BYU fans are acting like Utah has no future in basketball. Look at the
recruiting comparison.Utah has a freshman class consisting of 92,
86, 86, 81, and 40 ratings. BYU's freshman class consists of ratings 83,
40, 40, 40 and another..... 40! Lets see what happens this season, I
bet cougar fans will stop talking by the end of the season.
SSmith, then like I said, you "surely" don't know Jordan. I do.
He's a competitor who is at home making his own name for himself and
instead of playing to live up to trolling rivals' fans expectations of him.
He could have played at plenty of better places than BYU. Get over it.
Utah BB has a proven record of 4 - 6 players leaving at the end of each season.
Don't be surprised if it happens again. Fans don't like playing teams
like Willamette, and neither do players.
StGtoSLCWhy do you think Jabari (a serious competitor) has BYU on
his final five list? He knows BYU will seriously compete with great talent (#16
Best Recruiting Class 2013).
StGtoSLCI'm surely sure of it. Any competitor would want to
compete. Why would any competitor want to play Utah's pre-season schedule?
SSmith, it's obvious you don't know Jordan or his goals or motivation.
Don't use words like "surely" when you have no clue.
DeepBlueI did notice one common opponent from Utah's 1944 and
2012 schedules, Idaho State, one of only two college teams Utah played during
the entire 1944 regular season. A precursor of things to come for
Utah in 2012?Only if 2012 indeed marks the end of the world ;)
What a shocker that we're being subjected to more selective rankings from
Uteology.After all is said and done; after all of the discussion;
after all of the hyperbole; here's the only thing that's relevant and
counts when it comes to rankings.Final National Rankings#1/#1 BYU 1984#5/#5 BYU 1996#4/#5 Utah 2004#2/#4 Utah
2008Bottom line: BYU 1984 impressed enough voters to be selected #1
UteologyTypical, frantic attempt by you to distort the argument by
dragging CONFERENCE opponents into the argument.Just like USC and
Oregon have any control over playing Utah in football, BYU doesn't have any
control over playing Portland and Pepperdine in basketball.As stated
in the accompanying article, Utah's OOC schedule was rated a "1" on
a scale of 1 to 10 (with 1 being the absolute worst), by ESPN. BYU's OOC
schedule was rated a "9".Utah's first opponent was so
far off the charts, the game won't even count in the RPI rankings.
UteologyIt's laughable that you trot out SOS rankings only when
it suits your biased, crimson-colored agenda.I've never once
seen you argue how ridiculously easy Utah's 2004 schedule was. Who exactly
did U beat during the regular season that made U "bcs worthy"???Don't just give us names, give us records and rankings.Just in case you've conveniently "forgotten", Utah fans whined
incessantly about the Utes deserving the opportunity to play for the 2004
national championship.The same ridiculous bowl system that denied
BYU the opportunity to prove itself against a more worthy 1984 bowl opponent,
gave U Pittsburgh in 2004.BYU fans have been campaigning for a
playoff since 1984. Utah fans briefly joined that campaign in 2004, then quickly
abandoned it as soon as the Utes were invited to the PAC 12.U have
NO CREDIBILITY when it comes to arguing the "fairness" of "backing
into a championship".
UteologyRewriting history again jealous one?After rising
to #1 in the polls in late November 1984, BYU's schedule and record were
heavily scrutinized by the national media, fans, and every poll voter for over a
month, along with every other legitimate contender.Yet, after a
month of the most intense scrutiny any contending national champion had ever
received, BYU was still selected the 1984 CONCENSUS NATIONAL CHAMPION by EVERY
major selecting organization of the day, including both national polls.Compared to Utah's 1944 NCAA basketball tournament winning schedule, BYU
1984 played a veritable who's who of college football elites.btw, BYU 1984, beat FOUR regular season opponents with winning records; Utah
2004 only beat THREE.Pot, see kettle.
mussingaroundCurrent Sagarin Rankings#31 BYU 2-0
(221)#152 Tenn St 0-2 (35)#189 Ga St 0-2 (7)#203 Utah 0-0
(0)As far as Sagarin is concerned, Utah might as well be scrimmaging
against East High School.------------You left off a few
more:#280 Pepperdine 0-2#258 Portland 0-1 It seems
you have 4 high school scrimmages on your conference schedule:It
seems our high school scrimmage still has us ranked higher than the 3 games
played by the teams in your conference.
@CougFaninTXComparing BYU's FB schedule to this pathetic BB schedule
is a joke. Even BYU's weak November schedule the last two year is miles
ahead of the Utes BB schedule.-----------Speaking of a
joke, can you tell us when was the last time a team with a #104 SOS who beat no
final ranked teams backed into a national title? Hint 1984.Last
year your SOS #90 which was on par with your 1984 team. The difference, unlike
the folks down south, Coach K did not proclaim they were playing for a
"National Championship" with such a pathetic schedule.
Loveridge is surely wishing he were in a blue and white jersey this year. He is
probably imagining what it would be like to be a contender for four full years.
Troy,You missed my point. Why dont you head back to the
Kosta FesenkoBYU fans aren't the ones trying to justify a
ridiculously weak OOC schedule as "needed" in order to rebuild the Utah
basketball program. Even the talking heads on the PAC net are so disgusted with
Utah's pre-season schedule that they won't even talk about it.
Current Sagarin Rankings#31 BYU 2-0 (221)#152 Tenn St 0-2
(35)#189 Ga St 0-2 (7)#203 Utah 0-0 (0)As far as Sagarin
is concerned, Utah might as well be scrimmaging against East High School.
I see all the BYU comments are getting many likes. Kind of sad that fans of a
team that constantly thumps their chest about how great they are feels the need
to come and troll articles about how bad the Utes are. When Utah
was doing things that you kids can only dream of, BYU was the furthest thing
from my mind. you ought to grow up.
I don't really care what krystkowiak's reasons are, it is still funny
to me. LOL!
scott,of course its a small step, but its one that ute fans are
looking forward to. whats delusional about that?
indycrimsonYes, I read the article, but it didn't answer the
question of how playing teams that are even more pathetic than the Utes is going
to prepare Utah to play real teams.Beating up on a bunch of high
school teams may help U gain confidence and feel better about yourself, but all
of that confidence will quickly be destroyed when the Utes are smoked the first
time they play a legitimate team and discover how hopelessly the Utes are
Kosta Fesenko"16 wins for this years team. 9-3 preseason, 7-11
in conference. Oh, and Delon Wright is going to be SICK when he plays here next
year. GREAT day to be a [DELUSIONAL] Ute! We are coming
back!"Even with their pathetically weak OOC schedule, the Utes
still don't have a chance of finishing with a winning record this season,
and even with a 14-16 record and a guaranteed loss in the opening round of the
PAC tourney, the Utes won't crack the Top 200 in RPI.If
that's the hill's definition of "back", you're welcome to
16 wins for this years team. 9-3 preseason, 7-11 in conference. Oh, and Delon
Wright is going to be SICK when he plays here next year. GREAT day
to be a Ute! We are coming back!
@ Chris B - "I think we'll be a middle Pac 12 team by the end of the
season - which is just fine with me."U are joking, right? Best
case scenario, Utes finish #11 instead of #12. Maybe U consider #11 the middle
of the PAC? But there's about a 90% chance the Utes finish dead last this
year.I sort of understand Coach K2's philosophy. I think
there's value in scheduling some of these high school teams to teach the
players how to win. But U also have to schedule at least 4 or 5 decent teams to
see how good you really are and what U have to work on.I'm not
talking about teams like Florida State, Notre Dame and Baylor - like BYU. But
at least schedule Utah State and Weber State to see how U match up with a real
college team before U play Arizona and UCLA.Comparing BYU's FB
schedule to this pathetic BB schedule is a joke. Even BYU's weak November
schedule the last two year is miles ahead of the Utes BB schedule.
Swoop,Did you read the article? Those little numbers at the bottom are
additional pages of data. Read them and all of your questions will be answered
and suppositions corrected.I look at this years schedule in the
following manner:1. You get better when you practice.2. Practicing
against an opponent who throws unknown "stuff" at you is better than
inter squad.3. Playing against a super good team, where you cannot
implement your offensive strategy, or work on specific needs, is worse.We have 10 new players. We may be much better than a D3 school like
Willamette...but may not be a OT better than Sac State? Time will tell!
Rebuilding a program that was mismanaged by Dr. Hill for 6 years now will take
time.Still glad to be a Ute. Wish Willamette would move to the WCC
to see how they fair against that "conference"???
We tried the "tough schedule to make us tough" thing. Remember the
mic-swallower Boylen bellowing "WE MADETHISSCHEDULE FOR
YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" at the football game at halftime?And how
did that work out?Let's try it coach K's way for now.
@phonixDeflection? I think I answered it with my first post. But
it seems your feelings were hurt by my second post. My bad!Utah's weak BB schedule is out of "necessity" since we are
rebuilding a program with young talent.BYU's weak Indy football
schedule is also out of "necessity" since your not Notre Dame.
UteologyNice try at deflecting, but BYU's football schedule two
years from now has NOTHING to do with Utah's pathetic OOC basketball
schedule THIS SEASON.
Well, more comments on this article than people who renewed their season
tickets. That it an accomplishment coach k. Go utes. All your fans are behind
@SwoopI know, the kids on the hill will immediately start whining
about BYU's football patsies, but just remember, BYU scheduled all of those
WAC teams out of necessity to fill an entire two-year, 12-games per season
schedule in just a couple of months.----------BYU 2014
schedule includes teams like:Middle Tennessee (Today 6-3) SOS 93UCF (8-2) 121Southern Miss (0-10) 55Hawaii (1-8) 49Houston
(4-6) 87Granted no one knows how good these teams will be in 2 years
but please stop arguing that the your schedule is only weak out of
"necessity". It's more because you're really not Notre Dame.
I'm less concerned about playing "a schedule full of patsies" than
being a patsy.After game one I already see the improvement in talent
from last year. Plus, Utah will get the chance during PAC-12 play to prove that
the program is on the correct path to rebuilding.Go UTES!!
Chris B. please don't make predictions for the Utes as it seems you are 95%
wrong on your predictions for BYU. I guess I could hope for your prediction to
be so wrong that the Utes finish in the Top of the Pac 12. I don't see how
playing so many bad teams prepare a young team to face the Pac 12 schedule.
Not a fan of the non conference schedule but I do see wher Coach Krystkowiak is
coming from with the schedule. It was nice to read at the end of the article
tha this will be the worst non conference schedule we Ute fans will see.
I'll be attending as many as the games as possible regardless of the
opponent and finally feel hopeful about the future. It's been a rough few
years for Utah basketball but things sure are looking up. Go Utes!!!
Yes we've been terrible.I'm impressed with the talent
Coach K has brought in. Loveridge could play in any league in the country and
there are several bigs back from Mormon life vacations.I think
we'll be a middle Pac 12 team by the end of the season - which is just fine
Coach Krys would get an A for honesty. Unfortunately for him, being candid is
When you play terrible teams, you become lazy and sloppy, because you don't
have to play your best to win. Where are they going to learn to execute? When
are they going to learn to out hustle? It just seems backwards to me.
The problem is,other schools,good schools...won't want to play the Utes
because it will bring down their RPI. Pac-12,is this what you signed up for?
Did Arizona ask for Utah and Colorado to come in so they wouldn't always be
the worst team in Football? Did Washington State ask for them so they
wouldn't be the worst team in basketball? Wow...what happened? There was
a time I was so proud of the Utes being in the Pac-12,now I'm embarrassed.
What has happened? At least don't publicly admit your team is so bad you
had to schedule the lowest possible teams around...just to build confidence.
Do you think your players are dumb? Will they not realize they are only winning
because they are playing NAIA teams? What happens, in the second game of the
Pac-12 schedule when Utah is at Arizona? How quick before they realize all
those wins on their schedule are a complete lie. This is crazy!
The Utes are in their comfort zone playing the patsies. Pretty soon Utah will
be a school that other schools will schedule to pad their W/L ratio.
Utah fans should be embarrassed.Even after their 1-25 season, BYU
didn't have to stoop to this level in order to raise their basketball
program from the ashes.
I understand the need to schedule some games that will provide some confidence
to a young team, but this is pathetic. Utah has a storied history in basketball
and Dr. Hill should have set some higher expectations for Coach K. They could
have easily scheduled some teams that were at least considered below average in
order to provide the new players an opportunity to improve their skills. What a
joke and embarassment!
Limbo lower now. How low can U go?While other PAC 12
teams like USC are seeking to improve their RPI, by scheduling tough out of
conference opponents, the Utes are doing their best to drag the entire
conference down to their level.Embarrassing!
"However, any suggestion that the Utes have a lousy preseason schedule
doesn’t faze second-year coach Larry Krystkowiak in the least. After all,
he’s coming off that 6-25 season with almost an entirely new group of
players. Accordingly, he wasn’t about to load up this year’s
schedule with tough opponents."Unfortunately, no Junior Jazz
league teams were available?No guts, no glory coach.
There's an old saying: "To be the best, you have to play
the best."So what does playing the worst make you?I
know, the kids on the hill will immediately start whining about BYU's
football patsies, but just remember, BYU scheduled all of those WAC teams out of
necessity to fill an entire two-year, 12-games per season schedule in just a
couple of months.Utah, on the other hand, intentionally scheduled
the worst OOC teams the Utes could find in a blatant and shameless attempt to
pad their record.Ironically, as the article pointed out, this is the
worst schedule in Utah history, save one, 1944, the year Utah won the NCAA
As a Utah fan, its hard to deny how bad the non-conference is. Especially for
someone with season tickets. But I know, and do understand, what Coach K is
trying to accomplish. In order to build a winning program, you need to learn how
to win period. Most of these games should not be even close, and Utah should win
going away but that is part of the progress. You need to learn how to put bad
teams way, learn how to go on runs, learn how to score in the final minutes of
the half/game. These early games will provide those expeciences so that when the
BYU game, and conference games come up hopefully they can pull some wins out
that no one expect.The fanbase is behind you Coach K, we know you
can pull the program out of this mess.GO UTES!