High School football: Manti makes 54-yard field goal to secure 2A title for Templars

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    Nov. 16, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    No one could possibly have had posession because it must have been blown sometime after the fumble by the quarterback. Had the team that last had posession recovered the fumble, there would have been a loss of down and lost yardage. The whistle was very fortunate for Manti and very misfortunate for San Juan. Thanks for the info!

  • Me, Myself and I The Promised Land, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 8:28 a.m.

    I just looked up the rule and it says the team in possession of the ball at the time of the inadvertent whistle has the choice of taking it at the spot or replaying the down. This is what the ruling was at the game. Where it gets a little sticky is I'm pretty sure no one had possession at the time of the inadvertent whistle. Couldn't find any information on that scenario, but it must go back to the offense in a situation like that otherwise who knows what the referee was doing.

    Nov. 15, 2012 5:22 p.m.

    I was hoping for some informative feedback regarding the inadvertant whistle blown in the San Juan/Manti game.

  • Me, Myself and I The Promised Land, UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    Some good points made about school size not being the real factor. CTJfan hit it on the head when he stated that Manti has built a winning program. This has more to do with things than school size. The only thing enrollment can do to help out is give you depth and increase competition which makes your players perform more consistently. I look at schools like Canyon View, they are a bigger 3A school, not the biggest but bigger than most the schools already mentioned, and they struggle with football. On the flip side I believe at the last realignment Highland High's enrollment was down and they were supposed to move to 3A. They wanted to stay 4A and even though they were probably the smallest 4A school in the state were a Semi-Final team this year. It's all about building and sustaining a winning program not how many kids your school forces to choke down school lunch everyday.

  • Me, Myself and I The Promised Land, UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 9:28 a.m.

    I haven't seen the realignment myself, rumors are they plan on splitting 3A. As I understand it there will be small changes to 1A and 2A the smaller 3A schools most of which are rural and the smaller will make up 3A, 4A will be made up of the now larger or mostly urban 3A schools, 4A will be the new 5A and 5A the new 6A. Like I said this is only what I've heard, I may be wrong. If someone knows for sure please post and correct me.

    As far as winning championships it shouldn't be easy. My personal opinion is most the people who are complaining are only doing so, so their teams can gain an advantage because it's either been a long time since they've won one or they never have. There is a good reason why things like championships and undefeated seasons are special, because they aren't common. The playing fields will never be level no matter how realignment is done. You just play who is on your schedule do your best and leave it all on the field.

  • MantiCoug Manti, UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 12:12 a.m.

    Every time we have to listening to the griping about school size I ask the same question: How many football state titles did Juab win while they were one of the larger schools in 2A? How many did North Sanpete win? How many has Richfield won in the last 20 years (many of those years spent in 2A)?

    Manti has built a PROGRAM (remember, they tied for their region championship the first year they were in 3A). We don't need six classifications! 5 is enough. Eveyone doesn't need a trophy. Manti, Delta, North Sanpete, Juab, Emery, Richfield, Gunnison, Millard, Beaver, San Juan, Grand...all of these central Utah rural schools should be in 2A. Then a state championship would really mean something...you beat your peers.

  • CTJ fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 6:11 p.m.

    I know a lot of Delta fans so I've just never heard of any complaining from them, but Me, Myself and I, your right I don't know all of them and I'm sure some do complain, however they have a much bigger reason to complain than anyone in 2A. Have you seen the realignment? Where does San Juan fit into that anyway?
    The point more than any I was trying to make is that when Manti went up to 3A that was true disparity. When you play someone in football and your going both ways when that team is not, that is truly a disadvantage. It's tiring to hear the same old song sung by many, when I played at Manti, we were one of the smallest if not the smallest and I don't ever remember complaining that we got beat because of how big the other schools were, we just played the schedule. That's my point.

  • Me, Myself and I The Promised Land, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 9:41 a.m.


    First off I don't agree with 2Afan4life. San Juan always tries to schedule bigger schools for their pre-season games and have no problems playing whoever is on their schedule. As far as you not hearing whining coming from Delta I'm guessing you don't keep up on the realignment talks, because Delta's complaining (which I believe is as justified as anyone's) is one of the main reasons the UHSAA is realigning every 2 years instead of 4 and for going to 6 classifications in football.

    TemplarBlue hit it right on the head about last Saturday's game. I wish more fans no matter who they support were like TemplarBlue, positive, accurate and realistic.

  • CTJ fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 3:04 p.m.

    2Afan$life - your kidding me with that non sense, it's amazing you'd bring that up, for years Manti was one of the smallest schools in the classification and we never complained. And it's funny how you bring up Delta, now they have a REAL gripe, there 589 students you say have to compete regularily against schools with a 1000 kids. Now that's a true disparity, the big difference is that EVERY school in 2A has to play both ways, in 3A that's not the case. I never hear Delta complain about it. I can't imagine the whinning you'd do in that situation. If you look at the history of the 2A for the past 20 years it's pretty even from small to big on who won the title, if you look in 3A it's been 1 year in the last 20 that a small school won. And how do you account for Richfield according to your calculations they should've dominated this year they clearly are the bigger school! Besides your not that much smaller, schools like North Sevier and Gunnison, or Enterprise have more of a case than you.

  • TemplarBlue CENTRAL, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 12:38 p.m.

    I give San Juan credit for a hard fought, physical football game. They certainly had the skill, the athletes and the coaching to win that game. The ball bounces one way or the other or they go for two on the pat and convert, they win the game. Two very evenly matched teams. The point is, they were playing to win, and not worried about which school had more students. Congratulations to both teams on a great season. Good Luck to you in the future!

  • 2Afan4life Mokie1735, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 9:34 a.m.

    Now if we can get the classifications figured out so we aren't forced to play these schools that are more than double our size. Numbers are a factor in the upper classifications, but once you get down to the lower end, the numbers are a HUGE part of the program. How can a smaller 2A school compete with these bigger 2A schools (according to the USOE, Richfield has 592 students 9-12, Manti 560 , South Summit 420, San Juan 398, Emery 396; as compared to Kanab 231 and Enterprise 248). Just as a reference Delta, a 3A school, has 589 students. The 6 classifications cannot get here fast enough to help with this issue.

  • milner Centerfield Sanpete, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    Congratulations to Manti and San Juan! I think there is no doubt these were the best two teams in 2A.It was a fight to the end! Great game!

  • CTJ fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 11:46 p.m.

    Wow Manti almost blew that game, a mental lapse at the end of the game, but they didn't panic and won the game in dramatic fashion. Wasn't sure how they would do this year with losing there entire line except for 1 guy but those new guys came through for those seniors. It was finally nice to see a good game, there were only a couple times this season where the game was challenging, and today they got a chance to play a very good team. Have to give it to San Juan for not giving up to the very end. Both defenses played well, Manti has done that all year there points against was a little deceiving since most of the points given up was on the J.V who usually played most of the second half the entire year. Great season Manti, it was really good to see the back to back championships.

  • ewan ko... Blanding, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 8:01 p.m.

    Congrats to Manti. I wasn't at the game but after watching the broncos throughout the season I'm certain that Manti is a very tough team. Congrats to SJ as well on an outstanding season. I'm sad to see the special teams lose the game but you're all champions in my book.

  • aunt lucy Looneyville, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 7:24 p.m.

    Bronco I hope you've noticed this kid. BYU has needed a couch kicker for years. Here's your kid! Congrats to Manti and San Juan. Two classy programs who know how to compete night in and night out!

  • MantiCoug Manti, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 7:18 p.m.

    Awesome win Manti! Defense played great! Offense held onto the ball and didn't make costly mistakes. Special teams had an awesom game! 2 straight for the Templars!!!