A day of painful goodbyes for Mitt Romney (+video)

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  • petuniababi ,
    Nov. 28, 2012 11:27 a.m.

    I could never see the honesty in Romney's campaign.Nor did i get a sense of what kind of man he really is.He and his wife came across as superficial and elitist.I just felt that he wouldn't know how to understand someone like me who struggles on a monthly income.If he is the man that his friends say he is,i am sorry for thinking this way.If he is all this,why is the party throwing him under the bus,now that he has lost?

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 6:50 p.m.

    @ BobF you are living in Canada, that explains your comment.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 6:48 p.m.

    @ cjb Remember that Obama has said that Afghanistan was were we should be and has kept us there for 4 years. People bought into Obama's lies while taking billions from Medicare for Obamacare. Romney lost because too many American's want a hand out instead of a hand up. When the the well dries up, and it will, all those depending on the govt won't know what to do.

  • NJUT Holladay, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 5:23 p.m.

    Yeah! Romney is gone. For good. Americans voted and rejected what Romney stands for. What a relief!

  • Michael_Haskins Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 9:53 p.m.

    RE: How can dozens of people come on here and say "Romney is a decent and honest man." The number one reason that I wouldn't, couldn't vote for him were the lies and half truths. That is not an honest man talking. That is a panderer trying to do anything to get elected. ---

    Careful! -- I previously used the word 'dishonest' and the phrase 'unethical behavior' instead of 'lies and half truths' to describe the Presidents opponent - My comment was blocked becaues the word 'dishonest' and the phrase 'unethical behavior' were aparently deemed personal attacks - telling the truth is discouraged if one's opinion difers with that of the Deseret News.

  • love idaho Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 10, 2012 5:44 p.m.

    It amazes me that people haven't figured out that when you hurt (over-tax) the "rich", you are hurting the very people that provide the jobs for the rest of us. Even though Obama knows the "talk", he doesn't do the "walk". He is STILL blaming Bush, after 4 yrs. It really does sadden me that we did not vote in Romney, who puts America first. Obama even struggles with our constitution and flag. I wish we could have voted in a real American. People will learn during the next 4 yrs., but then it is too late. I will give Obama credit for talking a great talk, just like he did 4 yrs. ago. Hopefully, God will bless America, even in our stupidity.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Nov. 9, 2012 7:41 p.m.

    Article quote: "Romney, Woodard said, was “an ice-cream perfect guy,” who was rejected because more voters align with the Democratic president on social issues, including support for gay marriage and abortion rights."

    Translation: the 2012 Presidential election proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that as a whole, we are no longer a righteous, God-fearing nation.


    I weep for America.

    How long, Lord, how long?.....

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    Nov. 9, 2012 1:36 p.m.

    -You can pretend to care, but you can't pretend to show up -

    Showing up in times of need really exemplifies Mitt Romney's life. At the bedside of a boy with terminal cancer, helping a co-worker find a lost child, donating his governors salary, and helping dig out a fallen tree are all about showing up. Romney showed his beliefs by his actions.

    Meanwhile, Biden and Obama are all talk. Biden is so cheap with his money he wouldn't give his mother a plug nickle if her life depended on it - look at his tax returns. Meanwhile, Biden helped create the biggest spending spree in US history, and the Obamas spend 1.5 billion to run their house.

    Now the question of what Romney will do with his time. In keeping with his life of service, I would suggest he build BYU-Africa, where the saints really need schools, and a Romney University in Mexico.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    Nov. 9, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    Mitt Romney had to tie himself to a party that a majority of the people in this country clearly rejected. Yes the obvious was scary to people, the anti-abortion and Women’s rights, Gay Marriage, immigration, the GOP seems a little heartless. But it's worse than that in my opinion. The kowtowing to the fringe elements, the religious right, the Evangelicals, the anti-science crowd (as Huntsman warned) doomed the party. The people want real leaders, not perceived goof-balls looking to push their pious agenda! Mitt had to tie himself to those folks rather he liked it or not. I agree, I don't believe that Mitt is a bigot or wants to turn the clock back to the 1950, but the party sure acts like it does, and until they realize that this will be the result in 2014, 16 and so forth. Health care galvanized the right-wing agenda in 2010, but as you can see it was short lived. Learn from your mistakes and rebrand the party! Realize that running someone like Huntsman will actually get people to cross party lines, attract independents. If not...

  • apache1 Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 9, 2012 12:27 p.m.

    I voyed for Romney and honestly thought he had a chance, I had no idea that the American voters were willing to continue moving the country towards socialism. I have a feeling that the American people will come to deeply regret having re-elected Obama to a second term but sadly by then the damage will have been done and it will be too late to change things.

  • Betcha Waltham, MA
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:49 a.m.

    My heart aches, for our country, well that is really not true, We still have an amazing country, it is the people, that I will pray for, People that have no morals, that want no responsibility, no blame, and have no integrity. It is the people that are causing the problems, and they do not realize that no government in the world can change their lives and their situation. Only they can, and when they choose not to change, we all suffer.. So my comment is to the people.. SHAPE UP, and stop being so selfish. You cannot give into every whim you have and not expect a consequence. To all of you that want to government to take care of your every need and your every vice, Your ruining our COUNTRY and I promise you that day of reckoning will come!!

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Nov. 9, 2012 7:36 a.m.

    Republicans, just keep beleiving, and running on policies that are based on the belief that Obama has completley failed, that the economy is a disaster, and that the national debt is armagedon in two weeks, and especially that half the country is lazy and wants the government to provide them with "everything" and you assure your demise as anything other than local howling partisans. In the end this is not just what defeated Romney but turned the tide in many senate and house elections.

    In the end a changing America is not a reputdiation of American values that needs to be villified it's a statment of fact and relaity. Great ideas like Democracy and Capitalism aren't great because of their immutability but because of their felxability. Until Republicans learn this they are going to have a very difficult time nationally.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 5:30 a.m.

    I wish Romney well. I hope he goes home, and spends he rest of his life enjoying his family (and keeps out of political and Church business).

  • peacemaker Provo, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 2:50 a.m.

    Past performance is the best judge of future performance. Obama accomplished nothing but distress and divisiveness for this great country. Stand by for the future performance.
    People of good will and honesty have throughout history found opposition from those of an opposite ilk, those motivated by entirely different set of values. So it continues.

  • Diligent Dave Logan, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 12:45 a.m.

    Thank you, Governor & Mrs Romney for sacrificing your pride to the denigration of millions of many vile and vicious people. Especially when to me, your love of this country, and knowing you could help if much more than the current administration could. To me, it is the loss of America.

    But, the voters who prevailed will get what they deserve. Unfortunately, the rest of us may be getting at least who we did not want. I will pray for Obama. But, like the Rabbi in Fiddler on the Roof, I may pray that he be kept, "far away from us"!

    We do need to, though, strike some MIDDLE ground. Unfortunately, it appears that neither Obama nor Reid think MIDDLE ground is halfway between what they want and what Republicans want. It is likely closer to 80 to 90% of what the administration & senate leader want. And that is NOT compromise!

    Keep fit Mitt. Maybe Ann & you will change your mind in 2-1/2 to 3 years.

    Also, how much the GOP primary bloodied Mitt & his chances was a BIG part of the problem. Neo-pharisees, trying to prevent a Mitt-the-Mormon hurt the nation far too much!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:59 p.m.


    Why just Romney? Clinton,Obama, and Bush didn't serve either. As a matter of fact, I didn't either.

    Sorry, about your husband, but we gave up and lost this political war. I loss friends, and relatives, and basically for nothing.

    The disgrace come from the political leaders who put us there, and placed regulations restricting our soldiers from defending themselves.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:58 p.m.

    @ atl134,
    If you can't tell that Obama has lied the last four years you have issues and selective hearing.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:02 p.m.

    Ute Alumni - You asked "how many community organizer/picnic arranger have served as president besides obama?"....

    Well if you read Abraham Lincoln's biography, he was one, in particularly when he began his crusade against slavery in 1854, with his "Peoria Speech". John F Kennedy was another In fact, depending on your particular definition of a "community organizer", a good number of the founding fathers were such as Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Paine, and Ben Franklin.

    Hey, I even know one that was a Union leader... that would be Reagan.

    So the fact that was a community organizer.... whet exactly does that have to do Mitt Romney? If anything I think Mitt Romney should become a community organizer helping government become more efficient and deliver services at lower cost. I think he would be really good at it..... kind of like the Olympics.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 7:54 p.m.

    In the end, although Mitt had seven years to do it, by virtually all knowledgeable opinions on both sides of the aisle, Obama put together a superior organization that operated more effectively than Romney's organization. So I guess Romney is not the superior manager people would have us believe. The superior leader won and will continue to lead.

  • PrepSportsFan Draper, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 7:06 p.m.

    Most in this country are just not self reliant. People want their free stuff and voted for the guy that will give it to them. Debt and deficits just do not matter to most folks. Sad sad day.

  • TA1 Alexandria, VA
    Nov. 8, 2012 6:58 p.m.

    The words "changing demographics" ought to be required study for anyone over say - forty five. For the few of us who are over forty five and understand that - let me try to explain - we need to acknowledge that what we remember of our earlier lives is not always correct, and it is not 1950 anymore. That said there is no reason to reject basic human kindness and honesty that we may have learned then, but additionally there is every reason to believe that all men and women are created equal and that we should never separate them into classes based upon race, religion, sex, national origin, or sexual orientation. We may not agree and we do not have to agree with everyone, but we do have to respect them and treat them equally as our own brothers and sisters and support them in achieving their dreams, goal and aspirations. That is the paradigm the Republicans missed, but the American people (and I) understood that and we ran as fast as we could from the Republican message. As harsh as it may seem, I want to live each day in the real world of 2012, not the 1950s.

  • Meadow Lark Mark IDAHO FALLS, ID
    Nov. 8, 2012 6:17 p.m.

    A number of folks just trashing Romney here in these posts. You act as if you know him so well and that he is just a horrible person. Then you act like Obama is just as wonderful as ever. Oh how we believe exactly what we want to believe. I had a lady at my work yesterday (who voted for Obama) who told me that Romney was an anti-Christ. I could not take that comment and told her that she was dead wrong. I have looked at Romney close enough that I know he is head over heels better than Obama. Yes I believe exactly what I want to believe also. Good grief for all of you who are trashing Romney, he's lost hasn't he? Now you have to make sure you trash his good name. OBAMA is no saint. If you believe that you are out of your minds!!!!

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    Nov. 8, 2012 5:44 p.m.


    No, Governor Romney rightfully corrected Mr. Obama on Benghazi. It was President Obama who lied to the nation in the second debate, when he indicated he immediately stated it was a terrorist attack, when in fact a few minutes after he spoke in the Rose Garden September 12th he denied it to Steve Kroft on 60 Minutes. He told the truth about the welfare changes that Obama made, effectively gutting the work requirement. He spoke plainly in the first debate how his tax plan and spending cuts would bring us to a balanced budget - you must not have been listening. Lowering rates to spur growth, and cutting spending WAS his deficit reduction plan. It makes sense. He supported the Afghanistan withdrawal date this time around because the war has wound down and a lot of time has passed. That's wisdom, not inconsistency. And your "flip-flop" statement is not based in either reason or fact. By his own admission Governor Romney's views became more conservative over the years, just as did Senator Phil Graham and President Ronald Reagan. To change or grow in one's thinking is a sign of a good leader.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:57 p.m.

    I am deeply saddened by the loss of someone that was uniquely qualified to lead us out of this economic crisis we are facing. We must now conclude that we will become a Greek-like third world country which is where Obama wants to take us. This secret combination we have elected will ultimately take away our agency as well. Ultimately this war will be settled, and it won't be resolved peacefully.

  • Janet Ontario, OR
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:33 p.m.

    When Romney became "Mr. Olympics," I thought, "Wow! He's good-looking, personable, and smart. Maybe he will make a successful run for the presidency someday." When he was the moderate governor of a liberal state, I thought maybe he could govern the country. As has been said by others, I really, really wanted to support him. Then he started flip-flopping to satisfy the Tea Party and Christian (far) right. Then he cozied up to Jan Brewer, one of the most radical and vitriolic voices in the anti-immigrant movement. Then he chose Paul (slash-and-burn Medicare and SS) Ryan as a running mate. Then there was the embarrassing and clumsy effort to show he could travel to other nations and act presidential. Then there was the 47% comment. "But he might be able to save the economy!" protested a close friend who was still going to vote for him. Romney wouldn't share his tax returns, but apparently used every possible tax dodge; he wouldn't increase taxes on the rich and couldn't give any specifics on how he would create jobs or what he would cut from the budget! In the end, Obama got my vote.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:29 p.m.

    Looking at an issue and changing your mind might be considered to be flip flopping, BTW who of us has never done that on any issue? But, it is not lying. I'd take Romney's word way before Obama's.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:28 p.m.

    I agree, the over the top generalizing has gone amuck.

    For example, the idea that only the poor voted for Romney. The fact is, in the top 10 income counties in this counrty, the 1 percenters, Obama won 8 of those 10 counties, but a large margine.

    This attempt by some on the right to portray this as a class warfare battle just plainly misrepresent the facts. There are a lot of opinions on why Romney lost, and none of them can be blaimed on the other side.

    His biggest issue was (IMHO) that he never showed he trusted the American public. He hid his records from his time as a Governor, he hid his taxes, he didn't talk about his experience at Bain, and the ultimate gaff... he talked bad about 47% of Americans when he thought they wouldn't find out.

    There was no doubt Romney is talented, knowledgeable, a decent man... but he treated the US public like employees on a need to know... and at least 52 percent thought they needed to know more.

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:17 p.m.


    I repeat...You see what you want to see.

    I suspect that what is seen is more a reflection of the viewer than the viewed.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 2:39 p.m.

    @ SS
    "To attack Romney for not serving in the military is hypocritical if you don't also realize and mention that Obama has also never served in the military. "

    Unlike Romney, Obama never openly protested in favor of a military draft to send people to Vietnam (or any other war when Obama was that age).

    "Mitt didn't lose the election the american people did! "

    The popular vote winner won the election so the American people got who they wanted.

    "People saying Romney lied in his campaign, but Obama has lied for the past 4 years. Selective listening is a problem"

    If you can't see that Romney lied in his campaign, you clearly have issues with selective listening.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 2:36 p.m.

    "I am so very tired of condescending lectures from democrats, especially those whom I know and love, implying only they have "moral principles" and that people with opposing political views are bereft of these principles. "

    And Republicans don't think that very same thing about Democrats? Goodness, there are people saying we elected a lying, thieving, murderer. There are conservatives who comment on this very thread that Obama supporters are all lazy moochers.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 2:33 p.m.

    "You ran a classy, near-perfect campaign. "

    He slandered our embassy while trying to exploit a tragedy for political gain before we even had time to bury the dead. He lied about the changes to welfare (Obama only did what Governor Herbert asked for), he lied about his tax plan (claimed it'd be paid for and just asked us to trust him when he didn't have the numbers), he lied about his deficit reduction plan (nonexistant), he lied about timetables being harmful to the nation when he openly supported a 2014 withdrawal at the final debate, and he flip-flopped on so many issues I couldn't figure out which time he was lying.

  • Belching Cow Sandy, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 2:21 p.m.

    The majority voted for economic ruin and that is what they are going to get. Unfortunately the rest of us will be taken down with them.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    how many community organizer/picnic arranger have served as president besides obama?

  • utahboni Ogden, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:37 p.m.

    The fact Romney was a savy businessman does not necessarily mean he would have been a good president. We've only had two former businessmen as president, Hoover and GWB. One put us in the Great Depression and the other put us in the Great Recession.

    The role of government is quite differant from that of business. Businessmen only have to concern themselves with making the haves have more. When the government goes down that road, our economy collapses.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:01 p.m.

    The system of welfare, whether in the Church or the government has a process to ensure it is not even close to the sea gulls and the ships. They have a process for those that are in the system. However, anyone in the "system" can learn how to get around the system and since 1964, people have learned quite well. Having lived in Mississippi and Illinois, Arizona, Texas, Louisiana, Washington, Utah and California, there are plenty of people that have gotten around the system. If they would spend as much time working instead of all their efforts getting around the system, our country wouldn't be as far out on the limb. We have bureaucrats and elected officials who know those people can vote and can vote for them. The system is what we base our tax and entitlements on.

    That is one of the problems that people with fiduciary responsibilities knows. You have to have some money coming into the system to be able to pay out. We have not enough money coming in to pay for the outgoing. Entitled people could help but our government could also help by looking at the budget they haven't done for 3 years.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    i think you are suffering from ptsd rather than your husband. first clue is loss of reality. what exactly does vietnam have to do with romney? my fater fought in ww 2, you know the big one. third army, 3 and a half years. real comabt, 522 in his battalion, 28 came home. NEVER heard my Dad or Mom complain about others not serving. why do you?

  • Rynn Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:43 a.m.

    There is a lot of generalizing here.

    Not every person who voted for Obama is lazy and wanting a government handout.

  • Walkster lavergne, TN
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:32 a.m.

    I see alot of comments on here most for Romney some against. While everyone has something valid to say most people miss the important points. Mitt didn't lose the election the american people did! Romney ran a campaign that would have won any normal election. This wasn't a normal election. Obama targeted Hispanics, blacks, and welfare recipients and it worked. The sad thing is that alot of the people that voted for Obama are the people that take from this country.We deserved better but as one political analyst said it best you can't compete with Santa Claus!!!!

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:27 a.m.

    The "scoreboard" comment is straight from the sports section, implying "game over." Well, game over can have other meanings. But in this case, the game is not over. This is still America. In my view, it's a broken America and the game is not over, and scoreboard is what is irrelevant, until America is fixed. Even then, the game will not be over because fools will still try to "fundamentally change" our great country.

    Go earn your own way and help others do the same. That's how Romney achieved the American dream, and in my America, everyone can acheive their honorable dreams with faith and hard work. And when hard times come, I'll be the first one in line to help. I've had my own hard times and wonderful people in my life have given me a leg up. That's the America I know and love...and the one I fear is slipping away. Compassion is our job, not our government's job.

  • Agustis Sugar City, ID
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:17 a.m.

    Thank you Romneys, one and all. You are a tremendous example and you accomplished much good. You were magnanimous in your post primary campaign, but never more so than in your concession speech. Please, please don’t walk off the national stage. President Obama has extended the invitation to help get the country on the right track. Please do so in a very public manner. Neither of you has to pay heed to the extreme elements of your respective parties. Show by example and precept what it means to be motivated by love of God, family and country. Say goodbye only to the pompous, condescending, arrogant, egotists of the GOP.

  • docport1 ,
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:16 a.m.

    Romney disappointed me. I held him to a higher standard as a candidate because of his religion and he didn't live up to it. He pandered, he lied and he flip flopped. Jon Huntsman would have been a much more popular candidate.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:50 a.m.

    @Nuschler 1,
    To attack Romney for not serving in the military is hypocritical if you don't also realize and mention that Obama has also never served in the military. That is the problem with all of the democrats and the problem with how this election panned out. Romney and Obama have been measured in two completely different ways. Romney has to be perfect or he is a liar and only cares about himself and his money. Obama on the other hand can't do one thing wrong. By the way, I figured someone like you who had had your husband serve in the military would have been more upset about the Presidents lying and total disregard to those who died in Benghazi defending this country.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:46 a.m.

    "...Bullock said. “Now, we won’t see those implemented. We’re going to continue down the path we’ve been on.” Like none of this depends on bipartisan cooperation (like from his own party).

  • CB Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:42 a.m.

    Unfortunately there seems to be a lot of envy because someone who applied himself, saved companies and jobs that would have gone under and did well enough to make money which he invested to make even more.
    This was a young couple that had a door on blocks as their desk, their first baby was bedded in a drawer of a dresser, and patched carpet samples covered their basement floor.
    Short sighted people will take what they make and rather than set aside part of it for future need will apply it to the 'toys' of the day, the most exciting vacations and then when they reach the time they can no longer work and look at the SS which they thought would give them the good life and find it less than desirable, also find it hard to appreciate someone who was more circumspect about their futures.
    Failure to provide for this life is often followed by failure to appreciate that there is yet a Day of Judgement ahead.

  • johnnylingo62 Gray, TN
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:30 a.m.

    Wow, as I read these comments Anti-Romney I can see how the MEDIA really did skew the outcome. People saying Romney lied in his campaign, but Obama has lied for the past 4 years. Selective listening is a problem when you put the credentials of Romney up against Obama it's clear who has the wisdom, intelligence, fortitude, moral values, EXPERIENCE in leadership and FINANCES (which is our biggest issue of the day)to lead the country.
    For anyone that says that Romney lied - let me ask you did Obama lie, too? Is he lying right now about his knowledge of 4 Americans that were killed in Benghazi because he wanted to create the "illusion of safety in Libya" to show how great his foreign policies are? How about saying he would cut the deficit in HALF, but instead DOUBLED it? How about defending Marriage and the Family - is this at the top of Obama's campaign.
    The problem with America is that the majority of the people no longer value FAMILY and have a new version of what a family is. 40% of babies are born to UNWED mothers. Without core family values our nation will suffer the consequences.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:25 a.m.

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and call out Badger 55 who wrote:
    Old Cougar,
    I just want to echo some of your comments. The majority of the people I speak with that voted for Obama cite everything you said. From getting their mortgage paid for to their food, their healthcare and even things like cell phones. All of them want the wealthy to pay more so they don't have to. They cite corporate greed, yet fail to realize their own. They have as much opportunity as anyone else in this country to make more money, but that is just too much work. Something is seriously wrong with our country."

    I don't believe that you have spoken with ANYONE who said the things you claim here.

    It is this kind of false nonsense that has caused the problems we have. Please use your head for something besides inventing falsehoods.

    Now, let's see if the DN censors will pass this.

  • rogerdpack2 Orem, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:13 a.m.

    There's no shame in having the "end of your political career" being to lose a close battle for president of the US. Seriously that's basically almost the top of the top, as high as you can go. Kudos to Mitt, and hopefully in 4 years we'll get a real change.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:45 a.m.

    obama groupies:
    your boy won america lost. good luck. my flag will continue to hang at half-staff for the next four years.

  • Badger55 Nibley, Ut
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    Old Cougar,
    I just want to echo some of your comments. The majority of the people I speak with that voted for Obama cite everything you said. From getting their mortgage paid for to their food, their healthcare and even things like cell phones. All of them want the wealthy to pay more so they don't have to. They cite corporate greed, yet fail to realize their own. They have as much opportunity as anyone else in this country to make more money, but that is just too much work. Something is seriously wrong with our country.

    "Property is the fruit of labor...property is desirable...is a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built."
    -Abraham Lincoln

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:35 a.m.

    One more thing. I am so very tired of condescending lectures from democrats, especially those whom I know and love, implying only they have "moral principles" and that people with opposing political views are bereft of these principles. Again, this is not really a difficult concept: We have moral principles and we want to exercise them according to our own conscience. Many of us give much to the poor in time, effort, and money. We just don't want the government to administer our "goodness" and the exercise of our moral agency. We would certainly help the people you (Nuschler) are referring to as deserving. But I will pass on providing "stuff" to those who take every immoral measure to qualify for their "fair share" of it. I will not spend my time, effort or money to pay for contraception, for abortions, for government grants to pay for education my own kids can't afford. I could go on...

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    You all can continue these debates until you are blue - or red - in the face.


    Obama is our President. Fact.

    It doesn't matter anymore whether you like him or not. The voice of the people has been heard.

    The relevant question now is, what are we going to do in the current situation to make America's future better?

    If you have nothing to contribute in that regard, the you and your opinions are irrelevant.

  • BobF Kitchener, ON
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    To Grundle;
    Just a few questions:
    Where did you see his good intentions? When he was gutting companies and sending their hard-working employees to the unemployment line?
    Where did you see his honesty? When he said he'd keep some provisions of the Affordable Care Act, and two days later said he'd repeal all of it? Or when he said Jeep was going to move it's production plant to China, even after the company said that that was an outright lie?
    70% growth is very impressive; too bad he stomped on so many middle-class people, reducing them to poverty, to do it.
    Regarding his service to the Church, he was an administrator on his mission, and one Stake Relief Society president who served with him when he was Stake President has publicly discussed his coldness and disdain for the poor and downtrodden.
    The 'highly polarized' primary was one in which he had to switch many of his own positions (health care, abortion, gay rights, etc.). He was his own polarization.
    I have seen nothing from Mr. Romney to demonstrate that he cares about anything but his own bottom line ($$$).

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    Nuschler, no one is criticizing good people who need help...nor are we criticizing people who help them, voluntarily, like your bishop. I've been a bishop...I get that...it was a sacred time and it had nothing to do with politics. We are, of course, talking about folks who celebrate Obama's victories by squealing with joy, on television, about how they will no longer have to make their mortgage payment, about how much they will enjoy their "obamaphone," etc. I have a relative who had a child out of wedlock to preserve her eligibility for welfare payments and food stamps. Those are the folks we are talking about. It's not that complicated or that difficult to see. If we are believers, we are obligated to help each other. If we are progressives, we believe we are obligated to make sure it happens forcefully, through taxes. And, I'd rather have a bishop (whether LDS, Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal, etc.)managing "welfare" resources than an inefficient, unfeeling, uncaring, disconnected government bureaucracy.

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:03 a.m.

    Nuschler1: People comment on Romney's lack of military service but fail to point out Obama's. People point out Romney's wealth but miss pointing out that Obama isn't hurting either. Both men earned their wealth. It wasn't given to them. One was just a lot better at creating it. One has been tremendously generous with his wealth, but no one notices that, and fails to notice Obama's total lack of charitable giving. Romnet's wealth has benefitted thousands. Obama's has benefitted only himself. You can check the facts on that if you're really interested in comparing acurately.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:58 a.m.

    Atlanta, GA

    Life isn't fair.
    Sometimes your the windshield, sometimes your the bug.
    That's life.

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    It's interesting and sad to see the stereotypes and character attacks aimed at Mitt Romney still coming from Obama supporters on this board even after the election has been won. You see, you have to have a bogeyman to justify keeping someone in office who has such an abysmal record, and a false caricature to justify turning away someone that you know would be a great leader.

    The reality is that you have been duped. Duped by one billion dollars spent by vicious politicians trashing the character and reputation of a man who's entire life has proven to be one of service to others, character and integrity.

    If the president had a record to run on, do you think the emphasis would have been on persuading people to run away from Romney?

    Someone said, "A person never reveals his own character as obviously as when he is describing the character of another."

    I take great offense at the character attacks on this great and good man. He does care about everyone, and has proven that by his very life.

    While it is true that 50 million people voted for Obama, 48 million people disagree with you about Mitt Romney.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    Hopefully some day our Country will again be led by a man such as Mitt Romney. Our Country starves for true and honest leadership and we would have been given that with Mitt. I can't imagine the disappointment Mitt's team is feeling right now..we are so sad this good, righteous and humble man was not elected. Hopefully someday the world will be ready and willing to hear the truth and we can all feel more hope in our future.

  • Nuschler1 Atlanta, GA
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:49 a.m.

    To JWB who said: "If you give more entitlements and benefits to people, who are just like the sea gulls waiting for the ship to throw off their garbage, they will lose their desire to go out and work for their food and shelter."

    I have always respected my bishops for their empathetic, compassionate working with the poor. A family can become bankrupt from ONE medical crisis. Insurance companies have simply taken away coverage from these people. In fact 50% of ALL bankruptcies in America are due to a medical crisis that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    I have patients who have worked hard their entire life who now have ALS..Lou Gehrig's disease. A disease without a known cause that slowly paralyzes you including your breathing muscles. A slow horrific death...Are these people seagulls fighting over garbage? Losing their desire to every work again?

    Children born with autism, Trisomy 18, congenital heart defects, multiple sclerosis, muscular dystrophy all horrible afflictions. You think they can work?

    A mother of four loses her husband to a random killing (let's say the Aurora killings)...she is a seagull looking for an easy life? Where are your moral principles, JWB?

  • Tiger5 Cache county, USA
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    Springville, UT
    Don't kid yourself. Even his election night gathering was an elitist affair. The man has no clue about the middle class and how most Americans deal with life's difficulties. He was Thurston Howell, III all the way through the end.

    I would rather hear Thurston Howell III speak, then Malcolm x

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:35 a.m.

    This election had nothing to do with Romney being on a mission during the war.
    This election has to do with lazy people with video game addictions.
    Also, people are jealous of people with money.
    Cause there lazy.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    So many of you, most of whom have never run for office, are so quick to drink the negative Kool-Aid about Romney. Enough of spiking the ball in the end zone. You won. Now go enjoy your government handouts. This election was about "stuff" I get from the govt, whether it's Pell grants, food stamps, extended unemployment income, whatever...and which candidate was least likely to make cuts in the free stuff. You all chose Obama, even though we can't afford to keep giving everyone the stuff. Unfortunately we have reached a critical mass of takers...too few producers. We even have Republican strategists now talking about how their party needs to "evolve" with the rest of the country. Wow...I never thought I'd see this day. And, you talk about Romney's lies: Did Harry Reid ever reveal his reliable source who said Romney hadn't paid taxes for 10 years? Did anyone ever admit that Romney had left Bain 10 years before the lady died of cancer who was featured the Obama attack Ad? Do any of you realize Romney pays capital gains tax, so his lower rate is legal, not because he cheats?

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:32 a.m.


    You see what you want to see.

    I knew Mitt Romney as a fellow church member.

    Here is what I saw...

    I saw an incredibly bright, well educated, good intentioned, honest man.

    I saw a man willing to give up two years of his life in volunteer service in a time of life that most men and women live very self-centric lives.

    I saw a man give up ten years of personal time to be a spiritual shepherd and friend to a vast array of people from the poorest to the wealthiest.

    I saw a man that was willing to come to Utah and apply his success formula to an ailing Olympics for no compensation.

    I saw a man that served as a governor in an incredibly hostile political environment with great dignity and cooperation, again for no compensation.

    I saw a man that invested and grew 70% of the enterprises his company invested in. Quite a track record for a venture capital company.

    I saw a man that had to overcome a highly polarized and difficult primary process in order to represent a party, with dignity, because he cared.

    Thanks Mitt!

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:20 a.m.

    The Eagle Forum and Tea Party maybe have done some good but I sort of relate the Tea Party also was sort of like a Ross Perot for the Republicans in 1992 when 15 percent would have made a difference. Alliances can be good but our country cannot stall out for another 4 years.

    Congress has to do a budget and the Senate has not done their part for 3 years and that is a bad aspect of borrowing money on borrowed time. The President couldn't not even work with his own Democratic House and Senate with kindness and working together. He needs to learn to be diplomatic and not speak down to them either.

    The other night he spoke about learning something during this process of campaigning and 4 years of being negative in his mannerisms and policies. He needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

    His leadership is supported by the people dancing in Chicago. He needs to look at all states and see that it isn't pitting one class and race against another.

    This country is the best in the world and we cannot have a stalemate, even within his party for 4 more years.

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    Re: Nuschler1

    You do realize that George Romney may well have been knocked out of the presidential race because of his opposition to the Vietnam War, right?

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:16 a.m.

    Romney. Here is the truth.
    We live in a world of lazy people, who can't and don't want to work.
    They want a free ride. You or any other repubs will never win election again.
    Food stamps, and free health care for all.
    It's nuts.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:13 a.m.

    Congress cannot take away the benefits without going through and large and very detailed process and states have similar processes. The President cannot take away entitlements or perceived entitlements without a similar process with Congress. People elect their Representatives and Senators, state and nationally. This country has such an indepth process that is guaranteed for our country to survivie.

    The various subgroups in both parties should communicate better. Fear isn't a good tactic to use but it is used by both parties to gain votes. However, the tactics put fear and trepidation into people's hearts and souls that they will lose something and not be able to live.

    Having lived in plenty countries that don't have the system that ours has to guarantee people's common defense and general welfare, they get by generally. Europe has had a process that led them down to a REAL financial crisis and they are dealing with it.

    However, for the United States of America to deal with their financial issues which will help social issues succeed as a general rule, we have to have a budget and decisions made.

    Congress takes away people's efforts and a President giving everything.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    Don't kid yourself. Even his election night gathering was an elitist affair. The man has no clue about the middle class and how most Americans deal with life's difficulties. He was Thurston Howell, III all the way through the end.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:05 a.m.

    The simple fact that he lost not only the state in which he was governor, but also his other "home" states speaks volumes.

    The same can be said of Paul Ryan losing his home state.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:05 a.m.

    The Republican party in Utah and the nation have some serious rethinking on how they address the important issues. The Republican party assumed that they could give the straight story about the needs of budget issues and social issues. Those things are based on a balance. You can't have the one side overbalance the other side. The Democrats on the other hand want to use the fear with the social issues being taken away and the budget not being a problem for any of the entitlements. Europe has had these social and budget issues for a long time.

    These issues have to be addressed but every President since George Bush I said, "No more taxes", which was a good philosophy, the people of the Democratic party have derided anyone that would talk about adding taxes.

    If you give more entitlements and benefits to people, who are just like the sea gulls waiting for the ship to throw off their garbage, they will lose their desire to go out and work for their food and shelter.

    Our country and states do not throw people out the door. We ensure people are taken care of and there is a system.

  • BobF Kitchener, ON
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    His personal circle may see a very different Mitt Romney than the one I voted against. I saw a man whose business experience involved enriching himself at the expensive of the hard-working, middle-class people he threw out of work when he purchased and gutted their companies. I saw a man who wanted to deprive millions of people of health care. I saw a man who supported, then opposed, abortion rights. I saw a man who supported, then opposed, gay rights. I saw a man with no concept of how people lived who couldn't afford an elevator for their car. I saw a man without any core values. He may have them, but what are they?
    I'd love to see a Mormon in the White House, but not Mitt Romney. I'm very grateful that President Obama has been re-elected.
    Yes, I'm an active member of the Church. I'm a U.S. citizen, currently working and living in Canada.

  • djc Stansbury Park, Ut
    Nov. 8, 2012 7:31 a.m.

    How can dozens of people come on here and say "Romney is a decent and honest man." The number one reason that I wouldn't, couldn't vote for him were the lies and half truths. That is not an honest man talking. That is a panderer trying to do anything to get elected.

    I wanted to like Mr Romney. I tried to like Mr Romney, but the more I learned of him from his own words, from his own mouth, the more convinced I became that this was a typical politician that would do or say anything to get elected.

    Don't keep telling me how honest Mr Romney is because frankly, I never saw the honest Mr Romney is this year's campaign. Perhaps if he had been honest, things would be different today. If he really is the good person that all of you claim, he should have campaigned as a good person. He made light of unemployment, when millions of us are suffering. He made light of poverty claiming to have lived it. In general the truth was a missing commodity in his campaign.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 7:24 a.m.

    Romney tried to reinvent himself as a tea party candidate and it didn't work. He governed MA as moderate republican. He should have stayed true to who he really is instead of pandering to the far right in order to win the nomination. It was the hispanic vote that cost him the election and that is undisputable. America is and always has been a diverse nation. As long as the Republicans embrace the mean spirited and racially motivated immigration policies they will continue to lose politcal power. This is a defining momemt for Republicans. Are Republicans the party of the white middle class and wealthy or this are they willing to reach out to minority voters who are rejectig them in large numbers. Time will tell. One last thought why was Ryan chosen for VP over Rubio who would have been a better choice.

  • Nuschler1 Atlanta, GA
    Nov. 8, 2012 7:12 a.m.

    @worf et al
    My husband was in Vietnam FIGHTING for his country while Romney was in Paris serving his mission. By his own words he lived in a "palatial" home for his entire mission. My husband was slogging it out in a country where you couldn't tell the ARVN from the enemy. Children carried assault weapons. Soldiers are still fighting nightmares and PTSD from that horrific war.
    So what does Romney do after returning from his mission. He joins coaltions in favor of this "righteous" (once again his words) war!
    The American public including me TRIED to understand his "plans" for turning the country around. He REFUSED to give specifics! He would change his position so often that I didn't know if he just lacked character or was trying to appease whatever audience he was in front of!
    We NEVER knew what was in his heart. It was like nailing (green) jello to a tree. Romney, Akins, Mourdough, Tom Smth, John (You LIe) Walsh...you lost your own elections. We should have stayed with Jon Huntsman Jr. At least we knew his ideas and plans!

  • Pragmatic Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 6:40 a.m.

    The Republican Party was the heavy burden that Mitt Romney had to carry which disallowed him to cross the finish line.

  • DaveRL OGDEN, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 6:25 a.m.

    To imply the majority of the country was not worthy shows why he lost & the GOP lost. Just goes to prove the rest of the country could see through his constant lying, cheating and demeaning statements. He was not fit to lead the country and the majority of the people knew that plain & simple.

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    Nov. 8, 2012 5:21 a.m.

    Please Governor Romney and Ann Romney,

    You ran a classy, near-perfect campaign. It could not have been done any better.

    The combination of things beyond your control - a hurricane, a hostile national media who not only were lapdogs for your opponent but created a filter difficult to get past, a billion dollars spent by your opponent to viciously attack your reputation and character, and a cover-up by the media of a major scandal a month before the election that would have sunk any other President had they been a Republican - was just too much.

    And, unfortunately, a very large share our electorate would rather take money from the earnings of their fellow citizens through checks they receive from the government, than work for the things they get.

    I would love to see Mitt Romney run again, and hope the Romneys will reconsider.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 7, 2012 11:51 p.m.


    The consumers have out numbered the producers, and we have let a golden opportunity slip away. I knew Mitt back in 1964-5, so I wasn't fooled by how he was portrayed.

    He gave away all of his inheritance, and worked his way through college. It was Stanford at the time, then on to a mission to France. He also worked to help three others pay tuition, and was an eagle scout, and I'm good friends with his Boy Scout leader. Our country missed out.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2012 11:46 p.m.

    For those of you who think Romney is out of touch and attacking the middle class, you don't know anything about Obama if you think he isn't doing that exact thing.

    @Bill McGee,
    This President's term in office has been anything but successful. And there will definitely be no string of victories because after 4 more years of this ailing economy and an unraveling of U.S. foreign policy, this country will be begging for someone to lead it in a different direction. I am just totally appalled that the American people weren't to that point this go around.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 7, 2012 10:51 p.m.

    "Mitt Romney is a decent, honest"

    Is today opposite day?
    The "honest" part wasn't apparent in his campaign. When Romney decided to run for president, I thought/hoped he would raise the bar. Nope, didn't.

    The game of politics is a dirty one.

    Will this comment get by the moderators?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 10:45 p.m.

    Mitt Romney is a decent, honest and reasonable man. His intentions for this nation are good. I hope some day his party starts to see value in some of his ideas. I appreciate the effort he has put into public service.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 10:14 p.m.

    You didn't lose Governor Romney.

    We did!

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 7, 2012 9:58 p.m.

    Romney and Ryan ran a very dishonest campaign. I expected/hoped for better from a Mormon.
    The game of politics can be very destructive to the soul if you let it.

    We need to amend the Constitution with some campaign reforms so our legislators can get back to legislating instead of raising money. Maybe we'll get different candidates as well if money is taken out of the equation.

  • Bill McGee Alpine, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 9:15 p.m.

    I really like how Utah GOP Chairman Thomas Wright thinks: “We don’t need to adjust our positions to win elections." Wright also said he believes Republicans share his view that social issues aren’t always as important as economic issues.

    Keep playing that tune, Tom. That way we can ensure a long and successful string of Democratic victories.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 8:21 p.m.

    It is not true I would have voted for Romney if I could have seen in his heart. Why? He would have required sacrifice from the poor and middle class in the form of cuts to Social Security without asking any sacrifice from the rich.

    We are in this mess because of needless and costly war that has gone on too long. Tackle the deficit by avoiding costly war in the future, not by taking a bite out of the middle class.

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 8:07 p.m.

    Mitt Romney was rejected by over 60 million voters. I can't imagine the arrogance required to state that 60 million voters are unworthy of the American dream.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 7, 2012 7:49 p.m.

    Thank you Governor for your goodness, you excellence and your efforts to save this country from becoming another Greece. You were rejected by people far less worthy of the American dream than yourself! God bless you!