re: Bill McGee Alpine, UT"My 14-year old daughter wonders why
...."If you are an active member of the LDS Church you have the
answers to her questions. You surely would have explained to her why Jesus
called 12 men to be his apostles, and you obviously explained to her the
different rolls men and women have in God's eternal plan. When she asked
about wearing shorts and tank tops you obviously explained to her the value of
My 14-year old daughter wonders why her 11-year old brother will be able to pass
the sacrament and she never will. She wonders why only men preside in Sacrament
meeting. She wonders why at General Conference the stand is filled with men and
almost no women. She wonders why her YW lessons in are all about chastity and
homemaking and service, and the boys's meetings are about campouts and
basketball. She wonders why she is responsible for how her wearing shorts or a
tank will make a young Priesthood holder feel. She wonders why her leaders talk
to her about the importance of being a wife and a mother, while the young men
learn about leadership and careers. She wonders why only men can count the
people who attend Sacrament meeting or count tithing dollars. She wonders why
she has to always be interviewed by a man and never a woman for things like
recommends or annual interviews. She wonders what this means for her role in the
Church as she gets older, and if she really wants to be a part of it. Half our
good young women leave the Church between high school and college graduation.
Re Kate HutchI think Ernest T Bass was being facetious.
Girls are already the ones most likely to make a bigger impact on the future.
They are the ones who raise the next generation.
Re: Kate Hutch Kenmore, WA"Why is it that the boy or man who got that
16yo girl pregnant not similarly afflicted in life?"Why is a
Massachusetts man, Jamie Melendez, convicted of raping a 14-year-old girl now
seeking visitation rights? Why do mothers typical get custody in divorce
cases?My conclusion that life just isn't very fair. Solution:
@Kate Hutch You live in the most free country on the planet and you're
complaining about supposed women's oppression. A visit to Afghanistan
might enlighten you. Empower girls, great. Teach girls to be
successful, great. What is not so great, is teaching girls they can be all and
do it all without men, and without any negative consequences. There is a
reason why men and women have different roles, in a traditional sense.
It's because it is the best way to keep order in society. It is the best
way to raise children. If anyone needs encouragement and empowerment,
it's young boys and teenaged boys. They are falling through the cracks
and I blame feminism. Their potential roles as men, fathers, providers etc... is
undermined and mocked. Taking away or mimicking their unique roles is not the
answer to life's problems, it just creates negative consequences. If you
want to burn your bra in protest to supposed oppression you have that right,
just don't ask me, as a fellow female, to do the same.
It's been my observation over 30 years in the business world that a man who
speaks up is assertive and decisive. A woman who speaks up is
a...uh...witch.And THAT's obscene and vulgar.
Kate Hutch, you took the words right out of my mouth! Why do equal
numbers of girls and boys want to become president at age 7 while a vasty larger
ratio of boys to girls feel the same way by the teen years? Because we teach
our girls to fill the background roles, to secede to authority, to be demure.
This isn't a self-esteem issue, this is a sexism-in-our-culture issue. We
teach boys they belong to the sphere of leadership and power and teach the girls
they belong to the submissive and supportive sphere. We're doing both
genders a disservice.
Rifleman - Why is it that the boy or man who got that 16yo girl pregnant not
similarly afflicted in life? Why is it that only the girl pays that price?
Let's Agree to Disagree - You asked: What is it women are not allowed to
do? Answer: Hold the priesthood in the Mormon Church or the Catholic Church. How
does a teenage girl feel knowing that the boy in her neighborhood or school can
hold the priesthood position and she cannot. She has been told she can only hold
the supportive role, but the more powerful role belongs to the males.
Ernest T. Bass - Do you obey ALL the scriptures from the Old Testament? Some of
them are pretty shocking.
"That may be your view of women here in America" you opine. Well,
it's NOT my view of women in America. It's my view of what American
religious conservatism is doing to the women of america. And no, we're not
the taliban of afghanistan or the arabs of our close friend and ally the Saudis
or anyplace like that yet. But inexorably, we're working on it. Old white
men, such as Akin and Mourdock, represent the GOP and claim they know gods'
will and therefore are somehow superior and we, especially women, must follow
their lead. These idiots owe us a lot more proof than 'god told me'.
What is the role of women in the mormon church, or the catholic church, or
indeed my own former hutterian brethern church? No, it's not equal, and
again god says so ain't enough. How about those 'followers' of
warren jeffs? We turn a blind eye on their activities even though they are
illegal and reduce females to virtual chattel. We are continuing to subjugate
the women of our society, usually with religion, and in my opinion it's
Re: Hutterite American Fork, UT"And we're hell bent on further
subjugating our women here in america."That may be your view of
women here in America but it certainly isn't my wife's.Of
course the 16-year old girl who gets pregnant and has to take care of a baby(s)
doesn't have the same equal chance to get an advanced education as the girl
who makes more intelligent decisions and takes charge of her life.
"How ironic this article is in the Deseret News. What exactly is
women's role in the Church?"I am unsure which church you
are referring to since many, if not most, of the world's religions have
gender specific roles for men and women. Anyway, in the LDS church my wife has
way more of a leadership and responsibility role than anyone would ask for.
"And we're hell bent on further subjugating our women here
in america."That is right because here we stone women who...oh
wait that is a different country.Oh, I mean women can't go to
school...oh wait that is a different country.Because women cannot own
property...oh wait that is a different country.What about because women
cannot drive...oh wait that is a different country.Oh, this time, because
women cannot own a business...oh wait that is a different country.So
wait...what are you talking about? What is it women are not allowed to do?
Sure, all the world's problems will be solved if we listen to California
based "self-esteem experts" (whatever THEY are!).Both boys
and girls should be encouraged to participate and make choices. And, we need to
get over the stereotyped nonsense that have been used by radical feminists for
decades to mess up society.
Empowering the females of our species has been proven to be one of the greatest
methods of improving the standards of living for a society there is. And
we're hell bent on further subjugating our women here in america.
Earnest go ahead and obey your scriptures.I'm don't
believe them and so will not obey them.
That's not what the Old Testament says. We need to obey the scriptures.
"Girls, it said, have a right to be themselves free of gender stereotypes,
to express themselves with originality and enthusiasm, to take risks, to strive
freely, and to take pride in success, as well as to accept and appreciate their
bodies, have faith in themselves and be safe in the world and to prepare for
interesting work and economic independence.”----------------------I would think that being "free of gender
stereotypes" means treating things, particularly such such -human rights- as
freedom of speech, to a gender-free evaluation. So, why then is this article
and the studies that it talks about so gender specific?In other
words, couldn't/shouldn't the first word of the quoted sentence above
simply be "People"?
Hmm,How ironic this article is in the Deseret News. What exactly is
women's role in the Church?
Only when all members of a Society have an equal voice, can the true potential
of that Society.