captain Kirk - Nobody is asking you to accept it as beig "right", but
allowing it to be legal. Drinking alcohol is wrong to some, but it is still
LEGAL to do by those who choose to do so. Having intimate relationships with
those of another sex can be viewed as not right, but that is still legal to do.
So why people want to force what they think is right on others is beyond me. You
don't have to think it is right, but it should still be legal. They should
have the freedom to choose just as you do. Don't get me wrong, I don't
think it is right either, but hey its not my choice or my life so I don't
care if they do it or not.
@paganHow about the 80+ societies that JD Unwin studied?I have lived
in France and my opinion is that yes they are struggling. Do you really
think the downfall happens overnight? It doesn't necessarily mean the
country stops existing. The social energy to build and produce wains.
per non believer...You reminded me of that old joke; Why do men die
first? Because, they want to.
The downfall of those societies? Canada, France, Spain.
Waiting for that downfall. Claiming something, does not make it
@PaganJust being popular does not make something right.History
shows that most societies do end up accepting homosexuality and sexual freedom
of all sorts. But this precedes the downfall of those societies.I
don't think that puts us on the right side of history.
Gallup Poll: Majority of Americans support gay marriage By Elizabeth Stuart
DSNews 05 20 2011 For the first time since Gallup started studying
the issue in 1996, the polling organization found a majority of Americans favor
legalizing same-sex marriage. Choose the right side of history.
The article does seem to suggest that it is HAPPY marriages that lead to better
health, longevity etc. We need to talk more about happy marriages, to find out
how many marriages are happy and why. In other words, it might be helpful to
discover what are the elements of a happy marriage and to get very specific, and
un-pc about that.Unhappy marriages, those that end in divorce, would
not be counted in the statistics upon which such articles as this one rely,
I'm thinking. This would discount an awful lot of awful marriages.
Conclusion: happy people live longer than miserable ones?I think we
are right to compare "common law" marriages with legal ones, and casual
relationships with committed ones, but I would love to see a good, objective,
comparison between happy and unhappy marriages. I suspect that men married to
"entitled", sexist women are often miserable, and vice versa.
Spendthrift partners bog you down with debt and financial insecurity,
hypercritical partners drag you down emotionally, etc etc etc. Yet "who can
find a virtuous woman?". Truly her price is above rubies.
With some marriages, you just wish you were dead!
@BlueEyesFrIs it not likely that the lack of good men is a direct
result of the "sexual revolution" and the attack on marriage and family
that has been going on for several decades?Men are not expected to
be men anymore. Today's men are raised outside of marriage, Today's
men get the milk for free and are not expected to make a lifelong commitment to
a woman before having sex and children with her. In welfare culture,
today's men are not even expected to provide for and raise children. Women refuse to marry so they can get welfare.The government subsidizes
this behavior with a check.Women have children with several different men
so that they can get bigger welfare checks.I personally know some who have
done this. It happens.Did we think that when we destroyed marriage
and morality that there would not be consequences to society? Did we really
think that life would get better when we removed the shackles of old fashioned
values?More likely nobody is thinking at all. They just want to be free to
do what they want.
It is disturbing how so many want to revile and change marriage because it
doesn't fit with the lifestyle they want to live. @spring
streetWhat science are you talking about?J.D. Unwin, an Oxford
sociologist, probably made the best study of this and published a book called
"Sex and Culture". He studied the history of over 80 cultures and found
a direct link between cultural advancement and the strict regulation of
sexuality. Cultures that only allowed sex in marriage advanced. Cultures that
promoted sexual freedom stopped advancing and fell apart. He was surprised and
dismayed by the results because he was not a religious man.Pitirim Sorokin
(Father of sociology at Harvard) built on Unwin's work with his social
cycle theory. His work also suggests that we are in a decline because we are
obsessed with sexuality and materialism.Of course, While never
disproved ... most want to ignore this work and common sense.It
seems like so much "science" today can't see the forest for the
trees because people are obsessed with proving their "modern" lifstyles
to be good. They look at outcomes that are too narrow and subjective only to
forget the big picture.
@cottagecheese if you look at at the science (which is not hate by the
way) it is actually very easy to argue against.
Haters will hate. Detractors will detract. Marriage between a man
and a woman is still the most fundamental and important relationship on this
earth. The success of society relies heavily upon the upholding and success of
marriage and families.Any correlation between the steep decline in
morality, civility and prosperity and the attack upon the family and the
institution of marriage? Its hard to argue against.
"Either poorly written or poorly stated, doesn't everyone die?"I was about to say the same thing. Makes it sound like marriage allows
80% of men to be immortal. Quick, someone find me a bride, I want to live
forever!This news story is very light on details about this new
research study; it would be nice if the reporter clearly & accurately
reported the results and what the study authors believe is the cause of the
All good reasons to allow same-sex couples to marry; unless, of course, you WANT
them to die younger as they can only cohabitate and continue to not be able to
"They found that the rate of mortality among men in cohabitating
relationships dropped by 80 percent, while the rate dropped 59 percent for
women".----Either poorly written or poorly stated,
doesn't everyone die?
Is this something that government considers a problem that creates too many
elderly people on entitlements? It is something they will target to put a stop
to.What keeps people alive and active is caring for a mate and doing
for each other. The deadliest sin is inactivity and complacency in a
relationship that allows muscle degradation and deterioration that affects the
heart muscle as well. But genetics and lifestyle is always a factor of
longevity, if you reach the age of 70, it seems to be the beginning of the end
of days for most and can change just as fast as conception to age of accounting,
eight. Single people living together are self aware of the at risk
living conditions so they are always staying alert and actively engaged in
protecting their possessions and financial investments is a stress factor that
acts like a tread mill and everyone keeps a high heart rate without even realize
it. This activity helps keep body functions and minds more alert allowing them
to live longer.
Why you thing that living in an abusive marriarge or in a marriage where you are
not safe because of your spouse's irresponsible, cheating or
unparticipating behaviour is a factor for longevity ??There are not
many angels around .... reason why women either dont marry and prefer to be
single or just dont want a final commitment, because when things go wrong it
takes less time to get out of a dangerous or unhappy situation.If
men were all angels, all women would be married and have a family...... funny
when i talk to women of all walks, races and backgrounds ..... less and less
trust men and would commit to marry because they know how uncertain, unreliable
and risky it all is