Religion, marriage and the GOP's demographic challenge brought to the fore by 2012 election

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  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 5:50 a.m.

    From the Deseret news...

    Gallup Poll Majority of Americans support gay marriage By Elizabeth Stuart DSNews 05 20 2011

    For the first time since Gallup started studying the issue in 1996, the polling organization found a majority of Americans favor legalizing same-sex marriage.

    Ten states now allow gay marriage in just eight years.

    Choose the right side of history.

  • sacerdos Harrisburg, PA
    Nov. 7, 2012 11:22 p.m.

    Skullduggery, intrigue and machinations. That is what I call this type of politics where Catholics are led to the slaughter, so to speak, so as to appease their detractors. "Your enemy's enemy is my friend" appears to be the modus operandi. Attack the Church so bishops have no alternative but fight back in the courts is reminiscent of the Soviet style of governance during their occupation of Poland. Make friends with the enemies of the Church by appearing as a fellow opponent. This duplicity evidently worked and many naive Catholics still voted for Obama despite his flagrant pro-abortion position, meanwhile, those who hate and detest the Church lend their support to the party that appears to share their disdain with ecclesiastical entities and religious associations espousing traditional values. Who's next on the list?

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 8:05 p.m.

    Liberals/progressives don't care about your religion. Practice it to your heart's desire.

    We do care about having it legislated. I'm not a member of your church and am not bound by it's rules.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 4:57 p.m.

    @ Brave Sir Robin: Actually, the quote is 40 - not 30....

    And "liberal" and "conservative" at the time the statement was made bear no resemblance to the current meaning of "liberal" and "conservative" - so the quote really has no application to current events.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 4:14 p.m.

    clamp down on the Catholic churches desire to restrict individuals religious freedom? If that just occurred to you then you are way behind the conversation on this subject. By the way protecting individual freedoms from religions desire to overreach is indeed liberal.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Nov. 7, 2012 11:53 a.m.

    the empty rhetoric of many of the posters once again proves that some on the far right just plain do not get it. If you want to be relevant to the conversation again it is simple abandon the same empty rhetoric that lost you two presidential elections and start offering real world common sense solutions.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Nov. 7, 2012 11:01 a.m.

    Winston Churchill once said "if you're not liberal at 20, you don't have a heart. If you're not conservative at 30, you don't have a brain."

    Unfortunately, yesterday millions of Americans proved they don't have a brain.

    The problem with the GOP right now is they keep trying to bring social issues into play. Romney was doing quite well until some southern Republican yokels starting spouting off about conception from rape, gay marriage, prayer in schools, etc. That's when races all over the country (not just the presidential race) starting swinging in favor of Democrats.

    If Republicans want to become relevant again, they need to put a gag order in place when it comes to talking about social issues and focus on the one thing they are good at: Economics.

  • Civil Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 10:39 a.m.

    There were 1,210,000 abortions in the U.S. in 2007
    84% to unmarried women
    89% performed at 13 weeks or less

    Only a small fraction of those are could be due to rape, incest, or mother's health concerns. (Pregnancies due to rape could be handled by the morning-after pill, preventing formation of a fetus.)

    Control over their bodies? If they controlled their passions and bodies, chose wisely the men they associated with, there wouldn't be a need for birth control or for murder of a MILLION un-born innocents. This isn't a "blame the victim" post -- make better choices.

    41% of all births are to unmarried women. Do women now care so little for their children that they willingly bring children into the world without doing so with a man they love, trust, and respect enough to marry?

    Women fought so long to be "equal" have now fallen far below the values their gender once held. That women are playing such a clear and leading role in the decline of our society should shock and sadden us all. That it doesn't, and that these are the people Obama counted on, speaks sad volumes.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Nov. 7, 2012 10:08 a.m.

    I just did a double take when I thought abuot this article. When the Obama camp decided to go after Catholics, what they were doing is clamping down on freedom of conscience. So they are restricting human rights for political expediency? How liberal is that?

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Nov. 7, 2012 9:58 a.m.

    The Democrats have rhetoric about who they will help. But their actions are for campaign contributors. The downtrodden play second string to the Democrats campaign contributors. The Republicans are stuck in arguing who is the most conservative to see that there is a huge hole in American politics where the Democrats' principles used to be. How dumb can you be to lose the women vote to a candidate endorsed by Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt?

    Romney gained momentum in the last month when he begun to take a populist tone. The Republicans need to figure out how to take a liberal stand (in the traditional sense of the word) while being true to their values. The Democrats have not.

  • johnnylingo62 Gray, TN
    Nov. 7, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    The article shows the Core Family Organization and its "values" are eroding in America. This is an important issue. When Core Family values erode, society falters as a whole. History has shown this over and over again. We have been warned what happens when "good is called evil and evil is called good". When 40% of babies are born to unwed mothers -which means no father to support the child, government becomes the source for welfare assistance and so the snowball effect begins and now a generation of Urbanites who look to government as the means to subsist rolls forward. Unfortunately, the government does not have the financial or moral means to support this downward spiraling situation.
    I'm looking at the future with less hope that Families will be strengthened and instead selfishness will prevail as individuals continue to "game the system" to see how much they can eek out of a system that is broken and morally bankrupt. I pray it doesn't get worse, but reading "The Family: A Proclamation To the World" written in 1995 is prophetic to our day almost two decades later.

  • BYUCOLORADO Castle Rock, CO
    Nov. 7, 2012 7:30 a.m.

    “The Republican party has lost the ability to communicate — not just with Hispanics, but also with gays and young people,” Kotkin said. “And the question now is whether they have to be so dependent on white mothers, fathers, grandmothers and grandfathers.”

    I think this is very true, I think the GOP has to rely on old white folk at this point. I also think it will sway more and more in the favor of the Democrats as time goes on. I used to consider myself a Republican. Now I can't see a reason to vote Republican.

    I also loved the fight Obama picked with the Catholic Church. We need more of those fights, where a faith is trying to limit the rights of others based on "feelings." If you want to limit other's actions you must do it on objective, reliable information. Not a dusty book written.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 6:49 a.m.

    There are three different "Catholic votes" - the traditional one, the women Catholics, and the Latino Catholics. Obama wisely challenged only the traditional Catholics, and brought the other two groups into his camp.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 6:36 a.m.

    Romney should have rejected the far right on immigration and reached out to hispanic voters. His own church has asked for a return to civility and humanity when debating immigration issues To ad he chose to listen to talk radio pundits instead of the wise counsel of church leaders.

    Nov. 7, 2012 6:29 a.m.

    The GOP and Romney lost the election because too many Americans did not buy into the idea that the Barack Presidency is not the failure Romney tried to portray.

    Many of us know that Obama has succeeded in stopping the free fall economy caused by the reckless policies of the previous 8 years.

  • pat1 Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 5:58 a.m.

    "White, religious, married voters." If that is what you think the Republican party stands for, then no wonder Romney lost the election. I am offended by that remark. Race shouldn't be an issue. (I'm caucasian). Many people are religious who aren't Christians. The problem with the Republican party is the extreme right is ruining it. I'm a moderate Mormon who voted for Romney because I'm generally against 2-term presidents, but he made some tactical errors and was wrong on some points. The people in my family who have suffered the most economically hit bottom in 2008, not in the last 4 years. A president doesn't create jobs unless he is a dictator. And Romney's comments about the 47% couldn't be overcome. He came across as a wealthy man who has absolutely no understanding of the working man and woman.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 5:38 a.m.

    Brookings Institute claims the Obama administration intentionally picked a fight against the Catholic Church. Oh please, they are a partisan source. That is a baseless claim. A fair acquisation would be they stood up to the right wing of this country who wants goverment to take away our personal decisions about morality.