Utah's public schools top 600,000 students, 50,000 in charter schools

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  • Coach P Provo, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 8:48 p.m.

    I don't know what study you or whatever you are thinking freedomforthepeople but I have taught school for 20 plus years. And we have plenty of charter school students that enter our high school. Many also compete on our athletic teams and take in part in other programs their charter school can't/doesn't provide. Unfortunately, as I understand things, if they don't enroll before October 1 the funding for them is lost to the high school and goes to the charter.

  • CHmom Cedar HIlls, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 8:46 p.m.

    @freedomforthepeople- I'm sorry but I completely disagree.

    Charter students absolutely DO "jump back and forth" to district schools on a regular basis. I sit on the Community Council for our local elementary, and two years ago a new charter opened in the next-door elementary's boundaries. What a nightmare. It was woefully unprepared to start school (they didn't even have textbooks or a full staff yet), but opened anyway so they wouldn't lose their charter. Our school had kids that left to go to the new charter then they came back. Others, who were on the waiting list, left and came back, and the cycle repeated. It was a major problem for a couple of months.

    Then the October 1st funding deadline came. Our principal took back almost 50 kids after the deadline (our school didn't receive funding for them, exacerbating our already oversized classes), and ended up turning some away- taking the brunt of the parents' displeasure. The neighboring elementary (the new charter was actually within their boundaries) picked up more than 100 kids from October to January. Also without receiving their funding. This IS a huge, unfair burden to the local district schools.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 2:09 a.m.

    By minority's they mean 150,000+ illegal mexicans in our schools clogging our class rooms and expecting special demands of free everything, not paying a dime tax to cover their own costs. Not only is this criminally illeagal by our state constituion, it sevrves no purpose to keep foreign nationasl in our schools when they cannot get jobs and do not benefit Utah or the USA.

    The only reason illegal aliens are in our schools is because the board of education uses them falsify and lie to the federal government telling them these illegal alien are legally in our schools. Millions of dollars a years being stolen from the federal government and education think they are above the law. Our laws say no foreign nationals allowed in schools.

    To get smaller class sizes and better education all we have to do is throw out the students that are illegal or foreign. A single language schools with abolishment of food service and restaurant services for foreign nationals and we can have an over funded education system and tax cuts instead of tax hikes to defraud the federal government.

  • freedomforthepeople Sandy, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:57 p.m.

    There is no data to support the contention that charter school students "jump back and forth" causing havoc. Public schools do like to tell stories about how they "lost" a student to a charter school (in most cases they tell these stories about students they are not unhappy to lose) and then they are furious when the student moves back to the public school, so they exaggerate and say this happens all the time and it is really bad and unfair to the public school - when in reality, we have the retention numbers of charter schools and they are similar to traditional public schools so this is another urban myth told by charter haters over and over and over. Fortunately, most people aren't buying it anymore.

    Most charters have waiting lists (not all) so "jumping back and forth" is often not even possible.

    Of course, it is true that some public school students choose to enroll in a charter and then choose to leave, just like the student previously chose to leave the public school after entering it. This can no more be blamed on the charter school than the original leaving can be blamed on the public school.

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:41 p.m.

    The problem is the 50,000 in charter schools will jump back and forth from school to school causing havoc on the normal schools. We need a law that says once you choose a school you have to stay there for at least 3 years.

  • justme001 Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:34 p.m.

    Utah needs to start looking at capping the child deductions. Sorry but with this may kids and the state being the lowest per pupil spending something has to give. I hope it will not be the per pupil spending. Make family's who have a large number of kids pay to educate them or home school, their choice.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 5:53 p.m.

    Utah faces huge challenges ahead in education. The "stack 'em deep and teach 'em cheap" approach will not get the results of past years.