Liberal Mormon and conservative Catholic join forces for religious freedom

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  • BlueEyesFr Paris, 00
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:07 a.m.


    Further..... some times atheist and unreligious people have better and more moral values and far more humanity, even if their life is not always perfect, than some religious people who declare and are convinced that women should submit to men (what a mockery of love ) and hail polygamist as moral and saints, while insulting women with the W letter for just tryig to live and to love. In the end, some of these unbelieving people, who think that God has done enough harm to women or others, may even have better families than the religious ones.

    No wonder that many people, and women in particular, have stopped believing that God will solve the world problem and certainly theirs .... it seems that too often religious people use God to justify abuses, particularly against those not of their faith or more liberal in their lifestiles and, in a more general manner, against women.

  • BlueEyesFr Paris, 00
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:06 a.m.

    The mormons and the Jewish are not the only communities who suffered persecution ... if you look at the world history .... many communities have and still do, not just them ..... and sometimes by these very same communities who claim to be the only victims of persecution

    What about the persecution of women in the name of religions or the abuse of women by men all over the world, the religions men some times being the worse in the abuse and oppression

    Or what about the persecution of free and atheist women by religious people ?

    We witness everyday how some religions feel justified in the name of God to lapidate women or forbid them from working or having access to contraception because men, who have excluded women from the religious debate, make the rule in their favour or at the expense of women's views and freedoms and voice.... really i wonder some times who is the most persecuted in this world ..

    To be continued

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 5:48 p.m.

    Group 1 violates the rights of Group 2.
    Not only this, but they do it extremely offensively way, on the Church's alter.
    Government punishes group 1 for violating the law and doing so in a way that threatens the peaceful and free practice of freedom of another group.

    Now a "Liberal Mormon" is considered newsworthy for saying that religious freedom is somehow threatened by the legal action taken here. That somehow group 1 is a victim here.

    This is a derailment of rational thought. With respect, I don't believe the Deseret News is reporting anything praiseworthy or of good note here.

    If someone did this on an alter in an LDS Temple, the Deseret News would have had a different viewpoint. I'm not even saying we shouldn't forgive them or that 2 years isn't a heavy sentence. But we're not talking about punishing a small act, but a serious violation of the religious freedom of others. To even suggest that these criminals are somehow victims here is disappointing to me.

    I respect what is sacred to other religious peoples, not just my own. It isn't free speech to violate someone else's property rights to protest them.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 6, 2012 3:36 p.m.

    If she is truly concerned about religious freedom (and it seems she is), it won't be long until she is a committed conservative.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 2:45 p.m.

    Irony... Dalai Lama (front & center in the photo accompanying the article) IMO has the best grasp on moral/spiritual issues of any religious leader out there.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    where are all your muslim friends when communities try to block lds temples from being built? lds are not victims. glad you are a liberal because liberals always like to be portrayed as victims.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    I wonder where the conservatives who espouse Religous Freedom, were when Muslims wanted an Islamic Cultural Center built in New York.

    I got reamed by my fellow Latter-Day Saints here in Utah for supporting them.

    BTW - Jesus taught us all about Karma....
    What goes around, comes around.

  • tigger AMERICAN FORK, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 11:16 a.m.

    Cool work. Glad they are making the world better.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 6, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    It always amazes me how people will try to tie any article about anything into their hate filled views on Obama. If dinner didn't turn out right, it is because of the EPA and Obama's hatred of coal.

    Why in the world could the discussion stay about the topic, this woman and the work she does.

    Nope... this was secretly about Obama's secret obsession to destroy religion in the country.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 10:22 a.m.

    Religion. Freedom. Anathema.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 9:50 a.m.

    In the US news we don't hear much about innocent deaths from US drone strikes, Benghazi, and other Obama Issues. If this were Romney, we will. We heard all the numbers in Iraq and Afghanistan under Bush. Can you remember when the mainstream press listed the number of deaths in Afghanistan? 2/3rds of which are in the last four years.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 9:12 a.m.

    "They can't even show the video on the News here"? So Obscene? Vandalism? Sorry, the event can be viewed online. I watched it and did not see anything that was obscene or vandalized. Though I'm sure the lyrics (in russian) may have been obscene and the actions of the group were inappropriate for the setting, and likely inappropriate anywhere. We should count our blessings that we enjoy freedom of speech in the US and should not fear imprisonment if we say something contrary to the powers in government.

    What is obscene is that a lot of news that should be important to the american people and the direction of our country is not delivered in mainstream media news. In the US news we don't hear much about innocent deaths from US drone strikes, Pvt. Bradley Manning, Wiki Leaks, blocking of govt. whistleblowers, behind the scenes trade agreements, freedoms taken in the name of national security...

    It's ironic that a russian sponsored news station delivers this news online. It's good to get information from different sources and perpectives.

    If Satan had been chosen to direct the affairs of earth these obscenities would not have been allowed.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Nov. 6, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    I wonder if George is conflicted by his apparently contradictory views on multiculturalism and Russia’s extremism laws. It is possible that the Russian law goes too far – persecuting Jehovah’s Witnesses seems beyond the pale – but it may also be a valid attempt to protect their country from faiths that, for example, believe the surest way to eternal paradise is to kill an infidel. He seems to acknowledge this later when he states there is nothing wrong with “protecting people from bad acts that are done in the name of religion.”

    This is the dark underbelly of institutionalized religious tolerance – our own western liberal views and laws may be protecting views that are deranging people into performing acts of pure evil. Not sure where to draw the line, but my gut tells me it is north of tolerance of views like these.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    In addition, I find it interesting that when an article reveals that the Putin regime is cracking down hard on dissidents and violating human rights, and that an LDS woman is assisting in the battle to preserve those sacred rights, the single item that some Desnews readers ring their hands over is the name of the punk band?

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 8:45 a.m.

    John H,

    The punk group in question sang a salacious little tune about Putin and danced around the altar. The Church called it "blasphemy," not vandalism. But whatever they did, does it warrant a two-year prison sentence? The women have been denied bail throughout the process.

  • JohnH Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 8:18 a.m.

    In an article about religious freedom, I find it interesting that the Deseret News would censor the name of the group. What about freedom of speech? As for religious freedom, does it include th right to vandalize a church? That's what the "punk rock group that cannot be named" did.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 8:07 a.m.


    How is recognizing individual choice an attack on religious freedom? Does the freedom belong to the institutional Church or to individuals? Couldn't we also view it as restraining a religious institution that wants to remove coverage for legal medical practices and procedures? And incidentally, birth control reduces abortions.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 7:49 a.m.

    I had to chuckle that the reporter wove a story including the Russian punk rock group that must not be named. Modesty points for the Deseret News.

  • 5 Orem, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 7:48 a.m.

    Why are the efforts of this group focusing only on international religious freedom. It seems to me that they should focus at least some on the attack on religious freedom here by the Obama administration. Forcing the Cathlic church to coveer abortions and contreceptives in their health care coverage is only a small part of the abuse of government. And how will those same mandates affect LDS church's health care covarage?

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 6:12 a.m.

    "The severe sentence imposed on protestors for trespassing in a Moscow church — the court called it “hooliganism” — may at first glance seem like an odd focal point for a U.S. religious freedom advocate. The punkers were, after all, behaving somewhat irreligiously."

    The acts of these punkers were so obscene on the Church they would have been arrested in San Francisco let alone Russia. They can't even show the video on the U.S. news. Everyone in the world should be protected from protestors like these. Religion is not the only issue here.