Pulpit politics: Churchgoers encouraged to vote but few being told who to vote for

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  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 3:49 p.m.

    kargirl: I'm a little let down that you didn't share those same thoughts with Bebyebe, who committed the same faux pas as ute alumni.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 7:30 a.m.

    Bebyebe: I've never sat in a single meeting in my 56 years in which anyone was told who to vote for. Nor was their ever a message as to who to vote for. That's not to say it's never happened somewhere, but to insinuate that everyone "knows" who they are supposed to vote for is an unfair insinuation.

    XelaDave: Be honest now. Did your SP actually come out and say "Vote for Mitt Romney", or was it, as you stated: "...America [will be] under condemnation if things [don't] change." I realize that may be quibbling at nits, but those are two completely different statements, and the second can be taken in more than one way. Just saying.

  • Texanrob Galveston, TX
    Nov. 4, 2012 5:52 a.m.

    No one should be told who to vote for, either by a church, employeer, family or anyone.

  • kargirl Sacramento, CA
    Nov. 3, 2012 9:58 p.m.

    ute alumni, I'm so happy you know so much about all the "libs" and what they want, and that you are, unlike most of us cognizand of what "anyone that has lived through the last four years" knows. I have one question, then. How come I don't know YOU personally, and you, obvously, don't know ME either...if you did, and if you knew those who have all written our thoughts here, would you not have talked with us personally to share your feelings, since you already know ours? No? This is what happens when a person assumes knowledge of what an entire group is, knows, or stands for or against, and what anyone knows, or doesn't know about something or someone. Not all of us have your crystal ball, my friend. I will be surprised if this is printed, but I don't appreciate being put in a big basket and have my opinion, knowledge, wishes, or other attributes assumed to be known by someone who has no idea who I am.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Nov. 3, 2012 8:53 p.m.

    libs want freedom of expression as long as it supports their ideas. members of any church can express their support from ant candidate as long as it is their personal expression , not as though it is the church's position and not from the pulpit.
    besides anyone that has lived through the last four years knows this community organizer is just not up for the task and will be planning community picnics come January.

  • JRJ Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 3, 2012 7:43 p.m.

    To Mr Bebyebe: No the dominant religion in Utah is NOT told overtly or covertly who to vote for. It is shameful of you to even indicate that. Members may talk about who they would like and they may do it on the church campus, but they are NOT told by the church what to do or who to vote for.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Nov. 3, 2012 7:36 p.m.

    Living in southern Utah county I have been told who to vote for explicitly from the pulpit in a stake mtg two weeks ago and it was not the guy in the WH right now I was told to vote for- it was not a rogue member who did this- it was the SP and we were told America would be under condemnation if things did not change- first time I had ever heard it in my life but it was said from the pulpit in an open mtg- a week later there was a message trying to clarify since apparently many complained but it was said

  • kargirl Sacramento, CA
    Nov. 3, 2012 7:11 p.m.

    Whatever person one wishes to vote for, I have to say that VP Biden's words, when asked during the debate, were spot-on. His statement that his personal belief and support for his religious teachings could not be forced upon those who do not share them. That expresses, at well as any could have, the belief in free agency we hold dear. In spite of opinions on the rest of the elections or the candidates, those words are some of the most important to think about.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 3, 2012 2:33 p.m.

    Pulpit neutrality in the LDS Church hasn't always been the case. There was quite a rift among the Brethren over Woodrow Wilson and the League of Nations and it occasionally spilled over into General Conference. You'd never hear of such a division these days.
    And the Saints sometimes parted with Church Headquarters. Utah voted for FDR time and time again, despite the lack of support from the Brethren.
    These days the IRS can play hardball if they smell partisanship.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 3, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    It's an exercise in spatial geometry. No matter how close to endorsement you get, you can always close the gap by half again and not make the leap.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Nov. 3, 2012 10:50 a.m.

    Numerous Catholic Bishops, throughout the United States, are in serious trouble due to their partisan preaching during the 2012 Presidential campaign.
    Again. it is always beneficial to read several national newspapers. So very helpful in decision making!
    Also, assists one in garnering complete and diverse information as to goings on In America and elsewhere in our world.

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    Nov. 3, 2012 10:39 a.m.

    Really BBB? Do you attend that dominant culture church? Cause my 50 years in Utah, never heard anything over the pulpit about who to vote for. Now my husband here in MO remembers one time someone getting up and saying to vote for someone, it was a black bishop telling people to vote for Jesse Jackson.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 3, 2012 10:25 a.m.

    A few years ago I would have agreed with you, but the globalists in the church are shifting back to the left. (Think FDR.)
    The LDS church is softer on the gay issue (editing President Packer's conference talk for example) and harder on those who oppose politicians who take a soft stand on immigration issues. In fact, concern about the impact of solid conservatives within the church has led to statements about compassion for illegal aliens and encouraging participation in local caucuses in an effort to balance the politically-active Tea Party.
    I see these as signals that the church leadership is moving back to the left.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Nov. 3, 2012 8:07 a.m.

    In utah the dominant culture is told who to vote for. It may not be explicitly stated but the message is given nonetheless.