UHSAA proposes big changes for some schools in first 2013-'15 realignment draft

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  • 2A South Fan Central, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    The UHSAA messed up the last realignment when they moved 3A Manti, Emery, & Richfield back to 2A. All they needed to do on the last realignment was to move the bigger 3A schools into 4A by lowering the 4A lower level. Then all of the St.George area schools & Cedar City area schools would all be 4A and in the same region.

  • Me, Myself and I The Promised Land, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 8:33 a.m.

    Where the UHSAA fails is trying to please everyone. No matter how they slice things up someone is going to cry unfair. To all of you who have the "answer" I say be careful what you wish for. The only way I see the UHSAA ever making things as close to even(which they shouldn't worry about) is to use system based on percentage bigger/smaller rather than just enrollment numbers. This would help lessen the discrepancies between the bottom schools in a classification to the top schools. For instance instead of saying 3A will be 600 to 1200 students you would have 3A be +1 above the 2A and a maximum of 67% above that number. This would eliminate schools being even close to twice other schools within the same classification. Still there would be watered down competition in some classifications and people who's schools still aren't winning will want things changed.

  • Rural sport fan DUCHESNE, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 4:03 p.m.

    Miner, there are a few problems with your idea. The big one is that most small schools don't play football, so you would end up with more teams in each classification, which penalizes the smaller schools even more. The second is that if you just divide by numbers, you lose some great rivalries and create some travel issues that many SLC schools want to avoid.

  • Just my opinion Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 9:11 a.m.


    Try Region 7 in 4A.

    I know some don't think the UHSAA shouldn't go just by numbers, but at the same time they say they should take all politics out of it. You can't have it both ways. So I lean towards just the numbers and then the schools and districts can work to fix there own numbers if they don't like it.

    I've gone solely by the numbers, and then went North to South to make the regions. This seems to have worked pretty good (of course not everyone will like it), but as long as they did it this way every year everyone would know what to expect and could probably live with it knowing it could change with the numbers every two years.

  • OneManWolfPack St George, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 7:17 p.m.

    To have Canyon View in Region 9 is absolutely a joke! All regions will be based solely on the almighty dollar!! Craig Seegmiller is an absolute joke! Same guy who voted for East to remain in the playoffs. Cedar does just fine in Region 9.

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    Nov. 17, 2012 2:35 p.m.

    @joseywales- Actually, that area was never the area being considered for annexation, at least, not that I'm aware of. However, Wasatch did benefit from a soccer player from that area, and I think you are right about the athletes from the "big 3" I'm assuming you mean Football, Basketball and Wrestling right? I'm sure you mean baseball, but Wasatch will never be competitive in baseball, so we prefer to refer to Wrestling as one of our main sports. Anyway, I'm sure other schools have these same problems with high ESL numbers but gaining few athletes in those sports mentioned. At least I think that is what you were alluding to. 4A will be a very big challenge for sure, especially in football, but I know the kids are excited about it and are up for the challenge.

  • ktowner KANAB, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    wow, what a cluster. I am usually one to side with the uhsaa cause i understand what a hard job they got. Have to admit though, that they make it harder and harder to defend. They need to realize that no matter how many divisions they make, it is impossible to please everyone and need to just take a stand and stick with it knowing its gonna piss some people off. Two 3a divisions really? i agree with the posts above to move the bottom 2a schools down to 1a and a few of the smaller 3a to 2a and be done with it. As it is now 1a is a joke in football. there's really only 3 teams that will ever compete. duchesne, rich, and monticello is pretty much it. sure teams like altamont or diamond ranch will be ok once in a great while but its not very competitive at all.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 9:48 a.m.

    Too bad for Wasatch. If Wasatch County would have let Park City annex the area north of the Jordanelle, the area with the low income housing, then PC would have had those extra 75 kids and not Wasatch. The kicker of it is, there is not ONE athlete in that area as I have been told. So you get to pay for a 20 mile bus ride twice a day and you get your numbers bumped up to have to play 4A, and you don't even get an athlete to help out. Also building the new 200 unit low income housing in the north end of town you got movers from PC to Heber. Most likely with the same results. Increased numbers, no athletes. I know it's not all about athletics, but for the sake of this article, it is.

    I'm guessing that between these 2 projects and the new one near the Walmart, that you have increased your high school numbers by at least 150, and won't get one member on any of the big 3 boys sports. But maybe you will get a soccer player.

  • Miner Tooele, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 7:32 a.m.

    It is pretty simple fix if they woul do it.
    Take the total number of schools and divide it by 5 or 6.
    Then split it accordingly. Take all the politics out of it.
    The ratios are a joke! Ratios should really only matter for small schools but the only thing
    we care about is football. Ratios should work from the bottom up not the top down.
    But because of the politics we don't have equal numbers of teams in each classifications and equal regions.
    1A gets the shaft every year. We are the remainder and they set 1A up so Duchesne is always in 1A even if 2A has 20 teams and 1A has 36 - look at last realignment. It's all political not what's best for kids. It's whats best for select few who have a powerful voice.

  • Ironmomo Ogden, Utah
    Nov. 16, 2012 11:21 p.m.

    Once again the UHSSA demonstrates their ineptitude. Brad Smith is exactly right in this article. The BOT fails every time they realign schools to take into consideration the demographic makeups of the high schools. Student population should only be one consideration. Do they ever consider that a school with a similar population base to another school may be nowhere near as competitive in a major sport like football because of deficient family support, comparable family income, graduation rates etc? Inner city high schools are disadvantaged because the vast majority of the students can't afford to participate in sports. Their too busy helping to put food on the table of their families.
    Including the population base of alternative high schools only puts already troubled schools at a greater competitive disadvantage.

  • Stang08 Cedar City, Utah
    Nov. 16, 2012 11:00 p.m.

    MC isn't mentioned in the article. They are a 4A school and 4A is where they will stay. If MC moves to 5A then I think SV should also move. But it's not an issue since MC wasn't mentioned in the article.

  • Scott C Ephraim, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:55 p.m.

    I agree with everyone who would like to see the smaller 3 a schools go to 2a and smaller 2a go to 1a. The only idea that makes sense to me.

  • MantiCoug Manti, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 6:43 p.m.

    Scrappy Do has the best comment of all above. Why can't Delta, Emery, North Sanpete, Manti, etc just go to 2A and have the smaller 2A schools move to 1A in football? Schools like Manti or Delta shouldn't be classified with St George schools or schools like Spanish Fork. Completely different schools, no matter what their size is.

    Nov. 16, 2012 5:56 p.m.

    @ FB Fan #2- Manti, Delta, and Juab make that south region just as "legit" as the north. Manti and Morgan will probably be pre-ranked as the #1 and #2 teams.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    Just my opinion:

    You might want to check out your regions, I can't find Wasatch

  • small school fan Duchesne, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 3:34 p.m.

    1A football has the same issue as the watered down 3a and 2A. There are really only 5 teams in the 8 1A teams that will put over 20 kids in pads on a year to year basis. Bring the 4-6 lower 2A down to 1A, bring the lower 4-6 or 8 3A down to 2A, Move the lower 2-4 4A down to 3A, and make 3A a single division. The numbers make just as much sense as the proposed alignment, and make each category, especially the smaller ones, a more competitive division.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 2:04 p.m.

    I did find it hard to believe that the cedar city area schools would not want to be in a region with st George schools, seems silly, but it sounds like some folks from that area are thinking what I'm thinking

    They are about to make a mess of 3A

    Again if some of the more rural and small 3A schools need to go to 2A, then let them, but don't turn 3A into a confusing nether world for football

  • Prep Fan Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    I am a Cedar High fan. In football we took 2nd in Region 9 last year and 1st the year before. We can definatley play with and beat St George schools and love to do it. Leave Region 9 alone. We dont want to travel to North Sanpete to play basketball. We want region 9 schools. Leave us were we are.

  • FB Fan #2 Grantsville, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    3A in football is so watered down this year...and that's coming from a Grantsville athlete. How many schools are gonna be in the playoffs, there would be no first round, which i think is really stupid. Happy now Juab, Delta, and NS? Championships won't mean much anymore. Grantsville, Morgan, and Judge would be the most legit contenders in the 3A state, and they're all in the same region. 3A north is stacked compared to the south...

  • Sounds right.. Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 9:48 a.m.

    I also feel that the six classes for football is a good thing. The people opposed to it have never been a rural town when the other schools are twice the size of you, if you where in those shoes you would think differently. I am certain you will not hear any complaints from 2A and 3A schools involved with this. This has no impact on 5A and 4A so I do not know why you would even argue it. Not everything revolves around those two classifications.

  • Sounds right.. Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 8:08 a.m.

    ALA and summit academy would also compete in the smaller 3A in football. As far as the Alighnment goes and the first person that commented, i think adding the ALC count was a very good idea at least for smaller schools 3A and lower. For example Richfield was playing in 2A the last 2 years becaus ethey were throwing kids into that school that did not have to be counted for enrollment and now that they are counted they are bigger than Delta Juab and North Sanpete. now that Manti counts there's also they are bigger than Delta to. It's not fair that those small schools could put kids into those High Schools and not have them counted so the couldplay down a classification when other schools like emery, Delta, North Sanpete, and juab do not have that option but are all around the same size.

  • Eric F Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 7:36 a.m.

    "Region 9 representative Craig Seegmiller pointed out that Cedar and Canyon View had hoped to move into a different region for football than the rest of the St. George-area schools so they could better compete."

    I teach at Cedar High School and I have no idea who Craig Seegmiller is but I do know that our Football coaches have never once complained about competing with the St. George Schools. I would like to ask Mr. Seegmiller who from Cedar High he has talked to about us not being able to compete. Our football program had one down year in the last ten and all of the sudden this guy says we can't compete? Unbelievable, so much for having a representative from region 9 (St. George) that even cares about all of the schools in the region.

  • Just my opinion Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 12:37 a.m.

    3A & 3B (football only)


    Region 3A North
    Bear River, Stansbury, Tooele, Judge Memorial, Juan Deigo, Park City, Uintah

    Region 3A South
    Canyon View, Cedar City, Hurrican, Snow Canyon, Pine View, Dixie, Desert Hills


    Region 3B North
    Morgan, Grantsville, Union, Juab, Carbon

    Region 3B South
    Delta, North Sanpete, Manti, Emery, Richfield

    Another key issue the UHSAA says they look for is the ratio of the schools in each clasifications

    Below is what hey currently have vs my list above.

    Them - 1.52
    Mine - 1.54

    My region ratios
    Region 1 - 1.23
    Region 2 - 1.46
    Region 3 - 1.54
    Region 4 - 1.43

    Them - 1.40
    Mine - 1.41

    My region ratios
    Region 5 - 1.41
    Region 6 - 1.22
    Region 7 - 1.28
    Region 8 - 1.25

    3A (all sports)
    Them - 2.40
    Mine - 2.76

    Region 9 - 2.07
    Region 10 - 2.12
    Region 11 - 1.56
    Region 12 - 1.54

    3A (football)
    Them - 1.89
    Mine - 1.58

    3B (football)
    Them - 1.69
    Mine - 1.56

    The only one mine is higher is the 3A (all sports), but much lower within each region. Lots are lower then the UHSAA alignment.

  • Just my opinion Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 12:28 a.m.

    Based on the rules the UHSAA set up for alignment last time I think the following fit those rules and works.

    5A (4 regions with the same number of schools, and pretty good geographically)
    Region 1 - Mountain Crest, Weber, Freemont, Clearfield, Northridge, Syracuse, Layton
    Region 2 - Davis, Viewmont, West, Granger, Hunter, Taylorsville, Cottonwood
    Region 3 - West Jordan, Copper Hills, Herriman, Hillcrest, Brighton, Jordan, Alta
    Region 4 - Bingham, Riverton, Lone Peak, American Fork, Pleasant Grove, Lehi, West lake

    Region 5 - Sky View, Logan, Box Elder, Ben Lomond, Ogden, Bonniville, Roy
    Region 6 - Bountiful, Woods Cross, East, Highland, Cyprus, Skyline, Olympus
    Region 7 - Murray, Kearns, Corner Canyon, Wasatch, Timpanogos, Mountain View, Orem
    Region 8 - Timpview, Provo, Springville, Spanish Fork, Maple Mountain, Payson, Salam Hills

    3A (couldn't find any way to have 4 even regions with the geography of these schools, but balanced)
    Region 9 - Bear River, Morgan, Grantsville, Stansbury, Tooele
    Region 10 - Judge memorial, Juan Deigo, Park City, Union, Uintah
    Region 11 - Carbon, Juab, North Sanpete, Manti, Delta, Emery, Richfield
    Region 12 - Canyon View, Cedar City, Hurrican, Snow Canyon, Pine View, Dixie, Desert Hills


  • Just my opinion Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 12:19 a.m.

    What they don't tell you in this article is the the UHSAA has already gone away from some of the rules they just set last time to make this process faster, more even, and balanced. They said the wanted all the regions to have the same number of school in them. That was one of the things they made a really big point about. But if you look at this first draft they have the following.

    5A - 3 regions with 6 schools, and one with 7.
    4A - 2 regions with 7 schools, and 2 with 8.
    3A - 2 regions with 5 schools and 2 with 6.

    The big point they made about this at the time was to make the brackets for playoffs balance and even. So how is this going to work under this drams? 2A is the only classification that currently is show to have 4 even sized regions. 1A is ok because it will never have completely even regions with the number of small school all over the state.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 11:27 p.m.

    This 6 division deal is nonsense, just drop some of those rural 3A teams down to 2A and throw a couple of the smaller 2A teams to 1A. Splitting 3A as noted in the proposal is ludicrous, are we going to 10 or 12 teams in 3A and 15 teams in 3AA? Really?

    JD should petition to go to 4A, the only team out of that regional grouping that would make them break a sweat is Bear River.

    6 divisions in Utah is about 10 new high schools away... The way our state produces kids, we would not have to wait long

  • sky2k1 Provo, UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 10:46 p.m.

    I think 3A/3AA is all a joke. So how many playoff teams in the tournament? 8 total? If we're so worried about making 3A feel good, why don't we let all of 3AA make the playoffs too so they don't get their feelings hurt either?

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 9:15 p.m.

    On the issue of counting alternative students, how did this work out for Murray. It moved them up to 5A for a few years where they got crushed. Alternative students add little or nothing to a school's athletic program, let's be honest. And many of these alternative schools are near the schools in the lower socio-economic neighborhoods. Then it pushes these schools, who let's face this reality, generally have struggled in athletics, up a classification where they can get crushed in competition.

    As for Judge and Juan Diego and other private schools. Some states times their enrollment by 1.5 or 2.0 which is fair because they draw students from multiple boundaries. So in this case the UHSAA has this right--Juan Diego and Judge should compete in the higher 3A (or 3AA) division. For them to compete against a Carbon, Delta, Juab etc where those schools can only draw from a small community where these schools have the entire SL Valley and even beyond is not fairer. Sometimes you have to look beyond enrollment.