Former Provo resident Nicholas J. Ivie killed patrolling U.S.-Mexico border

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  • sallys clovis, CA
    Oct. 4, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    I'm for maximum lethal force. Drug smugglers should not be allowed to harm an American. They should be wiped out from off the face of the planet. Gadianton robbers, the whole lot, and they should go the way of the wicked.

  • donquixote84721 Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 5:50 p.m.

    We can thank Obama and his "Fast and furious" Gang for this tragedy.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 3, 2012 5:14 p.m.

    Re: atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    "So... Governor Brewer is politicizing a tragedy? That's pathetic."

    Operation Fast and Furious resulted in the arming of Mexican drug dealers, the deaths of Americans, including at least one Border Patrol Agent, and the liberals expect us to stick our heads in the sand and pretend that it didn't happen.

    Decent patriotic Americans should be shouting their disgust from their rooftops!!

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Oct. 3, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    re: procuradorfiscal

    How is that spin? Show me an example of a secure border that doesn't include the use of lethal force? That only exists if there's not sufficient motivation for people to be crossing (that is, both countries are on equal economic footing). OK, so if you're to be believed, we can accurately find anyone crossing the border. What then? We deploy agents, and they confront heavily-armed drug cartel soldiers. Is that going to end somehow without loss of life? That's exactly what happened in this case. ICE knew about them, confronted them, and tragedy occurred. Same is going to happen no matter the method of detection. I find it hilarious that right-wingers who claim the supremacy of the market, and point to its ability to solve every problem, somehow don't understand that the huge potential for profit through drugs is going to create border problems.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 1:09 p.m.

    Re: "Until we, as a country, are willing to kill people for trying to cross the border, it will remain porous. That's reality."

    No, it's Democrat election-year spin.

    We have technology floating over Ft. Huachuca 24/7/365 that allows us to track several hundred individuals at a time along the entire border from Bisbee to Nogales. This military information is currently not shared with ICE/Border Patrol due to restrictions that the Obama regime could rescind with the stroke of a pen.

    Doing so would allow us to vector in an appropriate number of ICE/Border Patrol agents, with appropriate overwatch and ready response, on any incursion, by foot, vehicle, or air, along the entire border, with fewer than a dozen aerostats.

    Point is, this regime wants a porous border because it has promised several constituencies and the Mexican government a porous border.

    It doesn't have to be so, but it's what they've cynically decided is best for them politically.

    Even if Americans die because of it.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 11:18 a.m.

    Re: "Where is Eric Holder?"

    Huddled, no doubt, with the President and his advisers, figuring out how to cover up or concoct some clever catch phrase to explain away and weasel out of responsibility for the tragedy, particularly when it's discovered that gun that killed this American hero was another product of Obama's Fast-and-Furious-gate.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Oct. 3, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    "Secure our borders" sounds pretty easy. It's certainly easy to say. But how are you going to do it? The only way to completely close a border is to militarize it and authorize deadly force on anyone who tries to cross it (Berlin Wall, anyone?). Until we, as a country, are willing to kill people for trying to cross the border, it will remain porous. That's reality. I don't want to emulate the Soviet Union, do you?

    Because of the high price for drugs created by our war on drugs, Cartels have millions upon millions of dollars. They have airplanes, boats, and submarines--not to mention the weapons they have. Sending in armed border patrol agents will result in casualties, on both sides. I'm not saying we shouldn't do what we do, I don't know the solution. But it's pretty naive to think that there's a way of stopping multi-million dollar, armed enterprises without ever having a casualty.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 10:37 a.m.

    where's obama's statement on this? ambassador killed, cover-up, border agents killed, cover-up. i'd ask barry to come clean, but i know he won't

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Oct. 3, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    Janet Napolitano has stated many times that our borders are more secure than ever before in the last 20 years. There is no need to elevate our equipment and staffing levels to give greater capacity to protect the borders because they are already more safe than President Bush made them. Come on Janet. Take the blinders off. We don't need to keep our borders porous as a bargaining tool with Mexico for other issues. And we don't need to give the drug cartels guns and ammunition in the attempt to track down the murdering drug cartel heads with Fast and Furious.

    My heavy heart goes out to the families of these brave men and women who fight to protect us. My sincere prayers for all of you who have cause to mourn this tragedy.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 9:51 a.m.

    It is the commercial business interests need for cheap labor that causes the immigration problem(s). Not President Obama.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Oct. 3, 2012 9:28 a.m.

    Let's not forget the root cause of this tragedy. Liberal Democrat policies that leave the border open, ship guns to Mexican gangs, and coddle criminals will lead to more and more of this. I can't be sure that Mitt Romney will fix most of the problem, but for sure Obama will insure that the trouble continues. The liberal media will ignore this story and this fine man will have lost his life for nothing.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    Our reaction is, "Oh isn't that terrible," and then we go about business as usual. This man died in defense of our country's border integrity while our leaders seem paralyzed by not wanting to offend the president of Mexico or some ethnic voter group. Our look the other way policy on border security invites these tragedies. Where is Eric Holder?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    @Border Joe AZ/BYU

    So... Governor Brewer is politicizing a tragedy? That's pathetic.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 8:07 a.m.

    The state of Arizona has already faced the nation's condemnation for attempting to solve this problem with an aggressive policy. The argument was that this is a federal jurisdiction.

    People are dying. Where is Obama?

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Oct. 3, 2012 7:25 a.m.

    To paraphrase a past President: "Mr. Obama - Build Up That Wall!!!"

    This has gone on long enough. It is only getting worse. Our congress is not going to solve the problem. A 12' wall with sensor-operated machine guns would do the trick. Why do we continue to fail to see this assault on our sovereignty for what it is - All Out War?

    Domestic terrorism - and I include all violent crime committed by illegals - has killed thousands more than 911. And yet, for political expediency we ignore it.

    Can someone please explain our lack of action to this poor widow and her fatherless children?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 7:16 a.m.

    Re: "A man gave his life doing what you claim isn't being done. What an incredible insult to his memory."

    The incredible insult to his memory is committed by the reckless, feckless open borders crowd, who sent this selfless hero into harm's way without the proper resources to go safely because, for no reason other than to obtain unfair and illegal political advantage, they really don't want our borders to be secure.

    That's the insult.

  • azresident Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 3, 2012 6:47 a.m.

    Silently, they enter. In unknown numbers. Armed. Through our national parks and monuments. Armed. Into a van, onto the highway. Armed. Into the safe houses in our neighborhoods. Armed.

    This is an invasion by armed men who will harm their own countrymen as well as Arizona citizens.

    Secure the borders.

    My thoughts and prayers to the family and friends of this man who would defend our country. Thank you for your service.

  • DanO Mission Viejo, CA
    Oct. 3, 2012 12:12 a.m.

    To all those that say the borders are going unprotected, what do you think Ivie was doing? A man gave his life doing what you claim isn't being done. What an incredible insult to his memory.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 11:45 p.m.

    Those weho protect us are truly heros. And those who pay the ultimate price secure for themselves a luster for their name that can never be dimished.

    That recognized, what a trajedy for the surviving spouse and two young daughters. Tears must be shed both on earth and in heaven today.

    Please excuse this thought: I wonder why Mexico has surrendered to the cartels, but then they've had issues for decades with the way their country is governed. That's why so many want to become Americans. We should every one be thankful we live in a free country where the standard of behavior is much different and where one can feel secure in their home.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 2, 2012 10:51 p.m.

    @ Scientist Can't you see that your commenting on Romney right now is doing exactly what you accused Romney of doing?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 9:58 p.m.

    This agent was killed in a shoot out with drug smugglers, and so many comments go off on a tangent about illegal immigrants. Wave a magic wand to solve the immigrant issue, and we would still have a problem with drug smuggling. You want to clean up drug smuggling? Mind your own kids. Get them off drugs.

  • Montana Mormon Miles City, MT
    Oct. 2, 2012 9:57 p.m.

    Scientist: Spot on! I say "ditto" to everything you said regarding this tragic loss.

    Oct. 2, 2012 8:10 p.m.

    Bring the troops ( and their heavy armored vehicles ) home from the 4 corners of the world and rotate their service on the border with Mexico. I seriously doubt the border with Mexico would be as dangerous for the Army and Marines as the situation has been in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    I doubt we need the heavy artillery and bombers that have been used in the Middle East.

  • aware Babb, MT
    Oct. 2, 2012 6:56 p.m.

    Today we took flowers to the U.S. Border Guards and the flag was already at halfmast. You feel so helpless when things like this happen. We all expect security and protection by our Government - but this is no longer the case. It is the individual border guard, soldier, police and firemen that keep us safe - their commitment is noble. What happened to our governing leaders. When the leader of the land goes to a fundraiser after addressing the families of the fallen Ambassador and other murdered citizens - we realize we don't have a leader worthy of the office. Unless there is a change - it is each of us that is going to have to look after one another, to protect and administer and protect our own freedoms.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 6:29 p.m.

    So help me out here, DesNews. Why are we supposed to support open borders and the disarming of border patrol agents?

  • CP Tooele, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 6:26 p.m.

    Our thoughts and prayers go out to his family. I am sure he watches over them and will until they are reunited again. What a brave man!

  • Border Joe Az/ BYU Safford, AZ
    Oct. 2, 2012 6:24 p.m.

    a scientist....your comment is So wrong in so very many ways that one can only think that you are afraid of the blame for our Broken Borders will be leveled at the feet of obama, and Rightly So!!
    Listen to what our Gov. Brewer had to say today..
    "What happens next has become all-too-familiar in Arizona: Flags will be lowered in honor of the slain agent. Elected officials will vow to find those responsible. Arizonans, and Americans will grieve – and they should.

    Righteous anger – at the kind of evil that causes sorrow this deep, and at the federal failure and political stalemate that has left our border unsecured and our Border Patrol in harm’s way.

    “Four fallen agents in less than two years is the result......

  • UtahBronco Lehi, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 6:23 p.m.

    Heartfelt condolences to the family of this hero.

  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 6:21 p.m.

    My condolences to the family for their loss of a father and husband.

    This issue is much more complicated though then just blaming Pres. Obama. It was a GOP President that put the border fence in, a GOP State Legislature that passed laws in defiance of US Law, and it was a GOP led House that provided the gridlock in Congress to stymie any passage of immigration reform.

    If I remember my constitution and the separation of powers, it's the responsibility of the executive branch to enforce the law and the responsibility of the legislative brand to make the law. In other words all the things people are blaming Pres. Obama for are really the result of legislative inaction, not executive inaction. The sad thing is when you enforce the law against criminals, officers are hurt.

    The bottom line is immigration is a much more complicated issue than just closing and guarding the borders. When one party won't even come to the table to talk or just say NO to everything, we never solve the problem. The my way or the highway approach of the GOP does not serve our country.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Oct. 2, 2012 6:17 p.m.

    @Utes: Isn't that what they (he) were/was doing?

  • Border Joe Az/ BYU Safford, AZ
    Oct. 2, 2012 6:11 p.m.

    a are so very wrong in so many ways, all I can assume of you is that you are truely afraid of the blame being laid at Obama's door...Where it Belongs!!
    ..Here are the words of our Az Gov... ponder them, if you are able....
    .Gov. Brewer said...
    "What happens next has become all-too-familiar in Arizona: Flags will be lowered in honor of the slain agent. Elected officials will vow to find those responsible. Arizonans, and Americans will grieve – and they should.

    “But this ought not only be a day of tears,” Brewer added. “There should be anger, too. Righteous anger – at the kind of evil that causes sorrow this deep, and at the federal failure and political stalemate that has left our border unsecured and our Border Patrol in harm’s way.

  • kathyn Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 6:10 p.m.

    I am so sad for this little family. It's such a senseless loss. I hope this isn't another result of the Fast and Furious disaster.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 5:48 p.m.

    Our hearts go out to the agents, wife, children, family and friends.

    When are we going to get serious about protecting our borders and enforcing our immigration laws?

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 5:48 p.m.

    An investigation will reveal some of the conditions surrounding this tragedy. This attack at night might require specialized equipment of the sort that terrorists, drug cartels, or militaries might have. How safe are our borders really? Nearly 30 agents killed along the border in 10 years. Nearly 30 families that have suffered a terrible loss, within our own country, while defending a dangerous border.

    We need to secure that border.

  • anneray Kosciusko, Mississippi
    Oct. 2, 2012 5:28 p.m.

    My thoughts and prayers go out to Sister Christy and her daughters and to all other Christy family members.

  • Meadow Lark Mark IDAHO FALLS, ID
    Oct. 2, 2012 5:13 p.m.

    I express my sympathy to this man's family. There will be an adjustment time and for sure I don't know what they're feeling but I wish them well.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 5:12 p.m.

    What a tragic loss. I hope the murderers are found and justice prevails. My heart goes out to the young family from whom this good man was taken.

    Meanwhile, when the Ambassador to Lybia was brutally killed, Mitt Romney immediately began kicking it around as a political football.

    Now this devoted man is murdered in the line of duty, and all some of you can do is the same thing?

    Bad form.

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    Why don't we open our boarders as President Obama wanted? Having an open boarder policy would stop these unneeded deaths. Of course, we would have a lot more criminals, drugs and welfare cases sucking up our already bad economy, but that shouldn't matter. We can always borrow more money from China. So what if we have more national debt already than we ever had before and our world credit rating is less than sterling? All that matters is that some of our less fortunate get their "fair share" of everyone else's money. But for sure we can't afford more boarder protection.

    My sincere condolences to the young woman and her children who lost their father. He is just as much a hero as any of our warriers who lose their lives in the protection of our country.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    This is really tragic. A terrible crime has been committed not only on this man and his family but on the nation. May we remember his family in our prayers.

  • utah cornhusker NORFOLK, NE
    Oct. 2, 2012 4:10 p.m.

    Prayers go out to his family.may God bless them.

  • Utes 27 USC 21 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    I'll glady pay higher produce, fast food, and hotel costs as our education, health care, police force, and prison costs decrease.

    Get us a president who reminds the left that criminals are criminals.

  • Utes 27 USC 21 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 3:16 p.m.

    Protect our people by protecting our borders

    No more illegal immigrants.