Gov. Huntsman seems to think that some tweaking in the message may have changed
the outcome of the election and allowed a different outcome. Don't think
so, with all due respect. The candidate would have been just as diluted in
message and just as unable to be honest to his would-be electorate or
straightforward in plans, and just as disdainful of the poorest of this
nation's citizenry--as we saw from his post-election commentary--as ever.
It wouldn't have helped. This is the party that saw Mr. Huntsman as a
traitor to its cause because he chose to accept a position for which he was
preeminently qualified under a Democratic administration as a declaration of
party loyalty instead of country loyalty as it was. If Romney had been a
Democrat, he would have lost this election, too. It was not his party, it was
I'd give max donation to Huntsman and probably even some time. I'm
practically desperate for a middle-right candidate.
If Gov. Huntsman had not hinted, during the campaign, that he would basically
roll over and not stand up to China, I would have been a huge supporter. As it
stood, his statements were grossly naive and I think he was blinded by his close
association with China to reverse the horrendous damage that "free"
trade with slave wage nations has done to our economy.
"Sell out, hand out, and divide just to get elected" is the methodology
and vision of Huntsman. We already have a party that has that mastered,
don't we Mr. Dubakis!
Huntsman is a democrat. Huntsman will run as a democrat in the next election.
Huntsman ran as a liberal republican to make Romney look bad. The idea that
someone leaves the Obama adminstration runs as a republican and then goes back
to the Obama admin shows us Huntsman had orders from the Obama camp. Its
laughable that others including the media dont see it.
re:Henry DrummondFox News is the only news I watch or trust. Stopped
watching CNN 4 years ago when I saw how they provided shameful cover for Barack.
The other so-called news organizations are nothing but lap dog media propaganda
cheerleaders for Barack Obama. So Henry - what do you watch? MSNBC maybe
followed by the Bill Maher show?? Just wondering.
@georgeThere's no "fine tuning" something like the
immmigration plank of the platform.Huntsman's view is akin to blue
dog democrats and was exposed in the GOP debates earlier this year. He's
hardly a standard bearer for the party.His brand of politics might be
palatable for some, but it's far from the mainstream GOP, even while they
are licking their wounds.
Huntsman may have avoided the names but let's be honest about the people
who handed this election to Obama: Fox, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, etc, et.al.This election should have been a slam-dunk landslide for the Republicans
and would have been had there been a half-way decent candidate from a half-way
responsible republican party. The narrow Democratic victory only goes to show
how relatively few people the over-the-top, angry, snarling, warped, snarky,
demonizing RSM rhetoric has to alienate. But it still should have been a
landslide!Look no further back than the unbelievable Republican
primary circus: who and what drove that disastrous bunch of candidates?
Huntsman alone was not tainted by Tea Party/birther craziness or the blatant
need to pander to them (à la the flip-flopping Mitt Romney). And how was
the craziness induced, aided and abetted to such irrational and un-Godly
proportions? How did the Republicans end up with so many low-information,
gullible voters controlling their primaries?People may have been
disappointed in Obama (8 million fewer voters than in 2008) but they saw the
Republicans as crazy and those 8M did not vote for Romney.
I love huntsman's approach.
Chuckle at the comments suggesting Huntsman and other Republicans should be more
like Reagan. Check the history, Reagan may have talked liked a conservative but
he was as moderate as Huntsman. In 5 out of his 8 budgets the democratically
controlled congress actually spent less than he requested. Federal spending as
a percent of GDP was pretty close to today's "socialist"
administration. Deficits sky rocketed under him as well. Reagan supported
immigration reform. The list goes on. Reagan could give a speech but it was
lip service. Conservatives today would be as excited with Reagan as they are
with Huntsman. Read your history instead of getting it spoon fed by talk radio.
Spoken like a true Trust Fund kid who wants to spend everyones money but his
own. Jon Boy, give up all your money you got from Dad, get a real job for real
wages, then you can have this talk with us.
I gotta hand it to you conservatives. A candidate like Huntsman would OWN the
middle in a national race, yet he is soundly rejected by the Republican base.I guess the reason Romney lost is because his is not conservative
enough, maybe you should put up Rick Santorum, against Hillary in 2016, and see
how that works out.
Based on the comments here, I think this begs the question what does it mean to
be a Republican. I know about 8 years ago I knew when I was no longer aligned
with the party as driven by Dick Cheney. I loved the frank talk of Alan
Simpson. He let you know when he disagreed with ya. But Simpson never tried to
define what kind of Republican others could be. Cheney and team changed all
that.We now see that progression continue. The claims the Huntsman
isn't republican enough show that the party is becoming an ever tighter,
less inclusive party. Gone is the Big Tent party of Reagan. It seems doomed to
continue down the path of being the party of angry while males. We've seen this crowd before.
The GOP should listen, but they won't. It's a party that appeals to
the lowest common denominator in our nation. Watch as the crazy right rears its
head again and the Republicans will think they can exploit it to get ahead. In
the end, they will fail.
The people have given up hope of working for a living because the Republicans
turned off the lights and closed a lot of doors with cheap shot tactics to
exploit the workers with lost incomes and wages. The republicans expect people
to live outside their means with debt and indentured servitude which is
unsustainable for workers and prosperity. Prosperity is not debt and never will
be.They need to convert their policies to conform to free
enterprise, free will, free choice, better pay, no welfare, and protect the
citizens from business exploitation rather than be the problem of exploiting
workers for profit. Establish profit and workers share programs and laws so all
can benefit from the growth and prosperity that it will bring.Selfish greed must be terminated and obligation and care for the workers
should be the duty of business, big and small. Workers have a right to equality
in shared profits of business, there is more of their blood and sweat making a
company or factories prosper than the owners or stock holders exploiting their
services and driving Rolls Royce's.
The comments means one thing, no one knows what the Republican party is. The
republicans think of people (citizens) as subjects to be exploited by taxing
them and giving their taxation to private business to guarantee cheap labor and
low wage jobs. They have to put citizens (tax payers) first, not business or
foreign nationals.The Republicans need to redirect their values,
adopt Tea Party attitudes. The people are the voters and electorate, business
follow the people and the Republicans try to force people into undesirable jobs.
Bribing business for hopes of tax revenue is a waste of time in jobs and revenue
when the job/wages are funded by welfare tax. Exploiting the people (citizens)
to fund private business is wrong and illegal.Rep's lose
elections because the Republicans exploit the people for business and the rich,
and a threat to the welfare state of government dependents they created. Peoples
incomes are the real economy, not business profits. One person paying income and
sales tax does more for the economy than 100,000 welfare dependents and
freeloader foreign nationals.
I thought Huntsman was a good governor, but lost respect for him when he ran his
campaign like he didn't take it seriously.
I think what all the 'experts' are forgetting is that the American
public has an attention span of about 6 minutes. Nobody bothers to learn about
the candidates or their positions. They certainly don't seem to care about
how the present affects the future. It's all about what the country can do
for you and not what you can do for your country.
The nation needs to come to the center. Forget your pride and your FOX-MSNBC
deities and their ideas. We need to come together and give our children a debt
free nation. Polarizing to the extremes will only hurt us more. Huntsman, yes
left of the rights center, but still a republican.
The Republicans would be ill-adivsed to accept advice from someone who is
actually more of a Democrat than a Republican.Rather than being a
cheap "Democrat lite" copy of the liberal philosophy, the Republicans
need to offer a bold and distinct conservative option. Be more like Reagan, not
like McCain, and definitely not like Huntsman.
Agree with Instereo and must say Third Try can stay as the "Delegate"
for the right wing Republicans. Problem Solvers is a good name for
the new third party. If you want to compromise get things done, balance budgets
by closing deductions for those making over 250,000 in personal income and raise
rates for capital gains over 250,00. At the same time, Cut spending on
programs, limit federal benefit times, raise the retirement age social security
eligibility, have graduated medicare for future generations. Get rid of as much
regulation as we can for our businesses while insuring fair business practices
both at home and abroad. End most government subsidies, cut foreign aid in at
least half. Understand that I love my wife and hate the thought of abortion,
but that this is a country of freedom, and based on the constitution, should let
the states decide on marriage and abortion issues. That's a
If only the Republican Party were more like the Democrats......then no one
would bother to vote for them.
Jon has essentially no influence in the Republican Party. He's dreaming if
he thinks he's going to pull the party any direction. Not going to
happen.There's a much greater chance he'll switch parties,
and that would actually make a lot of sense. His views match better as a
Like Romney who is not well liked in Boston and Detroit where he served
previously, Huntsman would not do well in Utah if he ran again locally or
nationally. Still I think Huntsman is one of the brightest figures needed to
redefine the republican party unless he goes independent.
The idea of Fox News being a media elite is a thought that is going to take some
time getting used to. It does fit though. For decades conservatives complained
about media elites who only gave one side of the story. In the age of cable TV
and the Internet you have all kinds of information yet most people prefer to
listen to those who reinforce their own ideas. As James Carvell said, people use
the conservative press like a drunk uses a lamp-post. Its for support and not
Sensible Republicans should just let the Tea Party have the Republican Party.
Then they should form another more moderate party that addresses the problems of
our county in a productive way. If they did that, they would be able to brand
themselves as sensible and the Republicans would just fade away like the Whigs
did in the 1850's. They also wouldn't have all the baggage that goes
with their name and would be able to attract moderate democrats and maybe
actually change things. Isn't that what big corporations do when something
isn't going right with them.
huntsman is a member of the church but his actions speak loudly....don't
really trust the man
Allen2So, are you saying that her dad wasn't behind her being on that
show?After he does his best, to simmer his loyalty to the lds church.Interesting concept.....
Huntsman is a scary little guy.
John Huntsman is too good for the Republican party, he will never be appreciated
there...He has sound ideas,is moderate and pragmatic...a man of principles...I
hope he gets the nod for a high level job with the Obama administration...he has
proven his desire to serve the country ahead of party.
Aggielove: Although I am also disappointed with some comments made by Jon
Huntsman's daughter, I know that parents can NOT control what their adult
children do or say.That concept is known as "agency".
@third try did you bother reading his actual comments?Huntsman is not
talking about republicans walking away from their values just figuring out how
to present the platform that does not feed of the extreme elements of your
party. you maybe right he maybe out of step with delegates but lets also
remember the delegates have not exactly been so in touch with the larger
American population the last few election cycles as evidenced by their
nominations failures at the polls.
Huntsman should READ the party platform. I think he will find himself out of
sync with the party.Unless he knows better than the delegates who voted on
it.But what does he know? He skipped the convention.He could do a
Rocky and start his own party.
Highly unimpressed with his daughters Hack job on the lds on Rock Center.
Why is it only the Utah paper's discuss Huntsman possible future roles as
either Secy of State or Secy of Treasurer? The national media never mentions
his name as consideration for anything.
Huntsman is easily my top choice for the next GOP nominee. Does anyone know how
to get a job on his staff?
I appreciate the Governor's comments, have to agree with the points raised
re immigration and youth appeal. We need to hear more from him on speciifcs with