BYU football: Cougars squander lead in 17-14 loss to No. 5 Notre Dame

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  • come_on_man draper, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 12:09 a.m.

    Who am I sir,

    and who cares if you can be in the top 1/3 of all college Div 1 teams means you are not ranked higher then the top 40!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    BYU and UTAH are what they are, maybe not in the top half of college football and

    Oct. 21, 2012 8:40 a.m.

    Zamboni and cvguy

    I don't disagree too much with you - my point is BYU is in the mix but cannot get the job done. a few plays is not the story of every 4-4 team. Most 4-4 teams get beat by 14 or 21 points a game. BYU lost to Utah, BSU and Notre Dame by a combined total of 7 points. The OSU score was close until two plays broke it open in the fourth.

    For those Utes that think a BYU fans cannot admit mediocrity - well you are right. This is a good team with a mediocre record. They should be better and they are not. This is not mediocrity but failure to produce when it was needed. The result by the way looks the same - losing. And I will tell you this - it feels a lot worse. If they were just average I would not feel this bad about their record. In fact if they were just mediocre I might even feel better about the whole year.

    As for Utah State last year that was the most unlucky team I ever saw play football and some how they did it again this year.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 21, 2012 6:15 a.m.

    Bronco is not a coach. Doman is not an OC. Riley is not a
    QB. Nuff said?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 21, 2012 2:15 a.m.


    We in McAllen Texas agree.

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    Oct. 20, 2012 10:56 p.m.

    Despite the score, this was by far BYU's worst game defensively. They gave up 270 Yards rushing, which means their bigs were getting shoved around. Everyone blames Riley, but he's not the one calling to short passes that went nowhere.

    I wonder if blaming the quarterback is some kind of disease with BYU fans. The last time I checked Football was a team sport. Why would a top QB prospect risk coming to BYU knowing that they'll be the scapegoat like Heaps and Riley for the teams failures.

  • buryme Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 20, 2012 10:23 p.m.

    If Riley was a Junior, I would bet my life that every BYU receiver would transfer before next year.

  • Frozen Chosen Savage, MN
    Oct. 20, 2012 9:59 p.m.

    Riley Nelson cannot graduate fast enough for me - I'm getting so tired of him missing wide open receivers.

    Someone should ask Ross Apo if he's tired of picking up swing passes off the turf - how hard can it be to hit a 6'3" receiver in the brisket who's basically standing still?

    If the 0-line can develop, the offense next year with Hill and Williams should be pretty good - unlike this year's open-pass missing, no field goal abomination...

  • U Student Y Fan Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 9:33 p.m.

    Bronco spits in the face of every fan each time Riley takes the field. He's saying his relationship with Rley is more important than the fan base that pays his exorbitant salary.

    What is most telling is that last drive of the game. BYU had 22 seconds to go 75 yards. Even if Nelson were the best QB on the roster, he is clearly not capable of getting the job done in that situation. At some point, you're going to have to throw a ball more than 15 yards downfield. Lark or Munns, even if overall inferior to Nelson (which I don't believe to be true), would give you a much better chance in that situation.

    Bronco's decision to leave Nelson in should be the last straw for every honest BYU fan.

  • Inevitable R.Nelson Interception Provo, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 9:12 p.m.

    well said zamboni!!

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Oct. 20, 2012 8:49 p.m.

    Springville, UT
    Oh well, good game to watch, some improvement, Cougars scored two touchdowns against a #5 team.

    Cougars did as well against Notre Dame as any BCS team this year.

    Another Ute beat down will make me feel better.

    Go Beavers!


    HA HA!

    Nothing like being codependent on another team to deal with another BYU choke job.

  • the zamboni Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 8:31 p.m.

    @BYU Joe: "We are about six plays away from being undefeated and ranked in the top eight..."

    Sorry pal, but that's the story of every 4-4 team. By your logic, Utah State was about six plays away from playing in the national title game last year. Why is it so hard for BYU fans to admit they have a mediocre team? Why do you continue to insist that you have great teams with mediocre records and next to no wins over quality programs? Just admit that you're not that good.

  • aunt lucy Looneyville, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 8:24 p.m.

    Can't beat the big guys without quality QB play. The offense is too conservative and predictable. No down field threat at all. Never seen a more stubborn coach. I wish Bronco had fallen in love with heaps. He might not have been ready but he was young and he could throw. If he had matured even a little bit he makes this year's team something special. Why is it Bronco can't see what the entire Cougar nation can see?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 7:54 p.m.

    We totally could have won but Noter Dame didn't want to be there.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 7:53 p.m.


  • cvguy Lehi, Utah
    Oct. 20, 2012 7:47 p.m.

    re: BYU Joe

    1. Bronco is an exceptional Defensive Coach and this BYU Defense is as good as any we have had in years.

    What about the last two games? The defense is to blame. The offense today scored twice against a team that had allowed 3 total td's all season. Last week the offense scored 24 points and the defense blew it.

    6 plays from being undefeated? Wow! Makes me speechless.

  • golsen7 Bonneville, ID
    Oct. 20, 2012 7:21 p.m.

    They never really stretched the defense. The play calling was conservative after they went up by a touchdown. It use to be that BYU would do the two minute drill and try to get a score before half time. It is like they are trying not to lose instead of trying to take it to the other team and win. Maybe this is because they don't trust Riley to not make a bad decision or throw. They should have done it to give the team experience for doing it at the end of games.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 7:13 p.m.

    To be fair to Riley, It looked to me like Hoffman was going to cut to the right in order to run down the sidelines after catching the ball. I think that is what Riley thought also. Instead, Hoffman cut to the inside just as Riley threw the ball. Maybe I'm wrong, but that is what I thought at the time. Good job, team. You did us proud. We love you.

  • CT98 Saint George, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 7:12 p.m.

    James Lark should have played. Riley is simply not a passing QB. We need a passing QB at BYU. All Fans should Chant the name James Lark at the next game. This is ridiculous.

    Oct. 20, 2012 7:02 p.m.

    Here is the plain truth.

    1. Bronco is an exceptional Defensive Coach and this BYU Defense is as good as any we have had in years.

    2. Because Bronco is NOT an offensive mind we need a strong and complete Offensive Coach that can run the entire offense _ we currently do not have that and it show.

    3. We are about six plays away from being undefeated and ranked in the top eight but the complete lack of offense has made it so we are no 4-4 and this season is a major disappointment.

    4. If you disagree all you have to do is look at the Utah bad snap, missed field goal, two points instead of on at BSU, a batted pass and interception against OSU and then missed field goal and a missed pass to Hoffman today.

    Most of these relate directly to the offense and the position they have kept us in all season. Which sadly is why we are 4-4 instead of ranked in the top 10 and knocking on the door.

  • mountainflying Logan, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 6:51 p.m.

    BYU is very fortunate that Notre Dame had their back up QB...With Golson in, BYU would have probably lost be way more points.

  • cvguy Lehi, Utah
    Oct. 20, 2012 6:32 p.m.

    Riley completed over 60 percent of his passes, threw one interception of a tip and another on the last play. He threw two touchdown passes against a defense that had allowed only 3 td's for the year. He had to run for his life because of a shaky offensive line. Yet, it is his fault BYU lost, how about the defense that gave up over 200 yards rushing? I think the defense totally blew the game for BYU, Riley isn't the greatest thrower but his scrambling is the only reason BYU was close.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 6:14 p.m.

    re: worf

    a loss is a loss is a loss regardless of whether its to a hated instate rival or an alleged 'Brother in Independence'

  • Chase Saint George, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 6:10 p.m.

    Here is some history for you . . .

    BYU has won 5 games in the past 34 (going back to the beginning of 2010) against teams with winning records...
    • USU (twice - and last years USU team was only 7-6)
    • UW
    • SDSU
    • Tulsa

    If that's not an ugly 34 game span, I don't know what is.

    As I've said before, BYU has plateaued under Bronco, and Doman is NOT helping. BYU only scores lots of points against pathetic teams. The BYU of old has faded into the horizon . . .

  • ET Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 20, 2012 6:07 p.m.

    This team could be so good. If only we had a quarterback an offensive coordinator! Drat.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:56 p.m.

    Losing to Notre Dame is more honorable then losing to the utes and pac 12 refs.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:55 p.m.

    re: Inevitable R.Nelson Interception

    Agreed? Darn those 3 point losses.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:55 p.m.

    Riley does some good things, and had great moments in the game. However, he is not a great QB. That throw to Hoffman should have been a TD. Should have, if we had anybody else taking the snaps at QB.

  • Dr Rush Saint George, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:50 p.m.

    Sorry Coug fans but there are no moral victories, once again Nelson proved that he looks better on the sideline than in the game. You better put Lark in before it's too late, oh wait I forgot that Mendenhall and Doman think the skateboarding QB is their answer, total incompetence.

    Oct. 20, 2012 5:46 p.m.


    Another beatdown? As I recall, your team lost to the Utes (again).

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:45 p.m.

    A very good showing! Next week could be interesting. Georgia Tech 3-4 with a win over "Presbyterian" gives hope. But regardless, after that game BYU will once again regain their football dominance. Finishing the season overwhelming opponents. Then the bowl game against a team with a non-losing record. Should be a great match-up.

    (Note the time of this post. It's much easier prior to our game at OSU!)

  • Mortoon Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:36 p.m.

    BYU could easily be undefeated but for riley Nelson. Next week BYU will dip below .500 for the first time in a long time. Time for some changes.

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:31 p.m.

    I wonder what dirt Riley has on Bronco where he continues to play him when he messes up,that pass that he missed Hoffman on was ridiculous,i,m 61years old and could have completed that pass,it cost BYU the game,everybody who is unhappy with the play of Riley needs to call Holmo at his office and protest and if you hold season tickets tell him that if there is not a change in QB,s that you wont be season ticket holders anymore,Give Lark a chance to see what he can do ,he certainly could not do any worse.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:30 p.m.

    1st and 10 on their 35, down by 3, 6 minutes left. It's either 4 down territory, or you want to try a field goal. Either way, you don't call a pass, and you don't get sacked on 1st down. You also don't punt the ball away to a team that has been running it down your throat. 4 down territory or at the very least, keep the ball within field goal range (poor kicker or not).

    BYU has squandered 3 potential wins through incredibly poor game management.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:28 p.m.

    Bronco and Doman chose Riley over Heaps? Wow. Most of Riley's throws weren't even close and it is obvious that he isn't a division 1 quarterback.

    Players should feel good about the effort but tormented by the outcome. That one was there for the taking.

    Keep your heads up.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:27 p.m.

    Defense played well enough to win. Although it would have been nice if they could have made a more timely stop toward the end of the game. Offense couldn't score in the 2nd half. Notre Dame demonstrated what an offensive line is supposed to look like. Truly dominating. They wore us down in the last quarter and we couldn't tackle #6.

    Once again really untimely penalties and sacks toward the end killed us. Nelson makes plays but he just doesn't have the skill to take this team to the next level. Terrible passer. The deep ball is open but our QB can't get the ball to the receiver.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:25 p.m.

    I have to admit that I was pleasantly surprised that they could play at this level. ND is an excellent team and it was understandable that we could sense the tide turning in the 3rd quarter. Riley has to execute better and make fewer bad pass attempts. If they had played like this the earlier games, they would have impressed far more folks across this country, including me, just a fan. The next two games will tell a lot about whether or not this was a fluke. Go Cougars. Please exceed my expectations as you did today. Make if an 8-4 season now.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:23 p.m.


    BYU's O-line was awful. 66 yards rushing and Riley spent the entire game running for his life.

    That being said, The Cougs had a strong showing and probably should have won. The missed pass to Hoffman would have been the game winner. It's a tough break, but at the very least it will give BYU some confidence going into Atlanta next week.

  • bosshog Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:22 p.m.

    Norte Dame second string quarterback is worse than Riley Nelson, the second touchdown wasn't a touchdown. Byu was lucky to even make it close, bronco is the more dullest coach I have ever seen I have seen dead people with more expression.

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:17 p.m.

    Defense looked good for the most part. Offense not so good. Riley has a lot of heart but he has a 'water gun' of an arm. That wobbly pass that was a good 10 yards away from a wide open Cody Hoffman sums this whole season up.

  • USNGary South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:09 p.m.

    Can we please get a QB that is accurate? Hoffman wide open on that last drive for a TD, missed him by 5 yards.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:09 p.m.

    The offense had to play a perfect game in order to win this one. The first interception ended up costing BYU the game. I think that Riley's back is still a problem. He couldn't throw a pass longer than 20 yards. On the positive side, this is the first game that the offensive line played a good game.

    This game shows that BYU has a national power defense, and a fair offense. Notre Dame continues to be a class-act. I wish them the best. They have a great team.


  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:08 p.m.

    At no point did I feel like BYU was going to win that game. The definition of what Bronco's team is this year was clearly illustrated when Nelson badly missed a wide open Hoffman for what would have been the leading TD in the 4th quarter. While Riley is a likable guy and I really would have liked to see him get this win and have just one win in his career that he could claim was a great win, the truth is that he just isn't good enough. Frankly he is a very bad thrower.

    I wonder why Bronco has been so willing to stiff the fanbase, the school, and the rest of the team by allowing this guy to ineptly ruin game after game.

  • gb97 American Fork, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:08 p.m.

    You already have three losses, you're on the road of pulling off a major upset that can reinvigorate your program, in Notre Dame territory and you punt the ball to let Notre Dame run out the clock. Show some guts!

  • Inevitable R.Nelson Interception Provo, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:02 p.m.

    We were a couple bad plays away from knocking of the #5 team in the country!! And a couple more from an undefeated season.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 20, 2012 5:02 p.m.

    Riley is such a poor quarterback! Anyone else would have won this game. Bronco says he likes Riley's performance. Big surprise. He "gave us a chance to win" would fit well someday on Riley's headstone. We would need to add, " but we didn't , again."

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 4:58 p.m.

    We didn't get spanked as badly as I feared. Nelson only threw 2 interceptions. Huge sacks really hurt! All in all, better outcome than expected. Too bad we don't have a QB with an arm.

  • AribaD Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 4:58 p.m.

    What a frustrating game. With a decent quarterback BYU wins by two touchdowns. Grit is highly overrated.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 4:57 p.m.

    Oh well, good game to watch, some improvement, Cougars scored two touchdowns against a #5 team.

    Cougars did as well against Notre Dame as any BCS team this year.

    Another Ute beat down will make me feel better.

    Go Beavers!

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Oct. 20, 2012 4:54 p.m.

    Buy the field goal kicker a new leg so he can make the field goals