Polls: Mitt Romney slipping among Catholic voters

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  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    It will be real news when the DN reports that Mitt is slipping among Mormon voters.

  • aware Babb, MT
    Sept. 30, 2012 9:35 p.m.

    When all is said and done after this election - and perhaps Obama wins, I will never entertain any negative comments from Catholics and Jewish individuals. The choice between Obama and Romney as far as their faiths is HUGE. When the Catholic universities and hospitals get his hard with the birth control/abortion issue - I just can't feel sorry for them. When Israel fights for its life regarding Iran... and the Jewish individuals wring their hands and complain - I will just have to tell them they voted in the cause of their pain. I don't care about polls, I am waiting to see just how informed and scared the general populus is. If they still vote for Obama, they will get exactly what they voted for - a solipsistic individual who will take down a very wonderful and great Country. I expect some flak, but I have spoken the truth.

  • Kate Hutch Kenmore, WA
    Sept. 30, 2012 10:42 a.m.

    shuttdlrl: Your post is a direct copy/paste from Newsmax. And your statement about Biden is untrue, to boot. Shame on you.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 29, 2012 8:47 p.m.

    Clinton - what part of the 47% comment isnt' true you asked?

    Just down the road from me is the VA hospital. I do volunteer down there and know a lot of those guys. Most of the WWII guys are gone now, but we have a lot of Korean War, and Vietnam War veterans down there, plus some from Desert Storm. Most don't pay any federal income taxes. Which part of those guys down there are the freeloaders Romney was referring to?

    My mother worked until she was 68, and now lives mostly on Social Security plus some savings. She doesn't pay Income tax... you saying she is a freeloader? Part of the 47% nanny state people? She represents over 40% of those 47%ers... you know... people who paid into the social security system their whole lives, supported their previous generation. Those the nanny state freeloaders you referring to?

    Or how about the lady in our ward who lost her husband, had 4 kids, and is trying to support them and makes less than 40K a year. She doesn't pay income taxes... she one of Romney's freeloading nanny state leaches?

    Leaches... I don't think so.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 11:35 a.m.


    Romney did NOT say they were Obama voters. so not a lie.

    In so many words, he said most of them are more interest4ed in getting free stuff from government, love their dependency,

    so a tax plan that encourages more personal responsibility would not appeal to them,
    so her must go after the smaller percentage that do care.

    There is nothing more to it than that, no matter how much you want to twist and spin, and invent "lies".

    All these pollsters are mostly liberal based, and therefore look to support their liberal candidate,

    (even Fox,which a study showed the majority of fox media people supported the democrats monetarily by a ratio of 5 to 1, so fox media is is not so "right" as some want to pretend)

    analyzing the polls, they always heavily over-represent the democrats, and those affiliated with a party in general, and greatly under represent the independent voter,

    the independents show no passion for Obama.
    and they tend to vote against the incumbent.

    This is very similar to the 1980 election, the environment is the same, very bad economy and trouble in middle east.

    Romney narrowly win more states than expected.

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    Do Mitt Romney supporters have a reading deficiency or an attention deficiency?

    No sane person can possibly excuse or explain away what Mitt said. Setting aside the statement that 47% pay no income taxes, Mitt denigrated and disparaged those 47% by falsely asserting that they:

    - "are dependent upon government"
    - "believe that they are victims"
    - "believe the government has a responsibility to care for them"
    - "believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them."
    - "they will vote for this president no matter what"
    - "they [can never be convinced that they ] should take personal responsibility and care for their lives"

    What part of that is NOT offensive and completely untrue?!

    But then did you catch what he said about YOU who support him?

    He says you are people who "vote based on emotion... or whether they like the guy or not." You don't vote on principle, or intelligent consideration of the issues.

    How did this irresponsible speech NOT offend EVERY American?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 2:25 p.m.

    "How, when his point is obviously regarding which political group he has to focus on in his campaign, can so many people misunderstand his commentary to mean he doesn't care about those people? "

    How do you not realize that people are going to be upset when Romney heaps scorn and disgust upon 47% of the nation by suggesting they don't care about personal responsibility (says a guy who picked a VP whose tax plan lowers Romney's tax rate to 0 on most of his income).

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Sept. 28, 2012 2:22 p.m.


    "Actually the truth is most Catholics only casually follow their beliefs anyway and most only attend church at Christmas and Easter so what Obama did was no big deal."

    Oh Patriot. Thank god you're not the face of Mormonism.

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 1:35 p.m.

    I think now is the time that the GOP comes out and states that they don't want or need Catholics in their party. They've already said that to gays, hispanics, women, college students, and anyone who is not in the 99%. Whenever some group throws their support to the Dems, the GOP seems to respond by saying they don't want or need that group anyway. So I expect we'll hear that kind of announcement from the GOP about Catholics in the next few days.

    The GOP's small tent just keeps getting smaller.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:55 p.m.


    Saying that 47% of the population pays no income taxes may be true. But that's not what Romney said. He clearly said that the 47% that don't pay taxes are Obama voters...an abject lie that is easily refuted.

    Saying that 47% of the population is dependent on the government is a lie, no matter how you spin it. Still, Romney added to that lie by claiming all 47% of Obama supporters were dependent on government. Lying about a lie does not make it more true.

    Saying that it's not his job to worry about those 47% may be true to him as a person, but absolutely can't be true to him as a presidential candidate. As president, he represents all Americans. He stated in no uncertain terms that he's not interested in representing all Americans. His poll numbers reflect that.

  • Clinton Draper, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    @Silo: Romney said, "So my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is to convince the 5 to 10 percent in the center that are independents..."

    How, when his point is obviously regarding which political group he has to focus on in his campaign, can so many people misunderstand his commentary to mean he doesn't care about those people? That, in and of itself, seems pretty intellectually dishonest to me.

  • Clinton Draper, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    @Silo: According to IRS data from 2009, 8% of the population didn't file a tax return. Maybe they paid taxes maybe they didn't. Since they didn't file, we don't know. On top of that 8%, 42% of the people who did file a tax return had no tax liability, meaning they didn't pay any taxes. So the estimation that 47% of the population doesn't pay taxes seems fairly accurate to me, or at least close enough that you really have a hard time calling it an "outright lie."

    Also, you're leaving out an important part of what he said. He said that he's not going to reach those who will vote for Obama no matter what, and he's not going to reach people who don't pay taxes with a tax plan. Why? Because it is irrelevant to them. Democrats are making far more out of what Romney said than is actually there, and unfortunately, the population is to lazy to look into the matter any further than what they are spoon-fed by the media.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:24 a.m.

    @Clinton "Just curious... In your estimation, what about Romney's 47% comment wasn't absolutely true?"

    I'm not UtahBlueDevil, but here's the short answer. Most of Romney's 47% comment was an abject lie.

    In his comments, he stated that 47% of the country would vote for Obama no matter what, AND that the same group paid no income taxes, AND that they were dependent on government, AND that he wasn't worried about that group.

    In that statement, only the first condition was true...that 47% would vote for Obama no matter what. The second and third condition are outright lies and easily disproven. Obama's voters represent a similar cross-section to Romneys regarding taxes paid and government dependence. The final condition, that he's not worried about that 47%, may have been true to him when speaking to his wealthy donors, but has certainly proven to be false now that he's seen the impact of his thoughtless statement in the polls.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:40 a.m.

    "I seriously doubt the integrity of the polls anymore, with the exception of Rasmussen. "

    That's because you refuse to believe the reality of the situation which is that Romney is fiercely unpopular. Yeah, a Republican SHOULD be able to beat Obama in this sort of electoral climate, but a republican whose approval rating split is something like 45-50 who just denigrated half the nation, played politics during a tragedy, and has base appeal similar to a root canal... it's just not going to work.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:36 a.m.

    "Only one of these Catholics — Biden — has been criticized, reprimanded, and sanctioned by the bishops. Make that 17 bishops."

    Only one of them - Ryan - has had a bus full of nuns going around his home state condemning his budget.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:44 a.m.

    If Mr. Romney doesn't hit a home run in the debates, this thing is over and since republicans like to blame somebody it won't be the liberal media it will be the tea party and the Grover Nordquist Koch Brothers crowd. Republicans haven't figured out that playing to the tea party may work well in some states or even local congressional districts, but most of America has not embraced the tea party movement the way the guys on talk radio and fox news would have you believe. Mr. Romney has not been able to appeal in a large scale way to moderates of either party. Do we remember the so called Reagan Democrats? Mr. Romney could have appealed to them if he wasn't so busy trying to appease the tea party. President Reagan would not have won had he had the tea party to deal with. Until the republicans figure out that there is a middle in America, whether that middle be middle class, or middle of the spectrum, they will not win a presidential election. The republicans must look within, and quit catering to extremists. The country is center right and the republicans lose?

  • mdp Bountiful, utah
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    I doubt religion has much to do with the poll numbers. Most latino minorities (many illegal) side with their democratic providers, and they happen to be mostly Catholic. Romney/Ryan take a hard stance against illegal immigration, as they should; Obama does not.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    NeilT - "He is trying to define himself as a tea party conservative which he is not. "

    You are exactly right. Romney is trying to be the person that the far right wants him to be. He is being dishonest with himself and them.

    I think that Romney could be a very good leader if his hands were not tied by the GOP.

  • Clinton Draper, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil Just curious... In your estimation, what about Romney's 47% comment wasn't absolutely true?

  • Clinton Draper, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    @Well Read: You're post is nothing more than conjecture. Just because somebody is successful doesn't mean they are devoid of wisdom and understanding, and just because somebody is dirt poor and unsuccessful doesn't mean they are enlightened.

  • Glen in the Bronx Bronx, NY
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    I am surrounded by Catholics here in the northeast, there is very much a division between the male clerics and the nuns and average Catholic. The clerics see exactly two issues in this campaign, abortion and gay marriage, in that order; these two issues are opposed by the head office in Rome, and any cleric who wants to climb the rungs of power has to tow the line. The nuns and the lay Catholics, are far more likely to still follow the Catholic Social Justice doctrine of Dorothy Day and the 1960s which is a "big picture" view of life, which includes health care, and respect for the dignity and privacy of others. In short, Obama's positions over Romney's)

    FYI, Joe Biden is far more representative of the Catholics I have come across than Paul Ryan.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:44 a.m.

    I seriously doubt the integrity of the polls anymore, with the exception of Rasmussen. Romney will win this election. Likely, the numbers reflected in these polls are among those who won't vote this November.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    Patriot You don't win elections by insulting voters. I find you are just like Romney, like to make insulting comments. As a long time Romney supporter I am profoundly dissapointed in the campaign he has run. He is trying to define himself as a tea party conservative which he is not. There is no doubt the republican party has taken extreme positions on many social issues such as immigration, abortion, and healthcare. The never ending criticism and sniping at Obama on fox news is perceived by many african Americans as racially motivated. Romney is loosing support among minorities, women, the poor. I still plan on voting Romney, would never vote for Obama.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:23 a.m.

    Stephen.... You say "Polls at this stage are often conducted for purposes of forming public opinion and influencing elections as much as measuring opinion and predicting elections."

    If that were the case, why would FoxNews report from their own poll

    "The vote preference among independents is also unchanged from two weeks ago: 43 percent back Obama and 39 percent Romney. Nearly one in five is undecided."

    "The latest Fox News poll finds the race for the White House holds steady, with 48 percent of likely voters backing the Obama-Biden ticket and 43 percent backing the Romney-Ryan ticket, if the election were held today. "

    So if FoxNews polls are to influence voters, what influence are they trying to do here? Now I am not saying this directly about you, but the constant attacking the messenger to discredit them if you don't like the news is getting old. Blaming things like the "LIberal Media" or as Rove rants about bad sampling if it doesn't say what he want them to say is getting old. I don't think Fox is in Obama's corner on this one.

    BTW - these quotes are from today on FoxNews

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:14 a.m.

    Caprice...BET ON!!!!

    Landslide? HAHAHAHA!!! Maybe in Utah, but nowhere else.
    Doesn't news of the REAL world make it to Providence?

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    Even House Republicans are bored to death by him.
    Heartland Christians really want to care, but Mitts Mormonism means
    they dont know which way is heaven anymore. Only rich Wall Street barons are
    happy with Mitt. This is because they built him.

    It all bodes very well indeed. When a nation is this apathetic and numb to a
    particular candidate, when they cant get away from him fast enough, good
    things happen for the other side. Even Bush was able to galvanize the
    uneducated, fundamentalist right. Even McCain could leverage his bogus
    patriotism and Sarah Palins ditzy winking. Romney cant even galvanize your
    grandmother in Florida. If anything, shes furious that Paul Ryan wants to kill
    Medicare. Or rather, she soon will be, once Obama reminds her, fifty times a
    day, for the next month.

    So be heartened, liberal America. Milquetoast mannequins who inspire no one,
    not even their own supporters, not even the Christian right, not even House
    Republicans never win major elections. They do make amusing footnotes,

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:09 a.m.

    Romney could lie all he wanted at the GOP convention, with all his dopey toadies bobbing their empty heads up and down and drooling. But he will get KILLED in the debate.

    At least Bush had his searing ignorance, childish notions of God, moronic cowboy worldview to rally around. Mitt Romney promises little, delivers less, stands for nothing you can really name save for what his handlers feed him: Poor people are losers, abortion is wrong, wealthy white folk are wonderful and benevolent and should never really pay taxes, Mexicans are fine in small doses when they’re mowing the lawns of one of my five estates or cleaning the stalls of my show horses.

    Here&s the fantastic thing: not many on the Right care much for Mitt, either.
    There is no passion to be found anywhere (save for the extremists and Tea Party
    simpletons who adore Ryan).

  • Stephen Kent Ehat Lindon, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 7:54 a.m.

    Given the fact that a President is elected on a state-by-state basis (remember the electoral college and electoral votes?), the only truly relevant issue to be writing about under the general topic of "support among Catholic voters" is "what is the level of support among likely voters who are residents of a swing state (such as, for example, Ohio or Florida) and who are Catholics and whose Catholic faith will play a role in their activity inside of the polling booth."

    Polling that measures the degree of support that Catholics demonstrate in a poll is of little or no relevance if the Catholic is, say, not registered to vote, not likely to vote, not influenced in the voting act by his or her Catholic faith, or say a resident of a state (such as, perhaps, Utah) where his or her vote as a Catholic may not join with enough other Utah voters to have an impact in Utah's result (not to mention zero impact on Ohio's result).

    Polls at this stage are often conducted for purposes of forming public opinion and influencing elections as much as measuring opinion and predicting elections.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 28, 2012 7:08 a.m.

    "Catholics only casually follow their beliefs anyway and most only attend church at Christmas and Easter"

    Nice line Patriot. Paint with a broad brush much?

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 3:11 a.m.

    Note to all Romney supporters:

    When Obama wins this election in November, I promise not to "spike the football"... much.

    Thanks for playing.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    Sept. 27, 2012 11:47 p.m.

    I love the subtle slams on the "less religious" and how they are voting for Obama over Romney. Consider perhaps that the "less religious" or non-religious tend to favor Obama because of party affiliation. If people who tend to be "more religious" seem to gravitate to the Republican party, doesn't that present a problem for Republicans? Reason why I bring this up is because MOST Americans are not religious zealots, and if the Republican party is known to attract "religious zealots" wouldn't that be a turn off to most Americans? See my point? If one party becomes known as the super-Religious party it's going to be a turn off. I submit that the Republican party HAS been hijacked by the "extreme right" or fringe if you will, and those people tend to be more religious. The party has systematically kicked out all moderates who had any power, and often moderate Republicans are made fun of and called "RINO's" - does this concern any of you who were true fiscal conservatives but don't really care go mix Religion and politics?

  • shuttdlrl Smith River, CA
    Sept. 27, 2012 10:33 p.m.

    The conventional wisdom holds that both vice-presidential candidates, Rep. Paul Ryan and Vice President Joe Biden, are roughly equal in terms of their Catholic standing: Ryan is good on the life issues, but weak on social justice; the reverse is said to be true of Biden. But is it a draw? Not even close: Only one of these Catholics — Biden — has been criticized, reprimanded, and sanctioned by the bishops. Make that 17 bishops.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 9:39 p.m.

    To Patriot: There is no developed country in the world that is less socialized than the U.S. So where are you going to move? Communist China? Communist Vietnam?

  • Well Read SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 9:20 p.m.

    The poll that count will be November 6th. The winner will not be Romney! He could have beaten Obama if he had been himself instead of trying to be what he was not. He is much more like Obama than the Romney who is running as a T party candidate. He is not being true to himself and because of that he will lose. He also has another big problem. He NO comprehension how most of the citizens in the live. He has always had a silver spoon in his mouth. Never had to apply for a job, never had to apply for unemployment, never had to choose which bill to pay first because of a shortage of money to pay them all. In short he has no comprehension how most of us live and the worst part is - he has not desire to even try to learn. His father when he was running investigated the poor slum areas of the country. He tried to understand the common man. He was way ahead of the country on the Viet Nam War.

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 27, 2012 8:31 p.m.

    it's over.... Thanks again tea party.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 8:15 p.m.

    Why single out just the Catholic voters?

    Mitt Romney is slipping in every demographic there is,
    except the super Rich White Guys and Utah Mormons.

    Sad that the later is following Babylon.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 27, 2012 7:52 p.m.

    "Do they call the same number of Democrats as Republicans. There are more ways to affect results of polls, than people called."

    I saw Carl Rove yammering this line yesterday on Fox. I would love to know how you run a blind poll and make sure you get the same number of democrats as republicans. Or religious affiliation. Cherry picking people you talk to would invalidate just about any poll out there. I get what he was trying to say, but what he wanted just wasn't representative of reality.

    The other point that is being missed here is geography. Northeast Catholics are far more conservative than west coast Catholics. Same with white Catholics versus hispanic Catholics. It is not a single voting block like many LDS like to pretend Mormons are or should be.

    So Ute Alumni - yes, actually Obama is very representative of what a West Coast Catholic is like. Far more so than Romney. The honest answer is that it just depends which Catholic group you are referring to.

  • GK Willington SLC, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 7:51 p.m.

    re: I-am-I

    I am a Deist/Taoist & will *not* vote for Ivy Leaguer.

    What I find interesting is MR is losing ground in Ohio.

    One blog has it 316-222 for BO. I see it more like 285-253 for the incumbent.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 7:48 p.m.

    There is a new, exciting, earth shattering poll EVERYDAY! What I don't see when these polls are being reported is much mention of the fact that Romney is ahead with the Independents. Several weeks and months ago, we were told that it all came down to how the Independent voter decided to go. Now it seems like we have all kinds of polls with all kinds of numbers. How is it that Gallup is so far distant from Rasmussen? Does this make sense to anybody?

    The problem that Obama is going to face is the same problem Jimmy Carter had to face. He is going to have to defend his record in debates. There is nothing good about it. There is not even a glimmer of hope on the horizon with what Obama is planning. He plans to take us even deeper into debt, all the while claiming it is Bush's fault. This argument is going to fly apart at some point in the debates.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Sept. 27, 2012 7:20 p.m.

    Maybe Paul Ryan is Catholic version of Harry Reid. If Senator Reid ran for President would he carry Utah? Some of my Catholic friends have told me that a lot of Ryan's ideas are strongly opposed by the hierarchy of the Church. I think that is what is missing from this study.

    Sept. 27, 2012 6:55 p.m.

    Hint, how they are counted makes the difference. Does one poll call registered voters, and the other call registered voters likely to vote?

    Do they call the same number of Democrats as Republicans. There are more ways to affect results of polls, than people called.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 6:51 p.m.

    yeap and obama is really representative of catholics.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 27, 2012 6:15 p.m.

    The ironic thing here is that the Republican base once again voted someone in who had to run as a hardliner, and now can't back track to the center. Romney is in a catch 22. If he moves to the center, he risks disenfranchising the extreme right core. If he stays hard right, he will not get the independent vote. He was dealt a hard hand to deal with.

    Had Romney run from the beginning as a center right candidate, I would have no problem voting for him. And the reality is that if he makes it into office, just perhaps he could get past the hard right rhetoric and manage the country as he should. But as it stands how, he has shifted hard right, which makes it really hard for anyone moderate to vote for him.

    The last thing we need in Washington are those who want to lead from the edges. We just don't need anymore of that. Romeny could have been that man, but right now, he isn't anywhere close to that - with his "47%" like comments.

  • Caprice PROVIDENCE, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 6:09 p.m.

    Mitt Romney is not slipping among Catholics who live their religion, which is a revealing statement about the rest. The polls being tauted are never really as they seem. I'll bet you dollars to donuts that Mitt Romney wins by a substantial landslide. And I'm dead serious.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 5:29 p.m.

    Obama gives you free stuff and Romney wants you to work for it - which guy are you going to vote for???? Honestly this country hardly deserves freedom or prosperity anymore - how far have we slid as a nation??? Half the country is a bunch of freeloaders who know more about reality shows and Hip Hop songs than they do anything else. Clueless, valueless and soon to be bankrupt. I wonder who they will blame once the money is gone and we are facing the same ugly reality as Greece? Maybe Occupy the White House movement will start up? If I am a CEO of a major corporation I am looking at shutting down US operations and moving elsewhere. There are actually countries doing the opposite of the US - turning away from Socialism and moving to Capitalism. Better to get out now before Barack sinks his teeth into your profits - what's left of them that is.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 5:21 p.m.

    Catholics like the fact that Obama wants to force them to violate their beliefs regarding contraception. Yes they love Obama for that one and that is why they don't like Mitt because Mitt won't force them to violate their conscious. Actually the truth is most Catholics only casually follow their beliefs anyway and most only attend church at Christmas and Easter so what Obama did was no big deal. I highly doubt their religious beliefs have anything to do with how they vote. The bottom line is people in this country want free stuff - as long as the money lasts and after that they could care less. Pretty sorry country we belong to ... not even a shadow of the WWII era.

  • I-am-I South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 5:20 p.m.

    This article didn't get interesting until the last paragraph. People who are devote religious people tend to like Romney and non believers and less frequent church attenders are more likely to vote for Obama. Very interesting.

    Sept. 27, 2012 5:13 p.m.

    I think this may have something to do with the fact that his VP pick was openly admonished by the Catholic leadership. They are concerned that the Ryan budget plan causes massive harm to the poor and middle class and heavily rewards the super rich.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 27, 2012 4:48 p.m.

    I'm not surprised at all. Where the Catholic heirarchy stands on issues and how the Catholic laity vote diverge as often as not.