I'm for maximum lethal force. Drug smugglers should not be allowed to harm
an American. They should be wiped out from off the face of the planet. Gadianton
robbers, the whole lot, and they should go the way of the wicked.
We can thank Obama and his "Fast and furious" Gang for this tragedy.
Re: atl134 Salt Lake City, UT"So... Governor Brewer is politicizing a
tragedy? That's pathetic."Operation Fast and Furious
resulted in the arming of Mexican drug dealers, the deaths of Americans,
including at least one Border Patrol Agent, and the liberals expect us to stick
our heads in the sand and pretend that it didn't happen.Decent
patriotic Americans should be shouting their disgust from their rooftops!!
re: procuradorfiscalHow is that spin? Show me an example of a
secure border that doesn't include the use of lethal force? That only
exists if there's not sufficient motivation for people to be crossing (that
is, both countries are on equal economic footing). OK, so if you're to be
believed, we can accurately find anyone crossing the border. What then? We
deploy agents, and they confront heavily-armed drug cartel soldiers. Is that
going to end somehow without loss of life? That's exactly what happened in
this case. ICE knew about them, confronted them, and tragedy occurred. Same is
going to happen no matter the method of detection. I find it hilarious that
right-wingers who claim the supremacy of the market, and point to its ability to
solve every problem, somehow don't understand that the huge potential for
profit through drugs is going to create border problems.
Re: "Until we, as a country, are willing to kill people for trying to cross
the border, it will remain porous. That's reality."No,
it's Democrat election-year spin.We have technology floating
over Ft. Huachuca 24/7/365 that allows us to track several hundred individuals
at a time along the entire border from Bisbee to Nogales. This military
information is currently not shared with ICE/Border Patrol due to restrictions
that the Obama regime could rescind with the stroke of a pen.Doing
so would allow us to vector in an appropriate number of ICE/Border Patrol
agents, with appropriate overwatch and ready response, on any incursion, by
foot, vehicle, or air, along the entire border, with fewer than a dozen
aerostats.Point is, this regime wants a porous border because it has
promised several constituencies and the Mexican government a porous border.It doesn't have to be so, but it's what they've cynically
decided is best for them politically.Even if Americans die because
Re: "Where is Eric Holder?"Huddled, no doubt, with the
President and his advisers, figuring out how to cover up or concoct some clever
catch phrase to explain away and weasel out of responsibility for the tragedy,
particularly when it's discovered that gun that killed this American hero
was another product of Obama's Fast-and-Furious-gate.
"Secure our borders" sounds pretty easy. It's certainly easy to
say. But how are you going to do it? The only way to completely close a border
is to militarize it and authorize deadly force on anyone who tries to cross it
(Berlin Wall, anyone?). Until we, as a country, are willing to kill people for
trying to cross the border, it will remain porous. That's reality. I
don't want to emulate the Soviet Union, do you? Because of the
high price for drugs created by our war on drugs, Cartels have millions upon
millions of dollars. They have airplanes, boats, and submarines--not to mention
the weapons they have. Sending in armed border patrol agents will result in
casualties, on both sides. I'm not saying we shouldn't do what we do,
I don't know the solution. But it's pretty naive to think that
there's a way of stopping multi-million dollar, armed enterprises without
ever having a casualty.
where's obama's statement on this? ambassador killed, cover-up, border
agents killed, cover-up. i'd ask barry to come clean, but i know he
Janet Napolitano has stated many times that our borders are more secure than
ever before in the last 20 years. There is no need to elevate our equipment and
staffing levels to give greater capacity to protect the borders because they are
already more safe than President Bush made them. Come on Janet. Take the
blinders off. We don't need to keep our borders porous as a bargaining
tool with Mexico for other issues. And we don't need to give the drug
cartels guns and ammunition in the attempt to track down the murdering drug
cartel heads with Fast and Furious.My heavy heart goes out to the
families of these brave men and women who fight to protect us. My sincere
prayers for all of you who have cause to mourn this tragedy.
It is the commercial business interests need for cheap labor that causes the
immigration problem(s). Not President Obama.
Let's not forget the root cause of this tragedy. Liberal Democrat
policies that leave the border open, ship guns to Mexican gangs, and coddle
criminals will lead to more and more of this. I can't be sure that Mitt
Romney will fix most of the problem, but for sure Obama will insure that the
trouble continues. The liberal media will ignore this story and this fine man
will have lost his life for nothing.
Our reaction is, "Oh isn't that terrible," and then we go about
business as usual. This man died in defense of our country's border
integrity while our leaders seem paralyzed by not wanting to offend the
president of Mexico or some ethnic voter group. Our look the other way policy on
border security invites these tragedies. Where is Eric Holder?
@Border Joe AZ/BYUSo... Governor Brewer is politicizing a tragedy?
The state of Arizona has already faced the nation's condemnation for
attempting to solve this problem with an aggressive policy. The argument was
that this is a federal jurisdiction. People are dying. Where is
To paraphrase a past President: "Mr. Obama - Build Up That Wall!!!"This has gone on long enough. It is only getting worse. Our congress
is not going to solve the problem. A 12' wall with sensor-operated machine
guns would do the trick. Why do we continue to fail to see this assault on our
sovereignty for what it is - All Out War?Domestic terrorism - and I
include all violent crime committed by illegals - has killed thousands more than
911. And yet, for political expediency we ignore it.Can someone
please explain our lack of action to this poor widow and her fatherless
Re: "A man gave his life doing what you claim isn't being done. What an
incredible insult to his memory."The incredible insult to his
memory is committed by the reckless, feckless open borders crowd, who sent this
selfless hero into harm's way without the proper resources to go safely
because, for no reason other than to obtain unfair and illegal political
advantage, they really don't want our borders to be secure.That's the insult.
Silently, they enter. In unknown numbers. Armed. Through our national parks
and monuments. Armed. Into a van, onto the highway. Armed. Into the safe houses
in our neighborhoods. Armed.This is an invasion by armed men who
will harm their own countrymen as well as Arizona citizens. Secure
the borders. My thoughts and prayers to the family and friends of
this man who would defend our country. Thank you for your service.
To all those that say the borders are going unprotected, what do you think Ivie
was doing? A man gave his life doing what you claim isn't being done. What
an incredible insult to his memory.
Those weho protect us are truly heros. And those who pay the ultimate price
secure for themselves a luster for their name that can never be dimished.That recognized, what a trajedy for the surviving spouse and two young
daughters. Tears must be shed both on earth and in heaven today.Please excuse this thought: I wonder why Mexico has surrendered to the
cartels, but then they've had issues for decades with the way their country
is governed. That's why so many want to become Americans. We should every
one be thankful we live in a free country where the standard of behavior is much
different and where one can feel secure in their home.
@ Scientist Can't you see that your commenting on Romney right now is
doing exactly what you accused Romney of doing?
This agent was killed in a shoot out with drug smugglers, and so many comments
go off on a tangent about illegal immigrants. Wave a magic wand to solve the
immigrant issue, and we would still have a problem with drug smuggling. You
want to clean up drug smuggling? Mind your own kids. Get them off drugs.
Scientist: Spot on! I say "ditto" to everything you said regarding this
Bring the troops ( and their heavy armored vehicles ) home from the 4 corners of
the world and rotate their service on the border with Mexico. I seriously doubt
the border with Mexico would be as dangerous for the Army and Marines as the
situation has been in Iraq and Afghanistan.I doubt we need the heavy
artillery and bombers that have been used in the Middle East.
Today we took flowers to the U.S. Border Guards and the flag was already at
halfmast. You feel so helpless when things like this happen. We all expect
security and protection by our Government - but this is no longer the case. It
is the individual border guard, soldier, police and firemen that keep us safe -
their commitment is noble. What happened to our governing leaders. When the
leader of the land goes to a fundraiser after addressing the families of the
fallen Ambassador and other murdered citizens - we realize we don't have a
leader worthy of the office. Unless there is a change - it is each of us that
is going to have to look after one another, to protect and administer and
protect our own freedoms.
So help me out here, DesNews. Why are we supposed to support open borders and
the disarming of border patrol agents?
Our thoughts and prayers go out to his family. I am sure he watches over them
and will until they are reunited again. What a brave man!
a scientist....your comment is So wrong in so very many ways that one can only
think that you are afraid of the blame for our Broken Borders will be leveled at
the feet of obama, and Rightly So!!Listen to what our Gov. Brewer had to
say today.."What happens next has become all-too-familiar in Arizona:
Flags will be lowered in honor of the slain agent. Elected officials will vow to
find those responsible. Arizonans, and Americans will grieve – and they
should.Righteous anger – at the kind of evil that causes
sorrow this deep, and at the federal failure and political stalemate that has
left our border unsecured and our Border Patrol in harm’s way.“Four fallen agents in less than two years is the result......
Heartfelt condolences to the family of this hero.
My condolences to the family for their loss of a father and husband.This issue is much more complicated though then just blaming Pres. Obama. It
was a GOP President that put the border fence in, a GOP State Legislature that
passed laws in defiance of US Law, and it was a GOP led House that provided the
gridlock in Congress to stymie any passage of immigration reform. If
I remember my constitution and the separation of powers, it's the
responsibility of the executive branch to enforce the law and the responsibility
of the legislative brand to make the law. In other words all the things people
are blaming Pres. Obama for are really the result of legislative inaction, not
executive inaction. The sad thing is when you enforce the law against criminals,
officers are hurt. The bottom line is immigration is a much more
complicated issue than just closing and guarding the borders. When one party
won't even come to the table to talk or just say NO to everything, we never
solve the problem. The my way or the highway approach of the GOP does not serve
@Utes: Isn't that what they (he) were/was doing?
a scientist....you are so very wrong in so many ways, all I can assume of you is
that you are truely afraid of the blame being laid at Obama's door...Where
it Belongs!! ..Here are the words of our Az Gov... ponder them, if you
are able.....Gov. Brewer said..."What happens next has become
all-too-familiar in Arizona: Flags will be lowered in honor of the slain agent.
Elected officials will vow to find those responsible. Arizonans, and Americans
will grieve – and they should.“But this ought not only
be a day of tears,” Brewer added. “There should be anger, too.
Righteous anger – at the kind of evil that causes sorrow this deep, and at
the federal failure and political stalemate that has left our border unsecured
and our Border Patrol in harm’s way.......
I am so sad for this little family. It's such a senseless loss. I hope
this isn't another result of the Fast and Furious disaster.
Our hearts go out to the agents, wife, children, family and friends. When are we going to get serious about protecting our borders and enforcing
our immigration laws?
An investigation will reveal some of the conditions surrounding this tragedy.
This attack at night might require specialized equipment of the sort that
terrorists, drug cartels, or militaries might have. How safe are our borders
really? Nearly 30 agents killed along the border in 10 years. Nearly 30
families that have suffered a terrible loss, within our own country, while
defending a dangerous border.We need to secure that border.
My thoughts and prayers go out to Sister Christy and her daughters and to all
other Christy family members.
I express my sympathy to this man's family. There will be an adjustment
time and for sure I don't know what they're feeling but I wish them
What a tragic loss. I hope the murderers are found and justice prevails. My
heart goes out to the young family from whom this good man was taken.Meanwhile, when the Ambassador to Lybia was brutally killed, Mitt Romney
immediately began kicking it around as a political football.Now this
devoted man is murdered in the line of duty, and all some of you can do is the
same thing?Bad form.
Why don't we open our boarders as President Obama wanted? Having an open
boarder policy would stop these unneeded deaths. Of course, we would have a lot
more criminals, drugs and welfare cases sucking up our already bad economy, but
that shouldn't matter. We can always borrow more money from China. So what
if we have more national debt already than we ever had before and our world
credit rating is less than sterling? All that matters is that some of our less
fortunate get their "fair share" of everyone else's money. But for
sure we can't afford more boarder protection. My sincere
condolences to the young woman and her children who lost their father. He is
just as much a hero as any of our warriers who lose their lives in the
protection of our country.
This is really tragic. A terrible crime has been committed not only on this man
and his family but on the nation. May we remember his family in our prayers.
Prayers go out to his family.may God bless them.
I'll glady pay higher produce, fast food, and hotel costs as our education,
health care, police force, and prison costs decrease.Get us a
president who reminds the left that criminals are criminals.
Protect our people by protecting our bordersNo more illegal