High school football: UHSAA releases written decisions on East, Timpview

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  • Mokie Mokie1735, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    As a High School Football coach, I hate how the UHSAA handled this situation. We taught and taught our boys to have integrity and honor both on and off the field. If a rule was broken, you accept the punishment and learn from it the next time. All this decision has done is teach athletes everywhere that it is okay to break rules and then complain enough to get what you want anyways. Both schools should forfeit the games ineligible players played in and leave it at that. If it resulted in not making the playoffs, that was the programs/schools fault. It would be sad for the innocent East players who did nothing wrong, however, now they are all looked at as whiners and cheats. Honor in a name is more important to me than playing in the playoffs one year. East High Football has now tarnished their name for along time. Timpview honored theirs by admitting to one more game than they first knew about and took the punishment they deserved. Good for them.

  • Aloha Saint George Saint George, Utah
    Oct. 25, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    After all these years EAST HS has kids that likely will make up a state championship calliber team. For years, these kids jumped ship to Cottonwood and other schools in the community. Now their bringing kids in from other schools.

    It's hard to argue, so many schools were OPEN Enrollment. Now every school is. Still seem abiguous and grey enough for administrators to cheat. If it were my kid who was a college prospect, I'd rather see him at a school like EAST, who have coaches and talent to get them the exposure needed.

    I can see why the NCAA is so tight with their regulation. They need to create a governing body within the UHSAA that's big enough to handle this. They had to do this with college sports. Can assume the administrators are all equal and unbiased.

  • bulldog72 Holladay, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 10:19 p.m.

    LOL gotcha, Satch. I was actually responding to the poster named 'checkyourfacts'
    ute - you are right, it is just a game. Lessons taught and learned are more important. As far as I am concerned, Timp acted honorably in this situation by taking accountability and not protesting the same sanctions that East was handed (forfeiture). And while I understand East's desire to fight for their players, they may have done them more harm than good by the message that they sent, especially in light of this report, which makes their transgressions sound much worse than I thought before.
    One more question: Why were BOT members from Wayne and Tabiona brought in to be part of this decision? I am sure they are fine people and both are great places, but that just seems odd to me that they would be the ones hearing the final appeal. I mean, shouldn't someone involved with 4A schools have been there?

  • Uncle Sam West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 10:06 p.m.

    This just adds to the problem, the decision makes no sense. Ban the UHSAA!

  • 86&90UTE Holladay, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 9:47 p.m.

    You all know that if Timpview had been required to forfeit enough games to miss the playoffs, they would have argued for their kids' right to play, too. And if East had only had to forfeit a few games, still making the playoffs, they wouldn't have said anything. It's all about punishing the adults, not the kids. This is just football. It is still just a game. No matter the outcome of the State Tourney, life will go on, school will continue, and basketball season will begin.

  • satch Highland, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 9:45 p.m.

    Re: bulldog. My comments completely support your position exactly.

    Both Timpview and East should have been treated the same without bias.

  • bulldog72 Holladay, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 9:24 p.m.

    Check your facts, I completely disagree. The Timpview admin knew that they had broken rules and they accepted it and took responsibility, like one should. East tried to get out of of their punishment and taught their kids that you can lessen your consequences if you whine hard enough.

  • satch Highland, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 9:13 p.m.

    After reading this article ands trying to understand how the committee came to their decision I am even more confused than ever.

    From a person on the outside, it seems a double standard was established. I would really like to know the names of these individuals. They should be held accountable.

    Additionally, I would like to see this lawsuit go forward from Herriman. It would be great to see other schools and coaches join in this lawsuit. The decision made even less sense after reading this article. If you are going to have rules, there should be no bias when executing judgement. Rules should apply equally to all.

    Every school (and its coach, AD, and principal) must be held to the same standard. If for any reason, for the kids. East did not want the UHSAA to put the blame on their kids- to do so, they argued, would be to fail the innocent athletes. But the true issue here is East failed there own kids. Every coach, principal, and AD in the state know the rules. They are clear. Sometimes being an adult means to make the tough decision. UHSAA made the problem worse.

  • SportsFan1 South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 8:48 p.m.

    Why punish East and then reward them at the same time. The right thing was to forfeit ALL of the games and be out of the playoffs. The standards of Utah sports is damaged

  • Prep Fan 89 Draper, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 7:34 p.m.

    I just finished writing an e-mail to my local state legislator and I encourage you to do the same. It is time to disband the UHSAA and go to a "play where you live" rule for athletics. I just barely sent the e-mail to my representative, and I would encourage you to do the same.

    This nonsense needs to stop!

  • checkyourfacts Provo, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 7:00 p.m.

    This article does a nice job of explaining one of the many "head scratchers" on this issue, i.e. Why did East get to forfeit less than all of their games when their issues were much bigger and more widespread than Timpview who had to actually forfeit more games than the number in which they had ineligible players participating in?

    The answer: the East Administration fought hard for their kids, the Timpview administration said: "here they are, handcuff them, and give them the maximum penalty please."

  • airliner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 6:52 p.m.

    @ Chase:

    Move to another state,

  • Pac 12 Fever Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 6:45 p.m.

    Moral of story Timpview:

    Bring your kids and cry and pack the house with sobbing and you would have been the number 1 seed....

  • Chase Saint George, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 6:36 p.m.

    Educators, Schools, Districts . . . all the way up to state and federal leaders are drunk with their own power . . . power derived from we the people.

    Yes, people lie, cheat, and steal, and there should be consequences.

    However, the amount of regulation and interference in all aspects of our lives has increased significantly over a the last 10-20 years.

    No large sugary drinks, airport scanners, forfeiture of HS football wins . . . I just got an email saying my kids at K-6 can't bring home made, home packaged, or unhealthy treats to school for parties, rewards, etc...

    I PAY THEIR SALARIES and they tell me what I can and can't do . . .

    Welcome to the machine!

  • footballfan22 Herriman/Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 5:43 p.m.

    There is one snafu in the boards decision. When they take Section 6(A)6) which states "may forfeit" any contest and extrapolate that to:

    "We find that we have the discretion to impose or decline to impose forfeiture in total or in part as we fashion proper relief." A good attorney could tie them in knots on this assumption - particuliarly in this case when so many other parties were negatively affected.

    It is also interesting that the board noted they had pressure from local politicians. I also found it interesting how they justified leaving Cyprus out - the statement that Cyprus consented some how in another meeting ???????

    I feel for the board - they had a tough job - I just disagree with how they did it. I also feel for the East High Team. The real culprit is East High's Principal who not only didn't do his job, but essentially threw the AD under the bus to protect himself and the coach - offered to resign, then recanting saying, it would be selfish to do so.