LDS bloggers tilt at 'cult' label, Mormon misperceptions

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  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 6:01 p.m.


    I will gladly compare the richness and fulness of my life against yours any day... And I guarantee you mine will triumph!

    (How do you like a taste of your own medicine?)

  • really? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 25, 2012 12:48 p.m.

    Re: meinmut,

    I thank you for your sensitivity to the feelings of those of us who do not wish to follow religion.

    However, facts can and must be proven. Facts, by their very definition, must be true. Your belief or as you call it, "truth", is only true to you and your fellow believers. As for your penny example, whether you "give no evidence that is it there" or not, the fact remains that it is there. Evidence exists proving that is there. The changed weight of your hand, the presence of trace chemicals, etc., are ways in which science can prove that the penny exists. No such proof can be offered for a god. That is why it is not a fact that god exists. It is merely a belief that I respect but do not share with you. Theories can and must be proven for them to become facts.

    As for you second post, deal! You might be right and we will talk, but I might be right and we can save the "I told you so" for another life. LOL

  • meinmt HUTTO, TX
    Oct. 24, 2012 3:14 p.m.

    To "Really?", "Tornogal" and any others who feel the same -

    re: "We live full and meaningful lives that are not shrouded by fantasy and wishful thinking...Truth and facts require evidence, of which you have none. You have belief, nothing more."

    We can settle this question once and for all,although it may take a little while. Let's meet up in say, 200 years. (100, if you like.) If, as you say, we have our belief and nothing more, then we'll be happily feeding wildflowers and no one will care. If, on the other hand, we do continue after mortality, we'll have a lot to talk about. :) Deal?

  • meinmt HUTTO, TX
    Oct. 24, 2012 3:06 p.m.


    Even as a Latter-day Saint, I have to agree with those who have spoken against your presumptive statements about those of other beliefs. Even those who believe there is no God have beliefs and find purpose in those things important to them. I'm glad that your faith (as mine does) brings so much fullness to your life that you can't imagine meaningful life without it. Doesn't mean that others can't.

    To "really?" - truth is truth, whether proven or not. If I hold a penny in my hand and give no evidence that it is there, the evidence or lack thereof has no power over the existence of that penny. That's the thing about science - theories cannot be proven. They can only be disproven. Not much help. What is evidence to one may not mean anything to the next guy - just like those things in your life that add depth and purpose that AZRods may find empty. Much of meaning/evidence/etc is subjective.

  • Tornogal LITTLE ROCK, AR
    Oct. 24, 2012 2:10 p.m.


    I agree with "really?" I think your post was terribly judgmental and presumptuous. You know little about those that posted here as atheists, but you say they have no "inner core" or "purpose"?

    Shame on you.

  • really? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 11:49 a.m.

    Re: AZRods,

    Those of us who don't believe in God or organized religion do not live "empty hollow lives". We live full and meaningful lives that are not shrouded by fantasy and wishful thinking. We don't wait for a "second coming" that has been coming for 2000 years. We work hard, enjoy our families and pursue our dreams. We do so without being threatened with damnation nor bribed by eternal bliss. How dare you, or anyone else, question my purpose or my fulfillment? Believe what you wish but don't think for one minute that you have the truth on your side. Truth and facts require evidence, of which you have none. You have belief, nothing more.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Oct. 23, 2012 2:11 p.m.

    RE: Traditional Christians do not agree with LDS, Community of Christ, Scientologists,unitarians, and Jehovah Witnesses about important beliefs but it does not mean that we can't respect one another.
    True, Christians should respect other faiths most of my family was Mormon, but Christians should not agree on theological point such as: 1. Deification of man 2. Humanize God 3. Minimize sin 4. Ostracize scripture, 5. Evangelicals do not believe in modern day prophets 6. The only true Church. 7. Deny the Tri-une God. 8. Secrets closed to the outside. 9. A different Jesus. 10. A different Salvation.

    Oct. 23, 2012 11:11 a.m.

    "Reverend" Billy Graham lost his relevance to anything the night he hugged Richard Nixon on stage years ago. He is an ancient and irrelevant Republican shill.

  • War dog Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 23, 2012 7:53 a.m.

    What would some people do without the church, we always have the usual crowd who's only motivation in life seems to be verbally attacking something or someone, the very thing they dislike is in controll of their day

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 2:03 p.m.

    - Mormons are not extreme right-wingers (Faithful Mormons,Paredes writes, are advocates for positions on all sides of (moral) issues);


    I beg to disagree...

    He must not live in Utah.

  • Designed Eagle River, AK
    Oct. 22, 2012 1:41 p.m.

    Mormons and those who are not should agree on this: The truth matters. The Billy Graham Association removed one of a series of articles that addressed cults on its website but several other articles defining cults remain. The deleted article listed a number of religions including Mormonism that most traditional Christians regard as theological cults - some of the teachings of each of these groups differ from shared Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant doctrines. It's highly unlikely that Graham's association has changed its views on Mormonism. LDS should agree that this is true since their claim to being Christian refers to first century teaching which Mormons believe was lost thus the need for restoration. Traditional Christians do not agree with LDS, Community of Christ, Scientologists, Unitarians, and Jehovah Witnesses about important beliefs but it does not mean that we can't respect one another.

  • AZRods Maricopa, AZ
    Oct. 22, 2012 1:23 p.m.

    It's always amusing when an atheist posts on a religious topic.
    It's like expecting an objective opinion about America from a die hard terrorist.
    It also exposes the empty hollow life of someone who simply has no inner core or purpose for his or her existence.
    Every day is the same because there is nothing to hope for beyond this life.
    What an empty telescope to peer through.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 1:01 p.m.

    @ non believer

    The eveidences abound but some refuse to see them, which is their right, certainly. When the 2nd coming does occur, perhaps you'll be surprised. Without faith in the first coming I can undrstand why one would not believe in the 2nd coming.

  • pmccombs Orem, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 11:53 a.m.

    Non believer, I think you got it backwards. All of the physical evidence in the world does not mean a thing without faith.

  • non believer PARK CITY, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 11:32 a.m.

    As seen through the eyes of an Atheist, you are all cult members! A group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre. Until God visits me personally or appears for the 2nd coming, I am not buying any of it! All the FAITH in the world does not mean a thing without physical evidence!

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Oct. 22, 2012 11:26 a.m.


    So if Romney loses, does the church go back to being a cult?

    That's up to the Church, isn't it?

    "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
    - Eleanor Roosevelt.

  • sashabill Morgan Hill, CA
    Oct. 22, 2012 10:36 a.m.

    So if Romney loses, does the church go back to being a cult?

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Oct. 22, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    Let's not be hasty to label any group a cult when we know little about them. Just because an upstart religion is new or has unusual ideas doesn't make them illegitimate.