Breaking the cycle: Children of poverty become adults in poverty

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  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 1, 2012 10:28 a.m.

    Re: Truthseeker SLO, CA
    "Every election Republicans pull out the "welfare queen" slogans."

    No, every day we shake our heads in amazement at women who find a junked car in a wrecking yard and think they can change it into a Cadillac. When they find they can't change their man they turn to the taxpayers to pay the tab.

    Ladies, you aren't going to change that man your dating. He has no intention of marrying you or supporting the children he helped create.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 30, 2012 12:03 p.m.

    If only Elder Maxwell were alive. He often warned us about the effects of secularism. Not the least of them is fostering Hillary's "It takes a village..." mentality.
    On the face of it the idea speaks to our hearts about unity and caring. But in reality it is the politic creation of dependent voters.
    Only the family can teach the work ethic. Surely government cannot replace the family. And this problem is a prime example.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Sept. 30, 2012 3:51 a.m.

    At first I heard conservatives say, "We certainly do believe in charitable giving, but just prefer that it be done through voluntary donations, not government programs."

    Now conservatives dare reveal what is really in their hearts by claiming, "Actually, charity is bad. It enables those who have caused their own poverty. I'm rich because I earned it."

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 30, 2012 12:34 a.m.

    101 ways you are comparin a union job to welfare. Are you serious. I have a union job with UTA and yes good benefits. So what. I work as hard as anyone poster on here. What a ridiculous analogy. Good paying union jobs are what this country needs.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 3:17 p.m.


    facilitating and reinforcing poor behavior does not help the poor at all, but dooms them to further poverty

  • DVD Taylorsville, 00
    Sept. 29, 2012 2:52 p.m.

    Let's re-emphasize what has been said already: "Society is defined, in large part, by how we treat those who are most vulnerable in our community,"

    Or, for those that claim belief, if you saw Jesus back during his mortal life, among the poor, teaching people to give, what would you have thought of him? Would it be any different than how you think of the poor and those you call liberal now?

  • bp486 None of your business, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 12:51 p.m.

    Heartbreaking. Perhaps this mother should be taught nutrition & money management....feeding her little kids french fries is not a good use of limited funds and will create obesity issues.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 29, 2012 12:27 p.m.

    Recently NBC with Brian Williams had a townhall-type program on education. I wasn't able to watch much of the program but i was very impressed with a particular teacher. She talked about how she worked as a social worker but then switched to teaching after a few years. She made the effort to visit with the parent(s) of every child in her class. She went to their homes and when that wasn't possible she met them in other places--even in cars in a parking lot if necessary. She provided them links to resources and even brought goodwill clothes if needed. Imagine if every adult, every teacher, every coach took that interest and effort in a family or a child. However, mostly we are self-segregating and many of us don't interface with people living in poverty. People could participate in big brother, big sister type programs.

    We need more substance abuse programs and mental health services for those who can't afford treatment. Sometimes care is available but it lacks consistency. I know someone with a mental disorder who qualifies for services but sees a different psychiatrist every time she goes.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 29, 2012 12:05 p.m.

    Every election Republicans pull out the "welfare queen" slogans. Welfare was reformed in the 90's by a Republican Congress and a Democratic president. Republicans should be better informed as to the elements of the reform.

    I see the elements of generational poverty. I believe the key is early intervention and education.
    I see children damaged by poverty, neglect, emotional/physical abuse repeating the cycle when they become adults.
    I've seen kids with absent/uninvolved fathers become young adults (both sexes) seeking "love" in all the wrong places. We need to break the cycle. Educating our youth about birth control, the stark statistics of single-parenthood linked to poverty and the increased likelihood of abuse of children by co-habitating, non-biological partners are significant.

    There is a double standard in our society where we accept promiscuous behavior of males and we don't educate males about the critical importance of their roles as fathers.

    Kicking people off foodstamps and other assistance programs won't solve the problem. The fact remains that poverty has decreased over the past 60 yrs due to govt. programs. It really will take a village to break the cycle.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 10:13 a.m.

    Proof that the cures promised by the "Great Society" beginning in 1964 have not materialized, and that the entire liberal welfare plantation scheme has been a total failure as far as helping those in poverty. What we have seen is the destruction of the family unit, the acceptance (or even encouragement) of unwed pregnancies, and the removal of many consequences for making bad choices or bad behavior.

    I feel sorry for the four children this girl had, starting at age 17 while still in high school, with still no husband in sight. Don't they teach sex ed in schools, and if so, why are hard working intact married families being forced to reduce their standard of living to support people who refuse to at least practice birth control if not abstinence? How come no child support from the fathers for their offspring? It's just us taxpayers supporting her family.

    Rewarding BAD behavior with WIC, SNAP, health care, welfare, free housing, etc just begets more bad behavior.

    How about rewarding GOOD behavior and reducing the tax burden for those who choose to have children only after they marry?

    Of course, charitable contributions to help the poor are encouraged.

  • KDave Moab, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 7:38 a.m.

    There is actually some skill involved in knowing how to game the system. A good panhandler can clear $300 a day.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 7:30 a.m.

    She thought having a child would make him change his partying ways.


    By sleeping with him with NO commitment on his part, you FACILITATED his partying ways.

    See Dadof5sons's comment upon the consequences of choices.

  • Waipahuboy WAIPAHU, HI
    Sept. 29, 2012 7:26 a.m.

    Sadly, self-reliance is passe and not in keeping with America's "gimme, gimme more" mentality. Gov't entitlements have stifled the working/lower classes and removed incentives for success, upward mobility. Just look at the "Obamaphone video" highlighting the Lifeline program on youtube.

    Voter-consumers are increasingly swayed by what they can get from the productive class and government....bad news for the Romney-Ryan and GOP ticket. Why work hard, the gov't will give me - mobile phone, food stamps, health care, housing, education, etc. - what I deserve. Pathetic.

  • luv2organize Gainesville, VA
    Sept. 29, 2012 7:17 a.m.

    This is so heartbreaking for the beautiful children. So sad. Obviously education on preventing pregnancy should be taught to this mother as well as feeding her children better! Seriously french fries should not be in the vocabulary of one so little. She is in no situation to raise all of these children. She should really consider the selfless act of allowing her children to be placed in adoption so they can have a better life. I live in South America and there is no welfare here but you do find the same pattern that those raised in a poor family tend to be poor themselves but it is definitely more of a class system here then anything.

  • 101Ways Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 4:51 a.m.

    Here we go with education leading the way as road to salvation and out of the pits of poverty. Public or college education has nothing to do with poverty, success, or becoming one of the hated rich and successful without the help of government documents (degrees or debt).

    There is a very simple way to end poverty, cut off the money. This country had no problem with poverty to prosperity until socialist wanted to end self-sufficient prosperity. Welfare "is" a multi billion dollar industry in Utah politicians don't want to lose control of.

    Welfare families are the product of the government funding and when you apply for welfare is like applying for a union job with security and benefits college graduates can't get working as associate for WalMart.

    Children follow in the foot steps of their parents? Mankind has been doing it forever and its how we preserve our heritage. Welfare is a learned skill and some have learned it well and how to fool governemnt to be their rich uncle, and the more they whine the greater the rewards.

    Prosperity is the product of being well paid self-sufficient independent Git-R-Done American.

  • Dadof5sons Montesano, WA
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:43 p.m.

    Oh the Liberal victim mind set! Saying your poor because your parents were poor is a falsehood. You inherent bad heart genes and cholesterol problems. Having children out of wedlock is a choice. The Democrat mantra of the rich keep getting rich and the poor keep getting poor has some truth to it. Why do the rich keep getting rich? and the poor keep getting poorer? It is simple the rich keep making the wise and right choices were as the poor keep making same dumb choices, Like drop out of high school! Keep wanting to party! having kids out of wedlock. becoming a slave to the government dole and not bettering oneself. As one who is a recovering addict the best thing that changed my life was when no one would help me! I had to hit rock bottom before I decided to make a change. I am not advocating not helping those children. I am saying we need to over haul the welfare system. and help them learn to be self reliant and not dependent on the Government who is an enabler to keep people poor.