulnerable. It wouldn't be bad to truly place yourself in their shoes and look at what's available and what's impossible from that position. You'd be surprised at the now-locked doors present and assumptions made that work against improving your situation.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 18, 2012 4:51 a.m.

    "wait until after January 1, 2013 when Obama's "Taxamegeddon" raises all sorts of taxes on everyone."

    Are you referring to spending cuts and Tax increases which will go into affect.

    You mean the one that the majority of Republicans voted for including Paul Ryan who praised the legislation?

    But, it's all Obama's fault, right?

  • nrajr SANDY, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 3:28 a.m.

    New taxes in the weak economic climate are a bad idea. Taxing food and the necessities of life is not only a bad idea, it is just plain WRONG! There needs to be a limit on how far we let government stick their fingers into our pockets. I believe life's essentials should be out of the government's taxing authority reach, otherwise we are, in essence, being taxed for being alive. Lawmakers need to have the courage to trim the budget and cut non-essential programs and services when revenues are down because of a poor economy. Isn't that what most of us have had to do?

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:50 a.m.

    DN Subscriber,
    The rebated will not help the poor. It will cause more to go to food banks, churches or on food stamps.

    People that are working but are struggling to make it, pay for mortgage or rent, utilities and then car gas or transportation and then if they have anything left, they go to the store for food. Again raising the food sales tax is not a good idea and the rebate will not solve the problem it creates.

    If an additional tax is needed, taxing all natural resources taken from Utah's ground and trees should be a start. Care should be used to not hurt Utah's economy. No tax increase would be the best.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 11:03 p.m.

    Enough already with the "for the poor" excuse and isolated anecdotal sob stories. Most American "poor" actually have a pretty enviable living standard, compared to the really "poor" in most countries. Liberals have expanded the definition so that people well above the poverty level are considered "poor" and nearly half of all Americans pay no income tax,

    The other half are getting darn tired of working their butts off so that "the poor" get loads of freebies. Here's a suggestion for "tho poor" among us, except those who are actually physically unable to work- get a job. If you cannot get a job, at least ponder why you voted for Obama who is killing jobs and punishing job creators and those who work.

    If anyone thinks that times are tough now, and that taxes on food or anything else are a huge imposition or causing hardship, just wait until after January 1, 2013 when Obama's "Taxamegeddon" raises all sorts of taxes on everyone.

    If food is to be taxed at all (and there are good arguments for and against) then the tax should be paid by everyone who buys it, and NEVER any sort of rebate or tax credit.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 9:16 p.m.

    Not a good ideas. You tell the person that only has $3 when they go to the store than it is OK, they won't be able to buy a can of chicken because of the tax increase but they will get $80 at the end of the year.

    What is done is done. Perhaps it wasn't a great idea to lower the tax on food, but it was done and the worst time to raise it is when people are still struggling and will likely be for the next four years until we get a better president.

    Do they want more people on food stamps?

    Really bad idea. I said that already.

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 8:46 p.m.

    When the Utah House of Representative Speaker begins to sound like a Democrat, but nevertheless using conservative business principles of efficiency, it sounds paradoxically reassuring. Perhaps Democrats and Republicans can learn from this.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 7:09 p.m.

    Re Adaliade

    Everyone who works for money already IS a tax payer. They pay sales tax, property tax either directly or via the rent they pay.

  • Adalaide OREM, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 5:20 p.m.

    There shouldn't be tax on food and it certainly shouldn't be raised. Our income tax laws are complicated enough without adding more. On top of that, a refund once a year won't help pay the rent every month, keep food on the table, keep the house heated and keep everyone clothed year round. It is absurd to tax necessities that people can't live without. I'm an advocate of tax reform and EVERYONE becoming tax payers, not tax leeches but this can only hurt innocent children. Food should never be taxed.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 4:35 p.m.

    Its unfortunate, but its predictable that the food tax is the first place Utah legislators would look. Republicans dont relate closely with the needs of the lower middle class. If Utah wants different, they need to vote differently. Even if half the legislature were Democrats, a proposal like this wouldn't stand a chance.

  • justired Fillmore, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    just leave the thing alone. when it was lowered on food before,it was a compromise, with an agreement to finish removing the sales tax from food at a later date. Sometimes, people need to do what they promise.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 17, 2012 2:39 p.m.

    Thirty-one states have NO sales tax on grocery store food. If Utah reinstates its sales tax on food it will most likely have the 2nd highest tax on food in the U.S. A food sales tax will hit struggling families the hardest. No, foodstamps can't/doesn't make up for that.

    Does UT have a revenue problem? How is that flat tax working out?

  • sally Kearns, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 2:19 p.m.

    Just remove the tax. Don't pay any tax rebates to anyone. Those who are on food stamps don't pay food tax. So why are you giving them a rebate with their lower income. If they are going to the food pantry they are not paying taxes on that food. Same thing, why are you offering a tax rebate. Increasing the tax will encourage the use of food stamps and food pantry. Then the person can receive a rebate and not pay any taxes. The middle class will be picking up the tab again. Those of us who donate to the food bank have to pay taxes on the food we donate. I will just stop donating.

  • mark99 LINDON, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 2:12 p.m.

    When was the first time or the last time that Senator Valentine had empty shelves and scant resources to purchase the necessities for children to eat. This is a bad idea, any tax on food should be removed. Taxes on food, shelter and clothing are a burden to those on limited income.