It sounds like a bureaucratic thing to me. Collecting taxes costs money, too.
Why promise a revolving door? Eliminate the food tax altogether. Eliminate red
tape. Raise taxes on other items. What about luxury tax? It is too bad that
Amendment A passed, or the legislature would have more funds to work with.
DN Subscriber:"Here's a suggestion for "tho poor" among
us, except those who are actually physically unable to work- get a job. If you
cannot get a job, at least ponder why you voted for Obama who is killing jobs
and punishing job creators and those who work."Here's a
thought for you--there are many 'poor' that would love to work, but
can't find a job. Did you ever think of that? My brother lost his job at
age 60, and has been looking for over a year. He would love to do anything that
will allow him to support his family, but because of his age, jobs are hard to
find. And no, he did not vote for Obama. Will you provide him a job?cjb:"Republicans dont relate closely with the needs of the lower
middle class."Hmm. I am a Republican, but am against a food
tax--for the very reason that the poor will pay a higher percentage of their
income on it. It is a very regressive tax. Food has a demand
inelasticity--meaning no matter the cost, the demand remains--and the poor have
How petulant, sally. Truthseeker, you are talking about the
"flater" tax that Utah put in place a little while back. The one that
gave tax cuts to the rich, while some in the middle had their taxes increased.
That one? Yeah it's working great. Now the folks on the hill want to
increase the tax on food to pay for those rich people's tax breaks. Working
great, can't you tell? People can't see it, can they,
Truthseeker? Cut the taxes on the rich in this state, run into revenue problems,
so raise the tax on food. And then blame the poor for creating the problem in
the first place. Right, DN Subscriber? What are we thinking, people?
No talk about raising the taxes back up to where they were on the upper income,
just talk about raising taxes on food so the rich can keep their tax cuts. What
are we thinking. Wake up people! The rich are not going to make
things better for you. They do not care about you. They will not create jobs for
you. Do not worship at their feet!
The state I live in has no food tax. I don't think there should be a tax
on something that is a neccessity in life.
@DN subscriber. If Ward Royalance from Utah taxpayers association, and Senator
Valentine are FOR increasing taxes, you can be sure that the lower middle class
and poor will take it on the chin.
We are middle class and with the rise in food and gas prices we have started
living from pay check to pay check. What happens when the government drives the
middle class to the poor house. WE DON'T QUALIFY FOR ANY HELP! You're
killing us financially. When a family adds up all of the taxes they pay (income,
property, sales, phone, utilities etc.) It is close if not more then a third of
your income already. ENOUGH. And just what is the money for? Play money for the
@DN Subscriber, the really poor in America, including some of the working poor
are now at starvation levels like much of the rest of the world. "If you
cannot get a job" is often because of many reasons, not just disability, but
also legal discrimination now plays a role. Again, society can be
judged by its treatment of the vulnerable. It wouldn't be bad to truly
place yourself in their shoes and look at what's available and what's
impossible from that position. You'd be surprised at the now-locked doors
present and assumptions made that work against improving your situation.
"wait until after January 1, 2013 when Obama's "Taxamegeddon"
raises all sorts of taxes on everyone."Are you referring to
spending cuts and Tax increases which will go into affect. You mean
the one that the majority of Republicans voted for including Paul Ryan who
praised the legislation?But, it's all Obama's fault,
New taxes in the weak economic climate are a bad idea. Taxing food and the
necessities of life is not only a bad idea, it is just plain WRONG! There needs
to be a limit on how far we let government stick their fingers into our
pockets. I believe life's essentials should be out of the government's
taxing authority reach, otherwise we are, in essence, being taxed for being
alive. Lawmakers need to have the courage to trim the budget and cut
non-essential programs and services when revenues are down because of a poor
economy. Isn't that what most of us have had to do?
DN Subscriber,The rebated will not help the poor. It will cause more to go
to food banks, churches or on food stamps. People that are working
but are struggling to make it, pay for mortgage or rent, utilities and then car
gas or transportation and then if they have anything left, they go to the store
for food. Again raising the food sales tax is not a good idea and the rebate
will not solve the problem it creates. If an additional tax is
needed, taxing all natural resources taken from Utah's ground and trees
should be a start. Care should be used to not hurt Utah's economy. No tax
increase would be the best.
Enough already with the "for the poor" excuse and isolated anecdotal sob
stories. Most American "poor" actually have a pretty enviable living
standard, compared to the really "poor" in most countries. Liberals
have expanded the definition so that people well above the poverty level are
considered "poor" and nearly half of all Americans pay no income tax,The other half are getting darn tired of working their butts off so that
"the poor" get loads of freebies. Here's a suggestion for "tho
poor" among us, except those who are actually physically unable to work- get
a job. If you cannot get a job, at least ponder why you voted for Obama who is
killing jobs and punishing job creators and those who work.If anyone
thinks that times are tough now, and that taxes on food or anything else are a
huge imposition or causing hardship, just wait until after January 1, 2013 when
Obama's "Taxamegeddon" raises all sorts of taxes on everyone.If food is to be taxed at all (and there are good arguments for and
against) then the tax should be paid by everyone who buys it, and NEVER any sort
of rebate or tax credit.
Not a good ideas. You tell the person that only has $3 when they go to the store
than it is OK, they won't be able to buy a can of chicken because of the
tax increase but they will get $80 at the end of the year. What is
done is done. Perhaps it wasn't a great idea to lower the tax on food, but
it was done and the worst time to raise it is when people are still struggling
and will likely be for the next four years until we get a better president.Do they want more people on food stamps?Really bad idea. I
said that already.
When the Utah House of Representative Speaker begins to sound like a Democrat,
but nevertheless using conservative business principles of efficiency, it sounds
paradoxically reassuring. Perhaps Democrats and Republicans can learn from this.
Re AdaliadeEveryone who works for money already IS a tax payer. They
pay sales tax, property tax either directly or via the rent they pay.
There shouldn't be tax on food and it certainly shouldn't be raised.
Our income tax laws are complicated enough without adding more. On top of that,
a refund once a year won't help pay the rent every month, keep food on the
table, keep the house heated and keep everyone clothed year round. It is absurd
to tax necessities that people can't live without. I'm an advocate of
tax reform and EVERYONE becoming tax payers, not tax leeches but this can only
hurt innocent children. Food should never be taxed.
Its unfortunate, but its predictable that the food tax is the first place Utah
legislators would look. Republicans dont relate closely with the needs of the
lower middle class. If Utah wants different, they need to vote differently. Even
if half the legislature were Democrats, a proposal like this wouldn't stand
just leave the thing alone. when it was lowered on food before,it was a
compromise, with an agreement to finish removing the sales tax from food at a
later date. Sometimes, people need to do what they promise.
Thirty-one states have NO sales tax on grocery store food. If Utah reinstates
its sales tax on food it will most likely have the 2nd highest tax on food in
the U.S. A food sales tax will hit struggling families the hardest. No,
foodstamps can't/doesn't make up for that. Does UT have
a revenue problem? How is that flat tax working out?
Just remove the tax. Don't pay any tax rebates to anyone. Those who are on
food stamps don't pay food tax. So why are you giving them a rebate with
their lower income. If they are going to the food pantry they are not paying
taxes on that food. Same thing, why are you offering a tax rebate. Increasing
the tax will encourage the use of food stamps and food pantry. Then the person
can receive a rebate and not pay any taxes. The middle class will be picking up
the tab again. Those of us who donate to the food bank have to pay taxes on the
food we donate. I will just stop donating.
When was the first time or the last time that Senator Valentine had empty
shelves and scant resources to purchase the necessities for children to eat.
This is a bad idea, any tax on food should be removed. Taxes on food, shelter
and clothing are a burden to those on limited income.