Utah Utes have their backs against the wall going into game against UCLA

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  • Proud Ute ,
    Oct. 11, 2012 10:07 p.m.

    Will some kind and patient Cougar please explain the concept of college eligibility to "Solomon".

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Oct. 10, 2012 10:13 p.m.

    "Do you realize that Utah currently has 22 players in the NFL..."

    And how, pray tell, has that helped the Utes be competitive in their new conference.

    The reality that is slowly starting dawn on the kids on the hill is that being a perennial bottom dweller in a "big boy" conference isn't all that they thought it was going to be.

    Call us when you finally beat a PAC team with a winning record.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 10, 2012 4:50 p.m.

    Two for Flinching and Ute95

    Certain individuals will debate you if you say that grass is green. I totally agree with your take on bowls. With a few exceptions the best bowls are played later in the season, and pay more money; every college football fan knows that; regardless of what program you pull for. Take Care Guys.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2012 3:48 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    I never said the Sun Bowl was the most prestigious bowl in the land or even that anybody outside of Utah or Atlanta will remember it.

    However, you're continued attempts to discredit the Sun Bowl are laughable. You even made my point for me. Utah's bowl game was played on Saturday at noon, when many people are able to watch and attend. This is because people want to watch and attend.

    BYU's bowl game was played at noon on Friday because it is a crappy bowl with very little demand.

    In short, the Sun Bowl is FAR more prestigious than the Armed Forces Bowl. Just as the BCS bowls are far more prestigious than the Sun Bowl.

    Lastly, I have not bragged about anything in this thread. I simply disputed some of the statements put forth by a few of the Cougar fans.

  • cedarcityute cedar city, UT
    Oct. 10, 2012 3:41 p.m.

    Funny that people are already talking about bowl games. You all realize the season isn't even half way over right? Slow down there, turbo!

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Oct. 10, 2012 12:19 p.m.


    The most important thing about bowl games - when you are invited, go win the game! Both Utah and BYU were successful at that last year - congratulations to both teams!

    There is only a handful of truly meaningful bowls, and the rest are a reward for an above average to very good season.

    Biased fans like us, who spend way too much time reading/posting comments in the Deseret News, predictably favor our team's bowl over our rival's. But typically, the higher payout matches what the national fanbase and media think of how "prestigious" a bowl game is. While upper-tier programs don't aspire to the Sun Bowl, claiming that the Armed Forces Bowl is the more desirable game is a stretch.

    If the Armed Forces Bowl is all that, then why was it played on a Friday morning, "when most people are at work?" It's because the game can't attract the viewership to justify televising it in a weekend or evening time slot.

    Last year's Sun Bowl was the 13th most watched bowl game. It had almost twice as many viewers as the Armed Forces Bowl, which had the 33rd most viewers.

  • cedarcityute cedar city, UT
    Oct. 10, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    blah blah blah byu who cares. For you Utah fans, something worth seeing :) Go to youtube and type in Requiem of U - A Tribute to Utah Ute Football. Pretty cool. We can still have a good season guys. Let the bandwagon fans go away! We can still do this, THIS is what college football is about, sticking with your team.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 10, 2012 9:53 a.m.

    Jealous U and Duckhunter

    Do you realize that Utah currently has 22 players in the NFL, compared to 7 by BYU?

    There's your cue: quick, to the time machine!


  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 10, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    @ Ducky

    No matter how hard Utah "Haters" spin it, they have to get in their time machine to debate programs. Score Board Guy, Score Board!


  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 10, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    @spokane ute

    No matter how hard utah "fans" try to spin it, winning a National Championship and a Heisman Trophy so far surpasses anything any team or player at utah has ever done that there is no comparison. National Championships and Heisman Trophies are enshrined in the College Football Hall of Fame. 4th place rankings are not. Just the facts.


  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 10, 2012 8:45 a.m.

    @two for flinching

    "The bigger, more desirable, more prestigious (read better) bowls have higher payouts. That is an indisputable fact.

    I see the BYU fans have keyed in on El Paso."

    There is no "prestige" in going to the sun bowl. Absolutely no one, and I mean no one, outside of utah "fans" and those of us mocking them for thinking it is something great, cares about it, remembers what happened in it, or will ever in their entire lives give it another thought. No one.

    Of ocurse no one will remember BYU's bowl game last year outside of the fans either. Once utah "fans" like yourself understand that fact then you'll quit bragging about going to an armpit of a city and beating a mediocre team in a bowl no one but the "fans" of the teams that played in it cares about. No one cares.

    As far as attendence it is simple. The game in Dallas was played on Friday morning, most people are at work. The bowl in el paso was played on Saturday at noon, most people aren't at work. Switch them around and you get the opposite result.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 10, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    @ Jealous you

    For Starters, I'm not you Little Friend.
    Oviously, the better bowls pay higer amounts. That's a simple fact.
    Also, you may want to do a little reseach prior to posting.
    Utah will earn a 50% split next year ~$10 mill, a 75 % spilt the next year, ~$15 mill, and a full share there after $20 mill +.
    Can't match other PAC 12 facilities? Really? Ever been to Pulman or Boulder? Apparently not.
    Trophy Case? Hmmm, we have two BCS bowl victories over the last 10 years. During that time span Utah has won 8 bowls including the Fiesta, Sugar, Sun, Armed Forces, Emerald, Poinsettia, and Liberty. BYU Heisman? the last time that happened was over 20 years ago. National Championship? Oh, the won from almost 30 years ago? The one where you beat a 6-6 Michigan team, and didn't beat a single ranked team? The only NC that can say that; how embarassing. I love how BYU fans jump in there time machine. 3 in a row, and 8 of the last 11. Score Board!


  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 10, 2012 7:46 a.m.

    @ Ducky

    Get used to San Diego, because that's the only place BYU will ever go for a bowl. As far as math goes, let me make it as simple as I can: $21 > $5. How about some more match?
    Utah 17 - BYU 16
    Utah 54 - BYU 10
    Utah 24 - BYU 21
    Pretty interesting numbers eh? Your inferiority complex grows with each passing week. I also like how you troll the Utah threads and take shot after shot at the program you so envy. Very Classy indeed.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 11:04 p.m.

    The bigger, more desirable, more prestigious (read better) bowls have higher payouts. That is an indisputable fact.

    I see the BYU fans have keyed in on El Paso. What the Sun Bowl lacks in location, it makes up for in tradition and quality games. That is what cfb is all about, right?

    Point and case: BYU's bowl was played in Dallas and drew an attendance of 30,258. Utah's bowl, in El Paso, drew 48,123. Neither game was completely sold out so stadium size isn't the reason for the difference. Maybe someone can explain why BYU, with their better destination and nationwide fan-base couldn't fill a 32,000 seat stadium?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 9:28 p.m.

    @spokane ute

    Only a utah "fan" like yourself would try to claim a 5 million dollar surplus is inferior to 21 million dollars that doesn't yet exist. More evidence of the type of math taught on the hill?


    The payout of a bowl has nothing to do with the desirability of attending it for fans. You can continue to go to el paso every year if you so desire. I'll be happy to go to San Diego, San Francisco, Dallas, and other pleasant destinations.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 4:56 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    As usual for our little friends on the hill, MONEY seems to be the ONLY consideration.

    Utah won't be getting anywhere close to $21 million for another two years, and when the Utes finally granted big boy status in the conference, all of that money will be used to upgrade Utah's facilities, which already lag behind the facilities of BYU and every team in the PAC 12.

    While Utah is upgrading their trailers, the other PAC 12 schools are busy upgrading facilities that were already superior to Utah's. Face it, the Utes will never have the resources to match the other schools in the PAC 12 or BYU.

    As Duckhunter already pointed out, the Utes are still gouging their students and season ticket holders just to make ends meet.

    If you really want to compare "paleness", check out the empty spaces in Utah's trophy case reserved for National Championship and Heisman trophies, then travel on down to Provo and see for yourself what those iconic trophies look like in person.

    btw, how much does the Rice Bowl pay? Your September 15th game may be the closest U get to a bowl this year.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 9, 2012 4:18 p.m.

    Duck Hunter thinks the bowl that pay out less, is better. Too Funny. LOL Next thing you know, he try and explain/spin how the Poinsettia bowl is better than the Sugar Bowl. LOL
    $5 million in surpluss? Pretty pale compared to Utah's $21 million per year, TV Contract.
    Try, try again Duckie! LOL!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 3:27 p.m.

    @Jealous U

    Actually if you go back and look at the last decade or so the #2 Mountain West team was superior to the #4 acc team just about every single year.

    So much for spokane utes "facts" and attempts at educating the rest of us to his crimson clouded view of the college football world.


  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 3:25 p.m.


    I'm really not sure which would be funnier, utah in the new mexico bowl or utah in no bowl. Either would be funny though so it is probably win/win this year.


  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 3:23 p.m.

    @spokane ute

    Posting with an opinion, and no facts to back it up again. Let's review, shall we?

    Poinsettia Bowl (In San Diego most beautiful city and beautiful weather in the country) vs who cares?

    Sun Bowl (in el paso, texas, unquestionably the dirtiest and least desirable city in America noted for murders, drugs, and the Mexican mafia.

    BYU (5 million dollar surplus per year has no need of the added $)

    utah (lowest budget in the pac12, doesn't even get a full payout from the pac12, runs a deficit, has to use student fees to pay its bills, miniscule "fan"base)

    Class is in session again.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 3:08 p.m.


    "being bowl eligible in the PAC 12 still results in a good bowl game. I will take that."

    You want fries with that? Seems my earlier post was considered 'too disruptive'

    I'm assuming the New Mexico Bowl, Kraft Fight Hunger, and Las Vegas Bowls are also 'good bowl games'? Hope so.

    Nice to see these bowls have now been elevated to 'good bowl games' status since the Utes are now in PAC 12 where these are standard fare for the lower tier bowl qualifiers.

    Funny how these bowls were not 'good bowl games' for BYU... go figure.

    I'm rooting for you guys to barely make it. Several of us can have fun with that.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 2:40 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Since when is payout the overwhelming determinant of "better bowl"?

    And who's to say the #4 ACC team is better than the #2 MWC?

    Your "facts" don't prove ANYTHING!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 9, 2012 1:26 p.m.

    @ DuckHunter

    Posting with an opinion, and no facts to back it up again. Let's review, shall we?
    Poinsettia Bowl ($500,000 payout) vs. MWC #2
    Sun Bowl ($2,000,000 payout vs. ACC #4.
    Pretty easy to see which bowl is better.
    Class is in session, again.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 9:20 a.m.


    Actually yes BYU's athletic department does prefer to go to San Diego. Anytime BYU can play in San Diego in front of a huge volume of its fans there they prefer it. While BYU always likes a bit more revenue it is not the main factor for BYU, remember BYU runs an 5 million dollar surplus almost every year in its athletic department. The biggest deal for BYU is exposure to its fans. It does not have to scrounge every dollar it can like utah does to try and close a basicly insurmountable gap in funding between itself and the schools it tries to compete with. That is the utah reality.

    The BYU reality is of plentiful and surplus funds, fans all over the nation, national tv coverage almost every week, a long and storied legacy. Playing in San Diego is better for BYU than playing in the armpit of America el paso. The extra million bucks means little to nothing to them.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 8, 2012 4:12 p.m.


    chris b became utah 27 usc 21. After that didn't happen chris b became violently ill and disappeared. Don't worry as he/she will eventually re-appear and the laughs will be back.


  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 8, 2012 3:53 p.m.

    All UCLA needs is for Chris B. to predict Utah will win and then state "Mark it Down." Haven't seen it yet, though, so maybe the Utes will have a chance.

    You can say you've played in the Rose Bowl after this next game. When Steve Young was the QB BYU won that game in Pasedena, so it is possible.

    I'd be careful about automatically putting Colorado in the win column. You play them in Boulder and last year when all the marbles were on the table and the Buff's came to SLC you promptly folded. And thery were the worst road team in America at the time and you had Norm Chow as OC. So nothing is automatic....that's why you play them.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 8, 2012 3:43 p.m.


    More delusion on your part to think utah will regularly (if ever) play in any better bowl than the Poinsettia. No the sun bowl is not better, it is in el paso, the armpit of America, the Poinsettia is in San Diego and for me, the fan, destination is what matters most. utah may occasionally rise up to the Holiday Bowl, although I doubt that would be more than maybe once per decade, but your standard destinations, when utah even qualifies, will be the new mexico bowl, armed forces bowl, etc. This year utah's, and conversely your, most likely destination is home. Just accept reality and release the delusions.


  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 8, 2012 3:40 p.m.


    You may personally be happy to head to San Diego over El Paso, and I don't blame you, but that doesn't mean BYUs athletic department would feel the same. There's a nice bit of difference in the payout between the two bowl games.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 8, 2012 3:37 p.m.

    Gotta agree with sammyg. Those bowls have always been maligned by utah "fans" even htough utah has played in most of them. Funny how things work out sometimes. Of course utah is going to have a heckuva hard time even getting to one of those "lousy bowls".

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 8, 2012 12:37 p.m.


    Except for the Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, and Rose Bowls (usually), bowl destination has little to do with actual accomplishment.

    I'll take a Top 25 ranking and the Poinsettia Bowl over being unranked and undeservedly playing in supposedly "better" bowl.

    Armed Forces Bowl opponents #34 BYU and #35 Tulsa
    were both ranked higher in the final Sagarin ratings, than
    Sun Bowl opponents #39 Utah and #56 Georgia Tech.

    Frankly, I'll take San Diego over El Paso ANY DAY!

    Oct. 8, 2012 12:16 p.m.


    'delusional like the pre-season pac12 championship, undefeated, rose bowl, predictions.'

    I guess we should be 'normal' and predict the Poinsettia Bowl every year, that's all you guys GOT. Win your 10 games get ranked #25 and play in the Poinsettia Bowl, WOW that's gotta be fun to look forward too.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Oct. 8, 2012 12:15 p.m.


    WSU is home game; Washington is a road game

    If the Utes can pull off a win at UCLA, they have a chance to finish 7-5.

    If the Utes lose badly at UCLA and then again versus Oregon State to go 2-5, it wouldn't be surprising to see them completely implode the rest of the season.

    Oct. 8, 2012 12:09 p.m.


    It has been and always will be the 'normal' for the cougars.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 8, 2012 11:19 a.m.


    Actually Utah needs to go 4-3 to be bowl eligible, not 5-2.

    Three wins that "should" happen are 1) WSU (road), 2) Colorado (road) and 3) Cal (home).

    Winning either the UCLA game this week or the home game against Arizona will be critical in getting bowl eligible in my opinion. I'm not too hopeful when it comes to Washington and OSU. If either of them were at home I'd feel a little differently.

    Prediction ... Utes end the year 6-6 and squeeze into a bowl game.

  • UtahAlumnus St. George, UT
    Oct. 8, 2012 11:09 a.m.

    Wilson at QB is the only shot we have at scoring more than 2 offensive TD's per game. Bench Hays now!

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Oct. 8, 2012 5:40 a.m.

    Bottom line - Utah has to go 5-2 to finish the season to become bowl eligible. It won't be easy.

    Go Utes! There is no margin for error.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 7, 2012 9:58 p.m.

    I don't think any of the scenarios you guys have put forward are outrageous, they could happen. I personally doubt they will but none of them is delusional like the pre-season pac12 championship, undefeated, rose bowl, predictions.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 7, 2012 9:13 p.m.

    Let's go bowling! (PAC-12 projections, at this time, do NOT have us going to a bowl game. However, last year we lost the first four conference games and still played in a very respectable Sun Bowl - against Georgia Tech.

    This year the conference is much tougher. Both UCLA and Arizona are picked to go to bowls. We must start our move now. If we win our remaining home games - Arizona, Washington State, and California. Then win at UCLA and Colorado (Y fans take your shot now.) Oregon State and Washington, away, will be very challenging. But if we are able to do the above we will end 7-5; 5-4 in conference and will go to a bowl.

    Build on the USC game and let's do it, Utah.

    Go Utes.

    Oct. 7, 2012 8:49 p.m.

    Travis Wilson needs to get playing time now. Sure, he's going to make mistakes, but that's the only way he can develop for the future. Hopefully Coach Whitt will at least split time with him and Hays.

    Go Utes!!

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 7, 2012 8:39 p.m.

    MacMasty, although I am somewhat optimistic Utah can beat UCLA, thinking the Utes will win by three TDs is over the top. Check the Vegas point spread before you stand on an island. Utah's offense has a hard time scoring three TDs (let alone winning by 3 TDs). They got 28 points on USC ( but the defense scored one TD, they scored 20 points on USU, 24 points on BYU but again the defense scored a TD as well. Utah got 7 points against ASU.

    Utah will have to win a tough game but go Utes nonetheless.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    Oct. 7, 2012 8:14 p.m.

    The Utes should win easily over a reeling UCLA team. Cal exposed UCLA as weak and I expect the Utes to win by at least 3 touchdowns.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 7, 2012 5:53 p.m.

    The Ute Offensive Line was the best it has been all season last week vs. USC. If they keep progressing, Utah will win 5 of their last 7 and be 7-5. I predict a trip to the Alamo vs. a good opponent. being bowl eligible in the PAC 12 still results in a good bowl game. I will take that.

    Plus in the PAC 12, I can dream of a miracle trip to Pasadena and the Rose Bowl (next week that is/UCLA). The one in January is possible though, but not really realistic.