Sen. Orrin Hatch, Scott Howell tussle over partisanship, Obamacare

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  • Kate Hutch Kenmore, WA
    Oct. 20, 2012 1:52 p.m.

    The poster above, "procuradorfiscal" says democrats are big environment, big education, and big labor. What is wrong with wanting our citizens to be educated (educated people earn more), be compensated well and be provided good working conditions, (that is what unions fight for,) and have all of us live in a clean environment with clean water to drink and clean air to breathe? You act as if these are bad things.

  • Elaine Douglass Grand, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    "Senate candidate Scott Howell wants voters to know that not all Democrats are evil." What kind of a way is that to start a newspaper article? It's not a quote from Orrin Hatch. It's something the reporter dreamed up to say and I think he needs to go back to the drawing board, or, journalism school, or consult his religious counselor. Likewise the Deseret News. Haven't you heard? Even Fox News has decided to engage in objective reporting.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 18, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    Re: one old man Ogden, UT
    "Hatch was trounced completely"

    I can't speak for you but personally I'd much rather be trounced during a debate and save the payback for election day.

  • Red Smith American Fork, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    Orin Hatch will win for sure. They should just do lunch. Both are great men.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    During the past term Orrin who says it takes the ability to work with the other party voted no to every single "other" party idea. Tell me how is that working with the other party?

    Mitt needs him in Washington is probably an understatement but if Mitt doesn't get there the people of Utah need someone who will get beyond his own personal agenda and work for the benefit of the country and state.

    Orrins recent record of avoiding working at all with the opposition party dictates another locked down anemic government session with both parties saying and thinking they are right and we as taxpayers fund their ridiculously expensive charades.

    Orrin has proved as a piece of the Washington puzzle he can't balance the budget or fix the economy. One would have to ask why, as voters would we return him to Washington when our expectations have not changed and he has proven himself ineffective to work with those who can fix the economic woes of our nation.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 8:19 a.m.

    Watching the debate last night on Channel 7 was a hoot.

    Hatch was trounced completely. Howell showed everyone who does not already have a preconceived notion just how much Hatch is limited in his ability to think and act in the best interests of America by the GOP dogma.

    It's long past time to sent Orrin out to pasture in Pennsylvania.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 7:48 a.m.

    No such thing as a conservative Democrat. Harry Reid was considered to be a conservative Democrat. Look what happened to him when he got into his position of power.

  • happylife OREM, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 10:02 p.m.

    I could support many democrats in a state wide election because even though I am a Republican, I believe that the Utah Republican party has too much power within the state and are too often corrupt. I could definitely support Howell or Matheson statewide but I can never support any Democrat nationally. I am not happy with Hatch. I would support Howell over Hatch if Howell was running as a Republican, but I cannot and will never vote for any Democrat which would give that party more power and a chance to have majority control in the House or the Senate on a national level. To me, the Democratic party stands for so much that is simply evil. They enslave the poor in dependency under the guise of helping them just to keep themselves in power and they push every immoral social issue that goes against everything that I believe in. For those reasons, I can never support a Democrat running for national office.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 7:37 p.m.

    Furry, LDS Lib, old man,
    Give it up, Hatch is going to win, and in 6 years another repub will take his place.

    Old man,
    If BO is re-elected, it will be an even bigger disaster than when the Big One hits us. Earthquake damage can be repaired.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 17, 2012 5:07 p.m.


    I understand exactly why each party has a whip, and that is the partisan politics that I detest. I prefer to look for candidates who won't always tow the party line and aren't afraid of their own party leadership. The problem we have in this country is that elections and subsequently lawmaking has become about R's and D's not about what is best for the country. When we have lawmakers who sign pledges like the Grover Nordquist pledge, then we have not put country first, we have put Grover Nordquist first. You can have principles and be a member of either party or be an independent. A want my lawmakers to go to Washington, study the issue, listen to the debate and then vote based on what is best for this country, not what is best for the party or an individual, or group, and quite frankly I could care less whether they are R's or D's.

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 5:00 p.m.

    "What do you call a Senator who's served in office for 36 years? You call him home!"

    We can only hope but in this Republican controlled state, I fear Howell doesn't have a chance.

    Besides, Hatch "saved" Hill Air Force Base, just ask him!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 4:46 p.m.

    If Hatch is re-elected, it will be an even bigger disaster than when the Big One hits us. Earthquake damage can be repaired.

  • Middle-Conservative Provo, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 3:12 p.m.

    I listened to the debate and I will be watching it tonight. From what I heard, Scott Howell beat down Orrin Hatch. All Orrin could say was that Romney needs me, and Howell is a democrat.

    Hatch offerend nothing for what he'll do in the senate except support Romney. We've heard this before, he said the same stuff back in 2000, and that George Bush needed him, and look where that got us. As for someone that's voted for Hatch every time I've been able to, Utah is better off without Hatch and we need Scott Howell.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 17, 2012 2:16 p.m.

    Re: Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    "Rifleman did Orrin get permission in 1997 when he cosponsored SCHIP with Ted Kennedy ..."

    There are back room deals made every day by both parties. How do you think Obama was able to get Obamacare passed? If you want your party's help getting re-elected you learn real quick that you have to play ball. Frankly I'm quite surprised that everyone doesn't understand why both parties have "whips"!!

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 1:42 p.m.

    Re: "It's unfair to paint the Democratic Party with a broad brush, [Howell] said."

    It's not unfair, at all.

    The party effectively enforces a rigid, radical, ultra-liberal, Big-Environment, Big-Labor, Big-Education, anti-American orthodoxy on its officers, leaders, and elected officials. It requires, at least tacit support for abortion, unlimited welfare, sexual perversion, and open borders as a litmus test of whether to provide political and financial support to candidates and campaigns. In the name of "big-tent politics" it ignores, even belittles pleas, from even long-time members -- like me -- to take into account and represent the views of a majority of its members.

    So, though it's inarguable that there are many, many good, decent members of the party, as an organization, it ceased representing us and our views years ago.

    And that's certainly not painting with too broad a brush.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 17, 2012 1:29 p.m.


    Voting to create term limits only applies for Democrats like Jim Matheson. Or when you have a more radical republican than Bob Bennett.

    "What do you call a Senator who's served in office for 18 years? You call him home" Senator Orrin Hatch speaking about US Senator Frank Moss.

    Rifleman did Orrin get permission in 1997 when he cosponsored SCHIP with Ted Kennedy in 1997? That by the way would be a federally mandated health care plan that preceded the Affordable Health Care Act

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 12:49 p.m.

    I watched/listened to the debate.

    Scott Howell SMOKED Orrin Hatch!

    All Hatch could say when confronted with his miserable voting record was -- "Mitt Romney needs me back in Washington."

    Howell even joked, "Am I running against you, or Mitt Romeny here?"

    The Sheeple will vote for letter R, the rest of will vote our conscious and whats right for this State.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 17, 2012 12:44 p.m.

    Re: Furry1993 Ogden, UT

    Sen. Hatch told it like it is. Party whips are the party 'enforcers', who typically offer both inducements and punishments to party members. Once elected Mr. Howell would need permission to vote in opposition to his party.

    Like it or not it is a fact of life that only the naive don't understand.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 12:35 p.m.

    What a perfect way to impose term limits! Vote for Howell. He's conservative, and will work for (and well represent) Utah.