Your boss can tell you how to vote thanks to the Supreme Court

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  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 6:59 a.m.

    The hyperbole, spin, and fabrication lost you the election. What do you hope to gain by continuing such nonsense?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:50 p.m.


    "My question for you is: Why would you feign shock at a high figure and then later rationalize it away as if it were no big deal?:"

    LOL Well said! He/she is just spinning their head trying to keep their nonsense from contradicting other nonsense they say.

    My question:

    Why are the rich paying millions already and being forced to pay even more.

    Fact: Mitt paid over $2 million in taxes last year.
    Fact: the average American paid less than 1% of what Mitt paid.


    When Mitt drives on the road does his car do 100 times the damage that mine does?

    Nope. We do the same damage. We should both pay for the damage we do.

    Does Mitt's wealth cause the police force to multiply?


    He and I should pay the same.

    Rich people:

    I'm sorry there are so many lazy people not willing to pay for what they USE.

  • On the other hand Riverdale, MD
    Nov. 8, 2012 5:58 a.m.

    Maybe David Siegel needs to hire more people in swing states.

  • non believer PARK CITY, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    Hello again Hawkeye79

    I never rationalized taxes as high as the 50- to 75% or more. I think IJ's comments are fear tactics. Throwing out numbers that he pulled from a hat with no factual basis behind them.

    So you are saying a 4.6% increase, back to where they used to be is unreasonable? You feel that continued cuts are the solution for bringing the debt down?

    I am shocked that anyone who does not think taxes will have to be increased is living in a fantasy world.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 6, 2012 3:13 p.m.

    Hi JoeBlow,

    You seem to be suggesting that a person's tax rate automatically decreases as they earn more money. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    It is true that the capital gains tax rate is lower than traditional tax rates, but that is because our economy is stronger when more people are willing to invest their money. When the wealthy take a look at their post-tax dollars, I would hope that they will be willing to reinvest them in organizations that can hire more workers.

    Every time the capital gains rate is increased, more companies (especially small businesses) lose out on funding. There are many business ideas that are viable investments at a 15% tax rate, but no longer viable at 35%, 25%, or even 20%.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 3:10 p.m.

    @ Hawkeye79: I'm a little confused - IJ states that if Obama is re-elected, taxes will go up 50-75% or more, non believer points out that if the Bush cuts expire, taxes will go up 4.6% on the top tax bracket - you then state that does not take into account any taxes other than federal income taxes.

    What do taxes other than federal income taxes have to do with who is President?

    4.6% is $46,000 on $1,000,000. People paid more than that to have dinner with Romney. But now we are supposed to believe that paying that will prevent them from keeping their business open or will discourage them from working?

    Business owners are going to forfeit $604,000 over $46,000? Anyone who thinks that is good math and makes sense, shouldn't be running a business anyway!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 6, 2012 2:53 p.m.

    "I think you'll find that 39.6% is a VERY low figure."

    Unless you then take into account the deductions for dependents, mortgage, long term capital gains, IRA and Roth Contributions, etc etc.

    The average effective top federal tax rate is well under 25%. And for the really rich, like Mr Romney, it is under 15%.

    No, 50-75% is not realistic. Not by a long shot.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 2:47 p.m.

    "If taxes are increased on people to the point of 50 - 75% or more"

    Nobody anywhere is proposing that.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 6, 2012 2:11 p.m.

    Hi non believer,

    I'm glad that you are aware that the 50-75% tax figure is not unrealistic. In your post above you seemed shocked when another commenter had suggested it. In fact, you called it a "scare tactic."

    My question for you is: Why would you feign shock at a high figure and then later rationalize it away as if it were no big deal?

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 1:53 p.m.

    It used to be illegal? I don't think so. Not in my lifetime. Your boss could always tell you how to vote. But he could never go in the booth with you.
    An interesting historical event involved the Hoover Dam workers. Management was pushing Hoover, but FDR won hands down in Boulder City.
    So...your boss can tell you what he wants and you can ignore him.

  • non believer PARK CITY, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    Howdy there Hawkeye79

    They would only return to where they were prior to his cuts. The same amount they had been paying for years prior to 2001.

    In my personal opinion, they need to expire for all American's. There is no way spending cuts alone are going to make a dent in 16 trillion.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 6, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    Hi non believer,

    Now that you have considered the federal income tax rate, make sure to add in a state tax rate, sales tax rate, payroll taxes, and all other taxes that businesses are subjected to.

    I think you'll find that 39.6% is a VERY low figure.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Nov. 6, 2012 1:11 p.m.

    Saying you want Romney to win is free speech. Saying you'll lay off thousands of employees if Obama wins is crossing the line. If the Deseret News story is accurate, I would think this guy would be in deep legal jeopardy no matter who wins.

  • non believer PARK CITY, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    To IJ

    If the Bush tax cuts were to expire, the Rich would go from 35% (the highest bracket) to 39.6% a whopping 4.6% increase. Where do you get these 50 to 75% figures from? Scare tactics only work on the weak minded!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 12:49 p.m.

    IJ, realities or fantasies?

  • non believer PARK CITY, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    Why would anyone take any advice from David Siegel? If they raise his taxes then he will not be able to complete his 90,000 sq ft Versailles mansion with a 6000 sq ft master bedroom..... Oh boo hoo! He could care less about his employee's since it is all about him!

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    If you close up shop or reduce staff based on the results of an election, you won't be missed. The great thing about this country and capitalism is that there is always someone else ready to step up and do the job you gave up on.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Nov. 6, 2012 12:28 p.m.

    Bosses, bossy spouses, parents, children, siblings, and friends can push and intimidate others during the election cycle. Vote what your heart tells you is right.
    No one need ever know who you voted for.
    If you feel frightened and intimidated into having to share that precious, private information, I am very sorry for you.

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    Nov. 6, 2012 12:17 p.m.

    I wouldn't say they are telling them how to vote. I would say they are explaining the harsh realities. If taxes are increased on people to the point of 50 - 75% or more, you wouldn't keep working either. It would just be easier to go on the dole. In fact, why don't we all just go on government assistance and see how long that lasts.