Dick Harmon: Understanding the whys of the 'Free Jimmer' movement

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  • Teddy Bear Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 10, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    Yet the Kings picked up the option on his contract next year. Why would they do that?

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Nov. 10, 2012 7:00 a.m.

    G Chris....
    Nope...never been to a King practice but have been to other team practices and can guarantee that a player who has a great practice earns minutes and good game minutes equals more game minutes.

    Also can guarantee you that PT is not rewarded upon how many triple doubles one racks up against Wyoming or Air Force...3 years ago.

    Jimmer will make a lot more dough than most of us in make inife, but it will be in Spain or Italy. Just not here. Write it down and call me King next year...

  • Champs Washington, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 12:46 a.m.

    Jimmer Fredette, Michael Cooper, Steve Kerr: hummmm....... Let's see. Two of them are proven NBA Champions. Two are proven defenders. Anyway, I'd vote for Jimmer for President (great guy) but not an NBA all-star. He will get another chance somewhere some day, maybe, but let's be real, what coach PINES the best players when his livelihood depends on wins and loses.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    The Lakers could use him if he will take the time to be a catch-and-shoot guy, ala Michael Cooper or Steve Kerr. That's the only way I see this working out for him.

    The Lakers need a shooting guard, why not Jimmer?

  • toocoolforcoug Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 8:21 a.m.

    Time for Jimmer to move on. I'm sure he can move back to Provo and get a MLM job. I believe they are doing sign ups for the rec basketball program right now. If he hurries he can get on a team. Face it, he is not an NBA player. Great for the cougs. Not for the pros. He does not know how to play D and he does not want to. Kareem did not play D either. He was all height and that's what made it possible for him to get away with it. Jimmer does not have the height or speed for the NBA. He will never have the respect you need to make it anywhere in that league.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Nov. 9, 2012 5:10 a.m.

    Jimmer would make a sensational County Rec. player. A world class Ward Ball player. He's not suited for the NBA. The reasons are many and diverse. Time for him to move on.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:37 p.m.

    The Kings are just plain lousy and it has to be either coaching (stinks) to players (potential, with right coaching), or both. I've seen this in the business world, where you put several prima donas in a room and try and coordinated effort. It's useless.

    Time will tell whether Fredette will make it in the U.S. (or Europe). We know he's good, but it has to be the right environment for him to shine.

  • Straitpath PROVO, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 7:21 p.m.

    It's heartbreaking to look at the picture of Jimmer.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 7:17 p.m.

    Jimmer is the bestest, gooderest player ever

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Nov. 8, 2012 6:29 p.m.


    Sounds like you've been at the Kings practices. Tell us about it.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 5:56 p.m.

    Amen Carnak!

    Good luck to both, but Lillard is the story now!

    Nov. 8, 2012 5:45 p.m.

    While Jimmer was a great college player, I didn't see him as being a strong pro player - too small (for a SG) and too slow (for a PG) to play at that level. The Kings certainly aren't giving him a chance to do anything and would probably be well served to make a trade. While I see him as being a potentially valuable role player for the right team, the comments that he could average 20+ points and a number of assists are crazy - for all his talents he is no Steve Nash, not even close.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Nov. 8, 2012 4:14 p.m.

    Jimmer just isn't NBA quality. Bottom line. Great for BYU, not great for NBA. Get over it.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 2:04 p.m.

    Lillard is the real story. Kid can flat out play.

    Jimmer - not so much.

  • haunyocker Springville, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    Dick's right. You can't pass the ball to the bench and expect the guy to score from there.

  • What Ever Salt Lake City,, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:28 p.m.

    @bballjunkie; You will always find offense in anything negative spoken or written about BYU, and their players, past or present. According to you, anyone who doesn't love Jimmer is a Ute fan, still angry about him torching Ute's pathetic teams. Or, they have no clue about what they are saying, they just speak because they hate BYU. You say your comment had nothing to do with Jimmer bashing, but judging him for where he is, which makes no sense when he is on the worst team/organization in the league. Then you go on to call me a hater Ute fan. That's why I threw my first comment out there...all the hater talk. Is everyone who doesn't share your opinion a hater Ute fan? Sounds bitter and paranoid to me. Guess we'll just agree to disagree, and hope we all won't be labeled haters.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:58 a.m.

    BYU fans love BYU players. Nothing wrong with Lillard. IF Davies makes the NBA we will all be watching him. Jimmer made a pile of assists the day he scored 47 or something in Phoenix. This was a good arcticle and we will see how it goes for Jimmer. I think another NBA team before Europe.

  • posterized Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:58 a.m.

    @Down Under he's not comparing Lillard to them, he's comparing Lillard's stats through the first three games. Which are very impressive. Best of luck to Jimmer and Lillard in the NBA. #freejimmer

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    I love BYU and I love Jimmer for his enthusiastic approach to basketball...however, he is not a great NBA talent yet. It must be very difficult to sit on the bench as much as he does after so much was expected. He needs to pay his dues, work hard and smart and his day will come. Whether his day is in the NBA or in Europe remains to be seen

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    I think it was obvious that Jimmer didn't fit into Sacramento from the point of view of basketball. The ownership thought he would sell tickets for them. You would think they would have figured by now that Jimmer's fans aren't going to buy season tickets to watch him sit on the bench or pass the ball to DeMarcus Cousins when he does get into games. You would think they would have traded him by now.

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:32 a.m.

    The reasons I post is because of comments from ute fans like you, My comment had nothing to do about bashing Jimmer, it had everything to do with people making judgment on him based on where he is, which makes no sense when he is on the worst team/organization in the league. And all the Haters are ute fans. So if you have an opinion and you’re not a bias ute fan then I am all ears. Nice thoughts though.

  • What Ever Salt Lake City,, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    @bballjunkie & Pete 1: Comments like yours are why I watch these posts. Anyone with anything negative to say about Jimmer is a HATER. The Kings coach is a HATER that wants to destroy Jimmer. The truth is, the Jimmer era is gone. He was a great college player, and gave BYU faithful something to cheer for at every game. Be grateful for the memories, cherish them. But don't label anyone who doesn't cling to Jimmer's past as a hater. It's time to move on. If he doesn't prove himself as a valuable player in the NBA, at least you have his glory days at BYU to bring you some much needed comfort. It is definitely time to stop playing the blame game, and the hate game. It's exhausting!

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    Oh, and I guess all of you experts watched the game last night. 12 points off the bench and played almost all of the 4th quarter (crunch time for the uninitiated). And he DOES distribute the ball!!! It is obvious that most of you don't watch the Kings games - therefore, you ARE experts. That being said, the Lakers would probably be a better fit for The Jimmer. He IS the man!

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:55 a.m.

    I wonder what life would be like if Jimmer was on the Spurs who have always had excellent outside shooting or even a Phoenix or a Denver.

    Please don't take this wrong because I belive Randy Foye is a huge asset for the Jazz. But Jimmer could play that kind of role for another team or even the Jazz before they picked up Randy. I am glad Randy is here but another team could use Jimmer in the same role.

    I suspect at the end of this season Jimmer will be let go by Sacramento if he isn't traded first. But what that means is that some lucky team will get a good shooter for next year. As a free agent there will be teams calling and some picking and choosing can take place.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:22 a.m.

    Excellent article.

    Jimmer is a scorer, so he needs shots. If he got lots of shots, here's what would happen: He would get into a rhythm and begin lighting up the scoreboard, just like in college. This would force opponents to double team, which would make it easier for the other Kings to score, because he's a good passer.

    By the way, college shooting percentages really don't tell us how good a shooter Jimmer was. That's because a great shooter's numbers go down when teams double- and triple-team, but the shooting percentages of his teammates go up, because they get more wide-open looks.

  • Old ball coach Sandy, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:01 a.m.

    The kings are a mess....have not been relevant since Webber and Divac....

    Jimmer is finding is way through the league...watching him, he struggles! I don't know if it is the limited playing time he receives, or doesn't fit in the offense in Sacramento. But from what I have seen from Jimmer, he struggles out there.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 7:57 a.m.

    Last year I watched the Kings play the awful Wizards. The Kings were really bad. I've seen better basketball on the playground. The best thing that could happen is for Jimmer to get released or traded, even if for a deck of cards.

  • sticks17 Midway, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 7:34 a.m.

    Great article Mr Harmon! I have conteded since draft day that he could have not gone to a worse situation! The worst franchise in the NBA and probably the worst coach in the NBA as well! I couldn't agree more with gchris, "He wanted to play on an NBA team and hasn't had the chance yet."

  • HCB63 Orem, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 6:29 a.m.

    The biggest problem with the Kings is the Maloof family. Their continued financial woes are hurting player moral, fan interest and being able to attract a quality coach. Next in line in this is the selfishness of the Sac. players as a whole. A number of them have stated to the media that they won't pass the ball to Fredette (or anyone else for that matter) because they feel that if they don't get shots and points they will lose their starting jobs. This skewed perspective is damaging to team unity, so we see the awful play the Kings are currently guilty of.
    If the Kings can be purchased and moved to Seattle, they will have an owner who doesn't just look at the team as a toy, but who is passionate about the game and who will make the personnel moves needed to return the team to contender status. Fredette may just have a chance if that were to happen.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 6:00 a.m.

    If you love something, set it free.

    Free Jimmer! He must be free to love!

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Nov. 8, 2012 5:07 a.m.

    This is nuts!

    Does anyone value practice? Does anyone realize that when a team practices Jimmer gets a lot of minutes? 5 on 5 requires almost the whole squad on the floor. If Jimmer scored 22 and 7 in practice he would be playing. He is a bust. Hundreds of college studs don't make it in the league.

    Bigger, faster and better is the leagues motto. In D-1 there are 2400 basketball players...in the NBA there are 500...the biggest, fastest and best of the 2400 make it. Others play in Europe...

    Chaoi Jimmer...

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 9:36 p.m.

    Apparently nobody sees the need for a slow,short white guy with a career 42% shooting average in college and worse in the pros?


  • dnay Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 9:15 p.m.

    The bottom line whether you like Jimmer or not is that you don't draft someone that high in the draft and set him up to fail, like the Kings. No wonder they have such a horrible organization and rarely win. They sign a guy who shoots a low shooting percentage and doesn't play great defense to a multi million dollar deal soon after you draft him, then they go out and throw money at another guard who is pretty much identical to Isaiah Thomas. They complain about the defense but from what I see no one on that team plays, plus I heard earlier they said Jimmer improved dramatically in that dept over the summer, last year he didn't have a pre season to work on anything. I don't know what kind of player he'll be but with his work ethic I think it can be a good one, but you don't quit on him after a shortened season on a selfish team. Not many guys go in and kick butt from the start so cut the guy some slack. Best thing would be to get away for Sacramento!

  • Duckhunted highland, utah
    Nov. 7, 2012 9:13 p.m.

    mmmm gunner

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 8:41 p.m.

    I love how people like junkgeek have no clue about what they are saying, they just speak because they hate BYU. I have said it for a while and agree with Dick on this article, people are judging Jimmer and his lack of success based on not only the worst team in the NBA,but the worst ran franchisee. No one and I mean no one knows how good or not this kid could or will be on such a poor team. I love ute fans, still angry about him torching your pathetic teams. And guess what it has not changed, your team is still bad. Soon you can vent your anger/hatred on Haws and company when they light your team up over the next several years.lol

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Nov. 7, 2012 8:19 p.m.

    He's Michael Smith all over again.

  • Pete 1 New Jersey, NJ
    Nov. 7, 2012 8:00 p.m.

    "smart" wants to destroy Fredette. The way he was out to destroy Lin at GS. only reason he is the coach of the Kings is because he "gets along " with Cousins. I saw every game last year and this year. EVERY time Fredette gets hot he yanks him. ‘saw Fredette score, 11,12 13 and 15 pts in a Quarter and "coach" sits him the rest of the game..

    the kings are off to another stellar start shooting less than 40% from the field. Jimmer is shooting over 70% from the field and smarty WONT PLAY HIM?

    This HATEFUL behavior and nobody see's this?! I bet my house that if Jimmer was on a real NBA team with real teammates that pass him the ball....he could avg 22ppg and 7 assists right now. Jimmer’s a triple threat...he can drive to the basket, pass as well as anyone and is one of the best shooters in the world...
    THE WORST defensive team in the league last year defense is a reflection of the coach & attitude of the team.....This coach is not only Hateful of one of his best players ..He's simply a CLUELESS guy .

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2012 7:58 p.m.

    Jimmer's problem is that he doesn't have confidence yet.

    He started out his NBA career by trying to please his teammates (without the benefit of a summer league and preseason to develop something), which put him in a position to not be as forceful as he was in college. That, combined with the rise of Isaiah that first year, sunk Jimmer's chances of improving.

    Sure, he'll never be a great defender, no more than Nash has, but like Nash, he can find his niche that'll make him memorable because he still does have that long range capability, which no other NBA player past or present has. Once his confidence comes back (with playing time, not bench time), his long-range reputation will be developed.

    Even though Smart won't play him, he's said that Jimmer sees things many other NBA players don't. Smart knows Jimmer can be an effective PG in the league, but defense and inconsistency (lack of confidence) keep him off the floor.

    It might not hurt Jimmer to play overseas a few years to get his feet solidly on the ground as a pro.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 6:48 p.m.

    This is the key quote:

    "You see Kings players come down the court hunting for shots with blinders on. They have no teammates; assists are scarce; passes rare, set plays are a foreign exercise. It’s every man for himself — one man against five."

    So that perfectly fits Jimmer!

    What is the problem? The Jimmer universe is exactly what it should be. Jimmer was destined to collect slivers watching his teammates play parking lot basketball.

  • Down under Pullman, WA
    Nov. 7, 2012 6:16 p.m.

    Uncle Pico,Please don't compare Lillard to Magic or Oscar. He is not in the same league, (telent wise)the full season will prove it out.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 6:03 p.m.

    I simply love the continued moronic Jimmer bashing. It's a clear indication of intelligence.

    For a young man that loves the game so much and to not have the chance must be miserable.

    #freeJimmer is a just cause. I certainly hope something happens soon for him. Europe or any other team would be better than this.

    Good luck Jimmer. Hang in there!

  • localblue Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 5:17 p.m.

    The thing about Jimmer is even when called upon to catch and shoot, he has not been spectacular. I haven't looked up the stats but I think Jimmer is shooting about average for his team. If he could be a consistent threat from the outside he might have more of an argument. That of course takes practice and experience but that's hard to come by in this league and particularly with this team. He may be better of heading to Europe to get some minutes and then coming back with more confidence. Or we may have to get used to the fact that he could be a bust.

  • GD Syracuse, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 5:14 p.m.

    I think Jimmer could be a value to the right team. To me he looks lost on defense. I'm sure most of that is quickness that he lacks. He definitely is strong enough, which is why he did so well in college.
    Just a thought. GD

  • Jazzledazzle Provo, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    @ Uncle Rico

    I will be the first to say Jimmer will not be a star in the NBA, I said that before he was drafted. But he is on a dysfunctional team with no discipline and they are trying to make him a point guard, which he is not. Jimmer can fill the role of a reserve that gives you 20 minutes a night and scores 10 points off the bench, being an outside threat as well.

    I can't call him a bust, cause I did not expect him to be an all star, but he can play basketball as he showed the nation, he just needs the right fit that will use him the right way.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 4:17 p.m.

    Why no articles about Lillard?

    Lillard had more points and assists in his first game than Jimmer's career high in both.

    Please write some articles about Weber State's Damian Lillard (most experts say he or Anthony Davis will be rookie of the year, and so far Lillard has played better).

    Jimmer is a bust. Lillard is the real deal.
    (3 players ever have had 20 points and 10 assists in their first NBA game:
    Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, and Damian Lillard )

  • sdunn Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 4:10 p.m.

    I think a lot of basis of this besides Jimmer does not play or belong on this team is that they don't pass the ball it is a run down the floor and shoot the ball or drive to the basket. The Kings will never be a good team with this group of guys. #freejimmer

  • Fibonacci Centerville, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 3:41 p.m.

    Dick Harmon is exactly right. Jimmer is in a no-win situation and he's a much better basketball player in the Kings would have him believe he is. Some have suggested that Jimmer isn't being played because of his skin color. I sure hope that's not the case. What ever the reason - #freejimmer ASAP.

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 3:31 p.m.

    Sounds like jhurst82 is of the impression that Jimmer is a me-first player, and that would be inaccurate. There is a reason most around the country did not know about Jimmer until his senior year. Dave Rose saw what he could do on offense and ran the offense through him as he became a better player. He also told him to leave the defense to Jackson Emery. But Jimmer did not start out being the go-to guy on offense; he did what the coaches asked him to do. Can he thrive in the NBA? My guess is that he could, but if we're expecting Jimmer to do what he did in college, the makeup of the team would have to be at least a little similar, where everyone understood their roles and it was most certainly not every man for himself.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Nov. 7, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    Great article! I have watched every game since Jimmer joined the Kings (not sure they ever realized that he had joined them) and Harmon summed up their team perfectly. As for Jimmer not being a "distributor," he may be the only one on the team. Smart has told him to shoot, shoot, shoot. If he passes the ball, he'll either never get it back or get benched for not scoring. Jimmer needs to get out of town. He wanted to play on an NBA team and hasn't had the chance yet.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 3:19 p.m.


    You obviously don't understand how to take advantage of a deadly, spot-up shooter with range, which is exactly why Jimmer's talent is going to waste with the Kings, neither do they.

    I'd suggest watching replays of some of Jimmer's BYU games to see how a great basketball coach like Coach Rose utilized Jimmer's unique skill set.

  • aunt lucy Looneyville, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 3:12 p.m.

    Jimmer who?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 7, 2012 3:03 p.m.

    Time for a trade. I'd like to see him with a winner.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 3:02 p.m.

    I believe what Harmon is referring to here is that although in college Jimmer could create his own shot, that becomes more difficult in the NBA and he therefore needs someone to pass him the ball at a moment where he is in a position to shoot it. If no one is passing at all, he can't get his hands on the ball, therefore cannot score, therefore does not play.

  • jhurst82 Holladay, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 2:22 p.m.

    Not quite sure I completely understand this article. So the Kings obviously have a huge problem with ball distribution. My question is how does Jimmer fix this? Jimmer has never been known for his ability to distribute the ball. If anything it sounds like Jimmer fits right in with this group of shoot if you are lucky enough to possess the ball.