"Not bad for playing the toughest schedule in school history."What are you talking about? "Not bad" indeed! Bronco gave the same
excuse in an interview. I disagree.In just the past 5 years, BYU has
had schedules ranked by the NCAA as "tougher" or close to as
"tough" as this year's schedule.2010 is the toughest
ranked schedule BYU has had so far, ranked just above TCU and Utah. Record:
7-6After that dismal season, the Cougs went Indy: SOS wasn't
even ranked in the top 100, below Utah St. and barely above Idaho! Record:
10-3.This year, BYU's SOS is way below Idaho's, and just
above UNLV's. Record so far: 4-4SOS for 2009 and 2008 were
pretty close to the same as this year. Record: 11-2, 10-3 respectively."Not bad" -- Ha!
Opportunities missed. The season's over. A bust. The rest of the games are
almost auto "W's". Riley will be gone next year. Hopefully, Bronco
learns and Doman gets an offer to become the OC at "Big Conf program".
At some point, you play the best players and avoid the critical mistakes that
Riley is legendary for. That didn't happpen. We got a lead then Doman
"turtled" up hoping the final gun would sound. You can't win like
that. The first time a critical play came along, Nelson made like the energetic
puppy we've come to know - and that excites his coaches - and he wet on the
carpet.We all just have to take a deep breath, think about what
could have been and fade quietly into the night. Root for Taysom's knee
I don't watch the present games anymore, I watch the reruns of when the Y
was for real with Young, Boscoe, Detmer etc. At least I can relish in the days I
was present at several of those holiday bowls watching a team that could
actually score on offense.
Why do I think that there's politics, favoritism - if not corruption - in
BYU football? Bronco should never say he "loves" a particular player -
Riley, that is. Riley has never shown any promise since I've seen him in a
BYU uniform, Jake Heaps may have made some mistakes but he showed promise
especially with some good training and coaching (not necessarily from the
present staff, esp, Doman). But BYU has always seemed to FAVOR Riley for
apparently some other reason besides quarterback skills - cause he never showed
or proven any...well except for his propensity and penchant for running the
ball, in which case Bronco should have let him be a running - not a quarter (pun
intended) - back. Anyway I hope BYU Athletics Dept and football coaching staff
will DO THINGS RIGHT - on and off the field - for next year, otherwise BYU is
starting to see glimpses of doom and gloom for its football program. A haunting
thought indeed, Bronco!
Would Gary Crowton consider coming back as Offensive Coordinator?Just wondering...
People forget how much trouble BYU had with PAC 10 and Big 10 teams during the
Lavell years. We held our own well with 2 top ten teams these past 2 weeks.
Disappointing we couldn't come up with a win.
Honestly the only way to get respect is to win games. Even Utah fans with their
poor win loss record so far this year still stick it to the BYU football program
and why because they (again) beat BYU this year. The only way that BYU is going
to start getting respect again is to start winning games. Perhaps the Notre
Dame game was a game that could have been won. But until the team does win
another game it doesn't mean a thing. Look at the recent Nebraska game vs
Northwestern, Nebraska refused to give up and found a way to win the game and
won it by one point. Until BYU starts winning their games against ANY OPPONENT
it doesn't mean anything. Talk is cheap. We are all judged by our actions
Play like you did Saturday the rest of the season and the Cougars go 8-4. Not bad for playing the toughest schedule in school history. Loses to
two undefeated top ten teams, Boise St (6-1), your rival Utah (2-5), and a
signature win over the Aggies (6-2).The Yellow Jackets could be
tough so prepare well and keep your heads up.Finish strongGo Cougars!
It is not just Riley. Bless his heart, he is a true gamer and you got to love
him for his heart and grit.In my opinion it is the coaching.
Imagine a 14 yard net punt with 6:38 left. Sure it was 4th and long, but it
would've been better to go for it. Same as not going for the on-side kick
against Boise with 3:30 to play.You have nothing to lose against the
#5 team in the nation and you punt it to them and let them run out the clock.Oh well, maybe next year! Two years in a row of disappointments. Hope
Van Noy doesn't leave for the draft.
The Irish had an off game,And BYU played above themselves...And still lost.Face it, Cougars, the era of Edward's is over,
and a new era of sub-mediocrity is being pressed into the history books by
Bronco, Doman, and Riley.All the excuse-making in the world will
never change the score, nor the 4-4 (.500) record so far this season.Is anyone ready to admit that going Indy was a bad idea?
This is about bad coaching. Granted Riley is not a D-1 QB but the coaches for
some reason keep with him. Bad coaching decisions and a QB who cannot play even
close to the level of elite competition. Changes need to be made in the off
Re: idablu When Jake Heaps had an offense and an offensive
coordinator, he set BYU freshman passing records as a true freshman. He won a
bowl game going away, was named MVP of that bowl game, and helped make Cody
Hoffman a breakout star. He got better as the season wore on.So
what shot are you referring to? His chance with a passing offense, or his
chance with a new offense and a rookie OC who prizes running QBs over pocket
passers? Let's be fair here. Neither Mendenhall nor Doman know how to
coach a player like Heaps, and they failed miserably where Heaps is
concerned.By the way, Heaps beat the same teams Nelson beat last
year--(WAC teams). Just saying . . . .
I makes me feel bad to criticize Nelson, I think I understand what it is Bronco
see's in him. He is a tough kid, a competitor, a fighter, he wants to win,
badly, you can see it when he speaks. He suffers over the losses. All those
things are great qualities.Unfortunately he just isn't
physically talented enough to be the starting qb at BYU. I wish he was.
I've pulled for him. I've wanted him to do well. I've hoped he
could get it done. He can't.Now the schedule is going to get
much easier and he'll do fine. They'll probably get 8 wins and
they'll definately get in their bowl game. He is good enough against the
competition that remains. Sadly he was not good enough for the competition they
have already played. Despite his desire and fight he just wasn't good
enough. That's his legacy.
NeilT " Yes Riley made one bad throw."I think you missed
the game, sir. If you go back and look at EVERY incomplete pass and some of the
completed passes, you will see that Riley threw very poorly and had lots of bad
passes, some of which were made great completions by the talented receivers who
had to catch passes on their shoe strings or over their heads or too far in
front or a yard behind them on a dead run. Replays of every incomplete pass
showed this. I've been joking that either Riley is aiming for the shoe
strings and is an accurate poor passer, or he is aiming at the numbers (leading
the receiver) and is also a poor passer. In either case, Riley needs to improve
if BYU wants to make a bowl and have a decent showing in their bowl game.
No surprise to me. Nelson has been missing passes since the day he got his
first D-1 start. I'm just perplexed that he has a coach who seems
completely committed to him. Oh we'll there are always better days ahead.
I thought BYU did really well. Notre Dame is ranked fifth in the nation. It
might have been a trap game where the Irish did not come out focused and had the
backup QB in, but ND's defense is really good.Riley was
throwing the ball behind or too high for his receivers, but I don't think
Hill or Lark would be much better passing the ball. Doman's style of
offense requires a "wildcat" type QB, which is why Heaps didn't do
well under Doman. If you want a true passer, BYU might need to hire a new OC
(Detmer?) and have a different scheme and recruit passing QBs. I think Sorenson
would have done well under that type of system, but instead he transferred to
SUU and is getting some NFL scouts looking at him.I am surprised at
some of the comments from fans of a religious institution. Riley did fracture
vertebra and is doing his best--pretty poor form from some of BYU's
fans--pull yourselves together! GA Tech is very beatable (future opponent MTSU
beat them), and then the green-light games, so all should be well very soon.
Riley scored 2 touchdowns against a defense that had allowed only 3 TD's
all season. The offensive game plan and QB play (except for the early
interception) was pretty darn good the first half. The second half, drives were
killed by inopportune penalties and sacks (the O-line started wearing down, just
like the D-line). I would have to agree with Bronco that this was Nelson's
best game this year. The problem is, his best game is not good enough to take us
over that hump in the big games.All this vitriol and personal
attacks agains Nelson, and a call to starting chanting "Lark, Lark" by
some of the fans here is really childish. BYU's coming up short in these
big games is multifactorial--not just on the QB. The O-line shares a big part of
the responsibility. Riley is not a great QB, but he is not as bad as many are
making him out to be.And for those who say Heaps would do better are
delusional. He had his shot and he clearly showed he was not up to the task.
I have to say, they tried there best.
Riley, you will haunt every Cougar fan for the rest of our lives....Lesson
This was Nelson's last opportunity to have a statement game. His
leadership, charisma and grittiness will be overshadowed by turnovers and poor
passes. I can only imagine how frustrated Hoffman and Apo are. Last years Utah
State game is the only real bright spot in his career.All well,
basketball starts on Friday.
That one play will haunt you Riley, but your senior season will haunt BYU for
years to come. The way these coaches have completely mismanaged personnel and
specifically the QB position for the last three years now is unheard of. This loss is squarely on the coaches. When you play someone at QB who
really shouldn't be playing QB, it's not the QB's fault.
The Cougs did better than I think any of us thought they would, thanks to good
defense.I will admit that my score prediction was off at 38-6. But
really, not by much. And an L is an L.Take solace in the fact that
you are not as sorry as Utah.
I thought BYU played as well if not better than anyone expected. Did anyone
notice how quiet the ND fans were for most of the game. Yes Riley made one bad
throw. What Quarterback hasn't. Fans are way to crtical of Riley and
Doman. BYU gave ND all they could handle and nearly pulled off a huge upset.
My concern is not Riley it is the kicking game. What is with all the missed
field goal attempts. It is not just BYU it is USU. The Aggies missed a chance
to pull of a huge win against Wisconsin due to a missed field goal. And BYU
missed an easy FG that could have tied ND and put the game in OT. Even ND
missed a 28 yard FG. A top five team with a kicker that make a 28 yard FG.
There were several passes that were either behind the receiver or in the case of
the pass to Falslev, short by 90% of the target. Surprisingly, this was a
winnable game. Ah well, such is the life of a fan this year; remorse, regret,
Another back up quarterback beats BYU. We have been haunted by quarterback
issues since Riley's mission. BYU has no offense and no direction. So
much for Bronco's ad about winning the close ones. Isn't it about
time for Holmoe to intervene. If not, lets clear house at the end of this
miserable season. Beating Idaho by 40 will not salvage this train wreck!
I predict Riley will haunt Bronco and Brandon for the rest of their lives as
well. What a collosial and painful mistake.
Riley is Utah States revenge. We beat them only by not playing him, but when he
plays all we get are gritty losses. He will do great against WAC teams, where
he should have been playing all along. Oh well, at least there's next
Bronco is not a coach. Doman is not an OC. Riley is not a QB. In pee
wee football they woupld probably go undereadted.not here, not now,
Nelson could not hit the broad side of a barn in the 2nd half even with wide
open receivers that had for sure touchdowns open that would have won the game!
Lark could have hit receivers that wide open without warming up and with his
eyes closed! Are the coaches so caught up to Riley's blind loyalty that
they are willing to lose every big and winnable game in a season so they
don't look bad for going with the wrong quarterback all this time and
getting rid of Heaps? I Love Riley's toughness and leadership, his arm is
OK when he is healthy, but he is obviously not healthy, most of his passes were
off by 10 yards in the 2nd half and a healthy Lark would have won that game for
them in the 2nd!!! Bronco and Doman are losing their fans with their
unexplicable coaching decisions and stuborness! I am beginning to think a
coaching change might be required for BYU to take a step forward from the same
old mediocre rut!
@UtahBlueDevilIn fairness those are back to back top 10 teams that
happened to lose their starting quarterback the game before they faced BYU.
For those who are more than willing to lay the blame on one or two players or
coaches, just look at a replay of the game with your emotions in control. You
will clearly see that Riley was harassed, chased, hit, sacked, etc. throughout
the game. A repeat of the games that BYU has lost. In the first
quarter, most of BYU's drives ended with QB sacks. On the promising drive
in the 2nd half that resulted with a missed field goal attempt on 4th down,
Riley, on the previous play, was supposed to fake a hand off, keep his back to
the line, turn and deliver a pass. Unfortunately, when he turned to throw, all
he could see were ND players on him. It's hard to execute a successful
offense when blocking is in short supply. No matter what players and coaches
say, a defense will only produce at a successful level when they believe their
efforts will be rewarded with scoring by the offense.It is easy to
speculate that the defense believes that if more than a TD is scored against the
team, the offense won't be able to pull it out.
Dear Jeff Call,Riley Nelson did not miss just one key pass. He
missed a truck load of them. Make him a fullback and bring in a QB who can throw
the ball rather than hold onto it like it was the last one on earth. Give Lark a
shot. He can't do any worse than Riley.
"In my time here, I've been a part of some blowouts against some good
teams," Correction, Riley Nelson you have not blown out or even beating
any good teams. His best victory was against an average (7-6) Utah State team
last year and they barely squeaked that game out on a lucky bounce. I would
love to hear what good teams he thinks he has "blown out"!
Nelson is haunting BYU!
The Riley/Bronco/Doman bromance continues. Next Saturday could also be a
very grim day, and San Jose State no longer looks like a gimme. Spare us
the "We came really close to beating the #5 team" talk. At some point
just avoiding a blowout isn't enough. You actually have to beat a quality
opponent. This a talent laden BYU team being led on the field by a guy who
can't make the throws to run a complete and effective offense. But he
is gritty, scrappy, plucky and he tries really hard, and that makes him Bronco
& Brandon's kind of player. With more talented players sitting on
the bench and chased from the program, why would any other top prospect consider
BYU?Unfortunately, the most likely scenario has BYU destroying inferior
teams to end this year and heading into next season without addressing
fundamental flaws. Is mediocrity an acceptable outcome for an independent
BYU? Tom Holmoe should be asked that question.
To Jonathan Eddy - most of us do not care what you think or that you are
apathetic. And no, BYU football is not at an impasse with you. BYU football
doesn't even know who you are. And for those of you constantly calling for
Lark, you have ZERO clue. I suppose you are the same SO-called fans who
we're chanting, RiLEY, RILEY, RILEY, at LES last year.
"In my time here, I've been a part of some blowouts against some good
teams," he said.Really?Riley has a 60 QB rating vs winning
teams. This season he gave Boise all their points, Utah 14 and Oregon St 14,
while denying BYU a chance to score with each INT, He has 12 INT's and at
least 4 fumbles lost, and in the first three losses it was his 10 INT's vs
ZERO, zip, nada, for the opponents. I charted each of his passes in this game,
and several before, he tosses a wobbly ball, too low, too high, behind the WR,
and on long throws, its RAINBOW time. A gutsy, gritty competitor that Bronco
loves because it reminds him of the player he was in college, but not a guy who
can pass well enough to stretch the defense or to play error free. It seems that
every one gets it but Bronco. I don't want to be negative but it will be a
great day when Brandon Doman no longer has the key to the offense. Alums
(Detmer, Heimuli) visiting claim the BYU offensive DNA is gone, let's get
I think what many are missing here is this years team is playing one of the
hardest regular season schedules BYU has had to play - back to back top 10
teams, heading east more than most years. Yes, they have their issues. No, I
never believed they could be ND - anyone who did was fooling themselves. But
BYU rose to the occasion - and did better than most gave them a chance to. Remember, the old glory days teams when they got to bowls had come
through cream puff WAC and MWC schedules, with only a couple of challenging
games all year - so they stayed healthy longer. Now they are play a real
schedule, they are playing tougher teams, that has a lot more wear and tear on
the teams. So, don't get down too much. This is what the top
20 teams in the rest of the country have had to endure year in and year out.
Get used to it - your not playing in the MWC or WAC anymore. Expectations need
to be set accordingly.
I hate to say it but,.... Bronco, Doman,..... I have now become apathetic. I
don't really care how this season plays out anymore and frankly it appears
that neither do you. I'm not upset that you lost. It's the way that
you lose that has turned aggravation into apathy. You know you need a QB change
but you won't. So, if you don't care enough to try something different
like seeing if Lark can hit targets that the other QB obviously can't, what
am I supposed to cheer for? Nothing. We are at an impasse.
ND had just as bad a QB but did you see the holes the line opened up. Defense
can't be on the field all day and stay in the game
We won't see Lark unless Riley is hurt. If Lark came in and did well it
would make the coaches look bad for sticking with Riley. They one game away from
winning with any QB for the rest of the season. We probably will never know how
good Lark would have been.
Where is LarkThis is getting ridiculous
oh, one more thing...that interception that will be called a "tip" and
not your fault? Well, as all your balls are, it was too high, and behind
him...so of course it got tipped...and that was all on your arm and lack of arm.
Sad for us fans.
Please, please.....a quarterback that can throw a decent pass. Is that too much
to ask? So frustrating to watch!!
Riley has no confidence in throwing the long ball and is not all that accurate
on short passes, high low or behind receivers. I don't know if the play
calling is conservative because they don't trust Riley not to make mistakes
or bad passes or if we are play not to lose. The BYU of old would have
done the two minute drill when they got the ball right before the end of the
first half. They should have tried it just to show they are hungry and really
believe they can win. One more score would have taken the heat off of the
Ernest T. Bass is on his game tonight. I really want to hear from Mildred in
Fillmore! The good news for Cougars fans is that BYU will win the
rest of its games and Bronco will never have to admit that he was wrong in being
such a toad to Jake Heaps. The local media is too soft to burn him for not
playing fifth year senior James Lark, a player who was recruited ahead of
Nelson. People forget that Lark was one of the top 25 recruits in the country
when he came out of high school. Lark has a cannon for an arm and could have
been hitting Hoffman and Apo in stride with deep balls all year long. But who
cares about accuracy and ball control from the quarterback position, right?
After all, we have Scrappy Doo at quarterback!