UHSAA is a joke. They have shown a repeated pattern of failing to enforce rules
and this latest example is typical. Instead of doing what is right, they bow
down to pressure-usually when that pressure is threatened litigation. What is
truly sad about that is they are sitting on millions of dollars that could be
used to mount a legal defense. I work at a high school and personally know the
money made by UHSAA in gates from games all across the state-it is a
jaw-dropping amount! Why they don't have the guts to take a stand is beyond
me. What I do know is that it is destroying what good there is left in amateur
sports. To me, it is just another example of the disintegration of integrity in
our society, but made worse by the fact that this organization is connected to
the education of our children. If kids are not taught integrity, there will be
NO hope of changing this trend in our society. The UHSAA is apparently just the
latest morally defunct organization to add to the tapestry of moral degradation
blanketing our society. Thanks UHSAA for ultimately harming kids...
We all know logan doesn't make excuses lol.
Timpview will beat East.Logan has beat East.So I am
taking the winner of the Timpview vs Logan game as your next State Champion over
Mtn Crest. Big game tomorrow. East is thrid best. and if they
"didnt want to play against Logan because they thought the season was
over-not motivated" then I really take East as third. True players play no
@dex First of all no one at Logan is "padding" themselves on the
back. They are focused on the game against Timpview. That's the only game
that matters to them right now. Not once have I heard anyone from Logan on these
boards say anything derogatory about East. Logan has played East 3 times in the
last year and I think that they know better than anyone how good East is. When
you come on here and start putting Logan down, it just makes you look like
you're making excuses. Logan doesn't make excuses, they just play the
games that are handed to them. I sincerely hope that Logan gets to play East
again but it won't be in the Title game because we are on the same side of
i agree with footballfan22 the seeding was wrong for the other schools who
worked so hard to get the top seed to make it easier for them when comes play
off time and they'll get a lower seed team. And for those who watched that
East vs Logan game, dont pad youself on the back just yet Logan, you just caught
East at a vaunerable time. They looked like they didnt even want to play.
Sources told me that they found out that there season was cut off. players didnt
want to play anymore. the coaches werent even yelling at them or making any
adjustments. like some of the comments ive seen during the season some of
herrimans fans stated they are just as good as East or even BETTER, now's
ur chance to prove it. As for Logan, if u get to the Title game cause im pretty
sure East will be there. Im pretty sure you'll find Real East High Football
Seems like these other schools are scared,that they have no chance if east
plays.. come on man...let the kids play
These are just a few questions I have...Who gives the UHSAA its
power? Was it created by the state legislature or the Utah State
office of education for the purpose of handling athletics in the state?Does it have power because the high schools all just go along with what they
say? Do they crown the champ because they have actual authority to do so, or is
this like the BCS(formerly the UPI) vs AP National champion.Could
some one start a new governing body and recruit schools into thier system?
Similar to the old NIT vs NCAA tournaments?Could the local high
schools go together and create their own playoff system?These are
just a few questions I have...Does anyone know the answers? Amy D?
@NeilTWhat about players that don't live in either West's
or East's boundries? If you had followed this story you would know the
original ineligible player who played for East lived in Highland's
boundries. He came to East from an alternative school run by the district where
most students who attend there are in East's boundries. Open
enrollment isn't the bad guy, but it needs to be adjusted. If the rules
where better set up then these problems wouldn't be so big. Open enrollment
should apply only for a student's freshman year in schools that enroll
9th-12th and a student's sophomore year in those who are 10th-12th. Any
transfer after that should then have to be an entire family moving into the new
schools boundaries. Or you sit out of varsity sports for a year like the current
transfer rule states. Or maybe adopt the NCAA transfer rule where if you
transfer to a lower classification you don't have to wait, but if you
transfer within the same or to a higher one you sit out a year unless your
current coach signs off on the transfer.
I know that both sides of the situation can be seen here, I was just curious
though, are people protesting the decision due to "the right thing to
do" or is the protest coming from, "teams that just don't want to
play East High"? First off, I know that kids that played and
worked all season long to one of the elite teams in the state, having their
title shot taken from them is really disheartening, nobody wants to see that,
but in that same light, football is a team effort, and that actions of can can
and will effect the entire team. Second, this is a double edge sword
either way that you look at it, I really can't see a way for this to be
resolved with all parties satisfied. But the right thing to do is not always the
easiest, regardless of what side you are on.But the schools or
people that don't want East to play, just because you want to see the
'Big dog' go down, or avoid playing them in the tournament, you are
not seeking justice the matter.
There is only one source of all of this...whoever decided to play illegal
players. Punish that team. Not the state.
If you want all of the children to this State to be winners, then, the whole
system has to be as equal as you can possibly make it. The kids across the other
side of the tracks need to feel like winners just as much as the affluent ones.
Winning in sports can form a winning mental outlook for young minds, just as
much as academic success. And that goes for the entire student body, whether
they participate orWe, as a society, need to find a way to get our moral
standard set to a higher level and what better place to start than at the
educational level. Let’s show our children that it is not right to cheat,
lie or steal just to win. Let’s teach them to have respect for each other
and their elders. It’s been said many times, “it’s not how
you win, but how you play the game.” If you are forthright and honest, you
can always hold your head high and you are, indeed, a winner.
Open enrollment is nothing but a way to cheat and it should all be closed. If
not, then all the schools, who have open enrollment, should be put in their own
region and play each other, forming a super region. If you want all of the
children to this State to be winners, then, the whole system has to be as equal
as you can possibly make it. The kids across the other side of the tracks need
to feel like winners just as much as the affluent ones. Winning in sports can
form a winning mental outlook for young minds, just as much as academic success.
And that goes for the entire student body, whether they participate or
It appears that regulations are fine until they disrupt someone's illegal
Utah verison of the BCS Mr shurcliff where are you ?
The players don't deserve to be punished. Clearly East deserves the chance
at a title. They earned it.
The first thing I saw on the news Friday night when the "new" ruling
came down was a group of East players performing the Haka dance. The reason I
bring this up is because the Haka is a dance for warriors. When I think of a
"warrior" I think of someone who values "Honor" above all else.
Weather by accident or intentionally East broke the rules. The
penalty is forfeiture of games. They should be eliminated from the play
off’s. It's unfortunate and my heart goes out to the kids who did
every thing right, but that's the way it is. In time, this
situation will fade away. East may win it all and their players and coaches
will be able to claim best in the land but they will never be able to make that
claim with pure heart and clear conscious. If they choose integrity and honor
it will be a lesson to others and last in glory for ever. So what
say you East? It's time to show us who you all are. Is Honor more
important than a tainted State Championship? My money is on Harriman
any way! Go Mustangs!
I would love to see the UHSAA dragged into a massive lawsuit that will expose
all of their dirty laundry once and for all. It would force them to abide by
their own rules and rulings along with expose the entire body in a way normal
citizens never could. The rigors of lawyers and judges crawling through every
scrap of paper and person that makes up the UHSAA boards is just the cleaning
Utah high school sports needs.
The first thing I saw on the news Friday night when the "new" ruling
came down was a group of East players performing the Haka dance. The reason I
bring this up is because the Haka is a dance for warriors. When I think of a
"warrior" I think of someone who values "Honor" above all else.
Weather by accident or intentionally East broke the rules. The
penalty is forfeiture of games. They should be eliminated from the play offs.
It's unfortunate and my heart goes out to the kids who did every thing
right, but that's the way it is. In time, this situation
will fade away. East may win it all and their players and coaches will be able
to claim best in the land but they will never be able to make that claim with
pure heart and clear conscious. If they choose integrity and honor it will be a
lesson to others and last in glory for ever. So what say you East?
It's time to show us who you all are. Is Honor more important than a
tainted State Championship? My money is on Harriman any way! Go
RS I concur. You live on the East side of SLC you play for East. West side you
play for West. Problem solved.
Grossly unfair decision by the Trustees. They are the bad guys right now. Such a
conspicuous error doesn't reflect very well on their decision making
abilities or common sense.I hope it is an aberration and not the norm.
Indeed,some good investigative journalism would reveal who these
Board of Trustees are. Many assume, as I did at first, like the Executive
Committee, that they are principals. But I learned that most are private
citizens, some elected school board members.So who are they in
general? Who made the specific decisions here? And what possible ties to East
could they possibly have to come to this conclusion?It is time for
the Deseret News to step up and investigate this matter.Also,
besides Herriman and Logan losing out, by the BOT upholding Timpview's
forfeit losses but not East's gave Mountain View the fifth seed in region
over Salem Hills and Springville. The other loser in this is Cyprus. The
decision has ripple effects in every single game as some schools benefitted form
easier games against lesser seeded teams (Orem, Maple Mountain, Box Elder,
Highland, Bountiful) while others (Herriman, Logan, Mountain View, Timpview) got
harder games because of the inconsistency of the decisions. You either kick
East out or you restore East and Timpview's victories, restore integrity to
the bracket while giving Salem Hills and Springville a right to play into the
I am going out on a limb and asking why the student athletes at east who played
by the rules and worked just as hard as the rest of the state's student
athletes should be punished for something they had no control over. I disagree
with punishing a program and all its players for the errors of the adult
administrators. There was no intent to cheat from what I have read. No
advantage was gained by the ineligible players so why punish them all? Why
don't parents and coaches step back and see if they feel the same if the
tables were turned. If Herriman can't beat East then they shouldn't
be state champions anyway. Or they just wanted a watered down easier path to
play. If I were the Herriman players I would be insulted that their own coaches
and parents don't think they are up to the task. If you want to be the
champions then beat anyone in your way.
Let me clarify a bit about my "to be the best you have to beat the best"
statement. I'm in no way saying East should be playing in the playoffs. I
support and agree with the first decision of the UHSAA, that East forfeit their
wins where ineligible players played. My point was now they have overturned that
decision and more than likely East will play (although they shouldn't),
lets stop complaining about it and dig in and play ball. No one wants to see
this go to the courts. Going to the courts will just make a messy situation even
messier. Think about it a court case won't be heard before the playoffs
start or maybe not until they are over. So what are you going to do if a court
rules in favor of the original ruling and let's say East finishes second.
Are the three teams they beat going to replay each other to determine who gets
to replay the championship against the team who wins it? Or if East wins it are
you going to simply award it to the runner up without giving those other teams a
It's very simple, folks: Did East play ineligible players? If they did,
then they forfeit ALL of those games just like Timpview was required to do. If
not, keep them at #1 in Region 6 and move forward. Very simple, UHSAA. Now all
you need to do is is grow a spine and DO THE RIGHT THING!!! That's why
you're in business, right?
I don't have a problem with the UHSSA TRANSFER RULES, requiring a one year
waiting period before a transfer student is eligible to play sports in the
receiving high school. BUT I do have a problem with the disproportionate
"one shoe fits all" punishment for a variety of minor eligibility
infractions. This "capital punishment" mentality is nothing short of
INSTITUTIONALIZED BULLYING. It is anti-student, anti-education, and contrary to
our very purpose for existing, that is to SERVE STUDENT EDUCATIONAL NEEDS.
After all, this is high school sport, and NOT a death sentence for failing to
correctly fill out a form, or correct minor violations. The punishment must fit
the intent and extent of the ineligibility violation. Please read Section
6 of the UHSSA Tranfer Rules which allow for discretionary ruling. For many
people, there is an erroneous assumption that every eligibility violation MUST
be punished with extreme forfeiture.For East High School, I think
UHSAA applied the Transfer Rules correctly.
The sad thing is that this has become bigger than the playoffs it self. The
UHSAA took a bad problem and has managed to make it worse. Now no one at UHSAA
wants to even look at it let alone touch it. The big winner is the
media. They could not have dreamed up such a scenario to garner this much
#1 Champ I could not disagree more with your post. You are only
reading about certain coaches that are upset that are in the playoffs. What you
are not reading or hearing about are the hundreds of coaches in ALL sports that
are disgusted by what has happened. I have spoken with basketball,
soccer, baseball, and volleyball coaches and all of them are upset. So your
"they are scared" argument is invalid. This is a much bigger issue than
just football. This is about the integrity of the UHSAA's ability to
enforce their own rules. By not slapping forfeits on all East wins where they
played ineligible players, this sets a nasty precedent for future problems in
I'm sorry, but I just don't buy the "what about the innocent
kids" argument. Innocent kids are punished for the bad choices
and decisions of leaders and coaches all of the time. Go ask Penn State's
football team right now if the actions of former coaches are affecting them
right now. They had nothing to do with what happened year ago, but they are
feeling the pain of what happened. Go ask Ohio State and USC. Sometimes the
actions of people affect innocent lives of kids that go to school there. If Ohio
State goes undefeated this year, should the NCAA go back and overturn their own
rules because "in order to be the best you have to beat the best"? That
is not how it works friends. But wait, the kids at Ohio State didn't do
anything wrong....In this case, while I know what happened is
nowhere near what Penn State was, innocent kids are affected by the actions of
adults. The only fair way to enforce the rules is to punish the school that
broke them. East High should forfeit all games in which they played ineligible
Rules are rules and the first ruling should have held instead of being
'politically corrected'. Any student coming in out of their school
district and especially involved in any kind of competition should be thoroughly
vested before being allowed to take part. This should be clear to school
authorities as well as to the students. When something like this happens they
should be prepared to accept the consequences. Should East High go on to win the
title, who is going to believe that they are entitled to it?
Let's put it another way for you Jazz fans out there. If the Jazz worked
their tail off during the season and secured the 1 seed in the conference, you
would expect to see an 8 seed in the opening round and a 4-5 seed in the second.
Imagine David Stern decided to forfeit a bunch of OKC or Lakers games, suddenly
pushing them down from a top seed to the team you play in the opening
round...the outcry would be enormous.Sure, you can argue that to win
the title you will have to beat the best, but don't you agree that making
the conference finals (even if you lose there) equates to a much better season
than an opening round exit? That is essentially what happened here, so simmer
down on those who think this decision is unfair not just to justice, but to the
student athletes of those schools who did no wrong.
Lets remember these punishments came because there were two (non-impactful)
ineligible players on the field. Let the kids play. Yeah, is it too bad
Herriman has to play East in the first round, yes. Is it too bad that Logan has
to play Timpview in the first round, yes. But you should have been prepared to
play them at some point anyhow. Herriman and Logan's anger is
masked by their fear of losing to a better team. Don't be shocked that
UHSAA wanted all kids to experience a well deserved playoff spot. Bottom line,
the kids should be that last group to be punished in a paperwork error. All you have to do is win on the field.
High School athletics is a mess. Sad.
Here is an idea, we can have East play Timpview in the Inelig(bowl), the game
could be played in Nephi so their fans can get a taste of what playoff football
is all about.
I've coached in both Utah and Texas. The UHSAA is a joke. This is a prime
example. This would never fly in other states that have clear rules and have a
governing body with the spine to enforce them.
The UHSSA had a tough job to do. But they also need to look after all the kids
at East that did nothing wrong. I like that they tried to balance all the
interest and not simply care for a single interest.However we live
in a culture that is moving away from accepting decisions made by those that
have the job to decide. Does this end with nobody accepting anything from
anyone? Now a bunch of folks without all the facts, and with no interest in
balance, simply want the job to decide so they can push their interest.Sadly, the people we have teaching our young kids are out front teaching
excatly the wrong thing. You can accept the decision like a reasonable adult or
drop on the ground and start kicking your feet.Please, can we get
one good example for kids getting ready to live in society?
We reap what we sow. Open enrollment used for sports has yielded these, and
maybe other problems. It is likely that this mess is a result of the long term
effects of the abuse of open enrollment. "Play where you live" should be
the norm again. I believe this is a symptom of the larger issue.
Who are these supposed East big wigs everyone is talking about that influenced
the decision? Did Zac Efron and Disney return to lend a hand? I want to know!
Seriously, the rulings are hardly fair for all and now many have
even more doubts and dislikes than ever for the UHSAA. There needs to be
something in place that penalizes those responsible instead of the innocent
parties like the players who did nothing other than go to school and play on the
team. It's like I said before, if a team has a player that cheats on a test
at school or gets caught shoplifting or something to that effect, only that
player gets kicked off, not the whole team. Why then should the whole team have
their season ruined because some AD or coach had their head in the stars? I only
bring this up to have further thought about maybe having some kind of rule that
punishes the guilty, not the innocent. Or are all players on a team guilty by
association if an ineligible player plays, whether they know he's
ineligible or not? I
When I played football my school told us if we were facing becoming in eligible.
And they worked with us to get things straighten out. If we were ineligible, we
were told, even pulled out of class and told. That's between the parents,
students and the school. And if a team played a player, you forfeited. No
reprieve, no one overturned it. The punishment fit the first time.
Now it's a poor lesson to the youth of the state involved in athletics.
East and Timpview should forfeit every game where an ineligible player
participated. Really simple then let the chips fall where they may. There is
no excuse for coaches, athletic directors and principals not knowing the rules.
Every player who did not play at East and Timpview last year and is not an
incoming freshmen or sophomore who did not play UHSAA sanctioned sports last
year should have had paperwork done on them before they ever played. This is
not rocket science, and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise.The
East coaches and administrators should explain to their students and patrons how
their mistake has cost their school playoff opportunities this season. Other
schools and their students are being impacted unfairly by this decision to
protect a school who broke the rules.
Stop crying about it and just play the game.
Will someone please post what the right answer here is? One team
was being punished for an adults mistakes. Tell me that the kids on the team
had any clue? They did exactly what they were asked to do. Coach even pulled out
more than he needed to once he found out just to be sure. You can not punish
kids for an adults "error". I do not think it was intentional. (Nor
were they good players)On the other hand you have rules. Again
letter of the law vs what is right. Should they be enforced 100%? Good question
but for those that break small laws and not get caught (say going over 5 MPH
etc) think again. I am not throwing the first stone.Playoffs? I
agree that it seems a bit unfair for the teams that play East. But what should
they do? Maybe top seed with no home games? So if someone has the
right answer please let me know because this looks like the rest of our county
and an upcoming election. Everyone seems to have their own opinion yet we seem
to be split almost 50 50 on what is right.
I agree with JSB. The BOT probably had East supporters on it, or were
influenced by East people with clout. Sad, but true. I would like to know who
was on the Board as well, but don't suppose UHSAA will be releasing that
anytime soon. Meanwhile, sorry East, but Herriman just got my support. I
really don't care if 120 players were innocent, you might win the battle,
but you have already lost the war.
JSB - if we drop football, where are schools going to get the money to support
academic programs? Football and basketball provide lots of it, not easy to
Again I say, eligible players at East are being rewarded wins by participation
of ineligible players. Is that the honest thing to do? No that is wrong.I think the UHSAA did not take into consideration how this would unite
fans, coaches and players of other schools.The new UHSAA mission
statement: It's ok to cheat, we will only slap your hand.
Any of you that state to play the best you have to beat the best don't
really get it.Yes what you say is absolutely true, but not in
context. I am sure Both Herriman and Logan would be willing to play
East/Timpview, but it's about playing into the playoffs. Making it to the
"turf".Say in an alternate world Herriman plays East at Rice
Eccles and loses (probably the outcome) at least they can say we won a few
playoff games and made it to RES. They will talk about playing on the turf for
years to come. Conversely they now play East (the #4 seed, righhhht) and lose
in the first round (probably the outcome) what memories do they take from their
season? WHY should Herriman players have to have their potential memories taken
because a board felt bad for East? THAT'S the Point. Not that Herriman
doesn't want to play East. Its time and place. Especially in
Herriman's case its a brand new school (3 years) its building a program,
its about accomplishments, not just winning state but making to the turf. They
have been robbed of that.
@ Ted... hahaha Thanks. You would be suprised at how many people don't get
I am a graduate of East High and acknowledge that East has a lot of influential
alumni (I'm not among the influential ones). I suspect some people caved to
political or some other kind of pressure from influential people so that East
got this break. It's a sad lesson to the students all over the state: it
isn't what's right or just or legal, it's who has the political
clout in Utah. The whole state would be better off if we just dropped football
and devoted time to education instead.
While I hate to support the actual board of the UHSAA, Cuff and team did make
the proper decisions in both schools cases. They were overturned by the
Trustees of the UHSAA. Something needs to be done to put pressure on these
people and/or their businesses for their actions. WHo are they and what
companies do they run. Let protest their businesses and vote with our wallets
if they don't flip flop back to the correct decision to apply the rules
fairly and equitably across all schools.
I agree with Timpanogos head coach Ed Larsen who pointed out, those who
don't understand why it's a problem don't understand competition
or how successful programs are built.Herriman was the first team in
5A history to make the state playoffs in their first year. In their 2nd year
they had to play a playoff game to get in, then lost in the first round again to
Logan the eventual state champion.This year they were seeded 1st in
their devision, expecting to have an easier first round opponent - thus making
it past the 1st round and possibly even into the finals & eventual state
championship. Now with the decision of the UHSAA, they find themselfs again
facing the top team in the state. All the victories, all the work, all the
preparation apparently went for naught because the UHSAA in grapling for a
merciful decision for east completely lost sight of the terrible effect it would
have on the tournament seedings. I have no problem with them letting East play -
messing with the seedings, however shows a serious lack of insensitivity to all
the other teams/kids involved.
First off I agree the original ruling shouldn't have been overturned. You
play in eligible players your forfeit the games they played in. Cut and dry
simple as that. Secondly I feel that to be the best you have to beat the best.
Logan proved just two weeks ago that mighty East was beatable. Just as life
wasn't fair for all the other East players after the initial ruling life
has continued to be unfair to Mt. Crest by having to play arguably the best team
in the state. Life isn't fair and while I think the UHSAA was correct to
levy the original consequences and the board who overturned that decision was
way out of line people can whine and complain about it or start preparing to
Re: " I fell off a sofa " Great comment board name! Yea, the UHSAA
has definitely had their work cut out for them in 2012 with all the decisions
they have had to make. It would be tough to be on that board and make these
For those who keep saying that this is done everyday in our legal system. You
have no idea what you are talking about. There is no set punishment for a crime
in the court's of law. So when a judge and jury decide different
punishments in different cases, it is all based on evidence. That is what sways
judge's and jury's.In the case of East. The rules are
printed black and white, play an inelgible player and you forfeit every game in
which that player participated. I will not say East cheated. What I will say,
is they knew about it and tried to cover it. They got caught. In the
transcripts of the hearing East High stated that they were unsure of what
actually to do. So instead of assuming you are right, make a call. Had you
done that, everything would have been fine. The punishment is for East, not
select individuals. East is one as a whole. They should be out.And
for those of you who say nobody knows what really happened. The transcript of
the hearing was posted. So we know, you don't because you didn't read
I don't think anyone who has dealt with the UHSAA has much faith in them.
@D-News: How does this comment violate your rules? It is just about the most
innocuous thing I have seen posted about this topic.....Smells like
home cooking to me.....
Yea, maybe we should call a special session of the legislature every sports
season so they can decide who broke the rules. Who will hire, schedule, and pay
the game officials.This is NOT the legal system per se. We are
talking about rules and regulations which, in sports, are to be applied in a
consistent manner. What if a referee decided that a holding penalty was
warranted but since "It wasn't that bad" the penalty would only be
7 yards instead of 10.What, in the long run, is being taught to the
athletes? Justice will be served if East loses and they do not get a State
championship. Logan stomped East and will beat Timpview this week.
Do not look past the fact that the original decision was that East forfeit the
wins due to violation.There was no compelling "new" evidence
presented to allow the overturn of the rule 24 hours later, the governing body
just caved in to a bunch of tears.While it is true that you have to
beat the best to become state champions, there is a policy in place to set up
the seeding of the brackets so that the best 2 teams meet in the finals (based
upon region records) not in the first round.Remember most teams
usually have 4 goals for their seasons...1 - win region2 - make the
playoffs3 - make it to RICE4 - win stateThis is an
example of UHSAA NOT thinking things through and not thinking clearly, and
making a knee jerk reaction to East after their initial ruling. What a travesty.
Common sense won the day.
I have a friend that teaches at East...and even he doesn't see how the
panel could just make up something and not do the same for Timpview. What a
double standard.But my friend also said East is now worried again
and told everyone to start attacking the blogs and defending Easts position.
They are worried common sense will prevail. Not just the emotional verdict gift
In our legal system people charged with the same crime receive different
punishments EVERY SINGLE DAY. Based on the circumstances of each particular
situation-with variations for Judge, Jury and Attorneys involved. This is not
any different. As long as rules and laws are applied different outcomes are
allowed for the same charges. And frankly unless any of us have the entire
story--which I am guessing no one does--we really can not comment on these
"Herriman wants to sue the UHSAA because they have to play a good team in
the first round after they had a three way tie for winning region?"Wow, that's what you got from that? Well, some people have their mind
made up, no matter what they hear I guess. I believe Herriman would love to
play East, or any other team for that matter. This is not about that. Would
you stand by while the body responsible for your profession made decisions that
you felt had a direct and unfair impact on you and others, for mistakes that
someone else made? Would you allow yourself and others to be put at a
disadvantage because a competing company did not follow rules? Or would you
stand up for yourself and others? Why is everyone OK going to bat for East, who
has not done everything right, but when those who do follow rules try and stand
up for equitable treatment for all, they are whiners? Did you not notice that
there were several other coaches from around the state who feel the same way?
This is not just a Herriman thing!
Herriman wants to sue the UHSAA because they have to play a good team in the
first round after they had a three way tie for winning region? I understand that
you do wish to play better teams later on in the playoffs but I also understand
that the Best Team should also be the one to win state. If Herriman is the best
team, they should love the chance to have a home playoff game against east. I
have read earlier quotes of how herriman fans argued that had they played
Riverton at home and not at a neutral site it would have been a different story
so how about the opportunity that have to prove they are the best and beat east!
That would show the state who they really are.
I think the reason coaches, schools and communities are upset is because of
abstract nature of UHSAA's two boards...the Executive Board and Board of
Trustees. The Executive Board, which is made up of high school princpals,
appears to have ruled based upon UHSAA's policies. However, the Board of
Trustees, which is made up of politicians, business owners, community activists
and so forth, was very arbitrary in its ruling. I say thing because in their
ruling the are essentially saying that even though Timpview self-reported
itself...that Timpview was trying to cheat. However, in regards to East, even
though another school reported the violation...that East was not cheating, it
was merely confused.This is hard for people to understand. What did
Highland see that caused them to report the infraction? Whatever Highland
saw...why didn't East already know about it? Then...to simply name them as
the #4 seed is totally arbitrary. If you contact the UHSAA...they cannot tell
you East's overall record and they cannot tell you East's regional
record. East is either (1-8,1-4) and out of the playoffs or (8-1,5-0) and the
The whole thing is a travesty. Why can't we disband the UHSAA, play where
you live, and let the Utah State Legislature handle those cases?
The panel seems to have been moved by a bunch of sobbing athletes. Dispassionate
observation, but so it seems.The rules typically call for forfeits
and if the forfeits knock them from the play-offs then that where the chips
should fall. I support complaints that East shouldn't be in. I support
the arguments about values.But for the complaints about the timing
of facing East in the play-offs, not much sympathy here. If you want to claim
to be the best team in the state, then why not relish the chance to beat what is
arguably the best team in the state in any round, and even better if played on
your home field?A few years ago, the team I support was able to play
and defeat all three of the other region champs (1 in regular season and 2 in
playoffs). Makes it more satisfying. I don't believe East should be in
the play-offs, but since they are, wouldn't you want to be the team that
knocks them off? I'm assuming that the real challengers for the 4A title
had all assumed they would have to go through East anyway.
You can make a different decision in both of these cases because they are
different (Timpview and East). The rules give discretion to the panels to make
rulings that MAY include forfeit but do not require it. This allows them to
consider the facts of each particular case and give sanctions accordingly.
These situations are not one size fits all. For example East's punishment
requires a 3 game suspension of their coach while the Timpview coach has no
suspension. This happens in our legal system every day and this is no
different. And since none of us know all the details of each of these cases we
can not truly comment on the differnet sanctions that were handed down