Howell calls Hatch vote against veterans jobs bill 'un-American'

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  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 1:17 p.m.

    Vets already get preference in government jobs hiring. Especially federal jobs.

    Howell is a typicall Democrat who believes that the government is the cure all. This bill wouldn't have created one job in the private sector. Only government jobs. Good for Hatch for voting against it. Maybe Howell should have hired more vets at IBM, eh?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 5:01 p.m.

    Military spending is only ONE portion of the budget.

    And you're trying to spin it so that bush's $4 trillion increase in 8 years is worse than BO's $6 trillion growth in 3.5 years? Really???

    Oh, and you knew bush's deficits were much HIGHER when the dems had control of congress than when the repubs did, didn't you?. Oh, and you also know at NO time did the repubs have control of congress when the debt was growing under Bush Sr. or Reagan. Another simple omission on your part? The constitution requires pending bills originate in the house; but since when have liberals cared about the constitution?

    Joe Blow,
    Nice twist! Good job obfuscating! Howell said they were getting new revenue, not me.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 11:10 a.m.

    Hatch has a choice....

    Support the citizens who give the most
    Support the vast Military Industrial Complex

    Hatch [and the rest of the war-mongering GOP] chose to follow his Corporate Masters.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 27, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    Re: one old man Ogden, UT
    "Hatch has been un-American for a long, long time."

    Your opinion is both incorrect and moot. I have more chance of winning the lottery than Howell has of defeating Hatch, and I don't even play the lottery.

  • ldsGA_VET Perry, GA
    Sept. 27, 2012 8:20 a.m.

    Howell shows his true colors. Spend, spend, spend. We don't need the govt spending more money to provide us jobs. We need the policies of Mitt Romney to allow the private sector to grow jobs with lower taxes and reduced regulation. We have had enough of big brother. The govt needs to get out of the way!

  • CVgal Smithfield, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 11:04 p.m.

    Did anyone see that the monies the Democrats were proposing to pay for this bill were from future recouped taxes from those who haven't paid their taxes? Now, just how long do you think it will take to get 1 billion dollars to pay for this every year? Might get 20 million a year -- maybe. There was no logical way proposed to pay for it. Also, it was brought up the week before all Congress leaves DC? Do you think this was campaign oriented? Come on you guys -- read the background of everything and don't just start spouting off that Senator Hatch didn't support it. There were several reasons!!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 26, 2012 10:04 p.m.

    "I'm curious what new revenue Howell is magically pulling out of thin air to pay for this mis-labeled bill. "

    If we had people worrying about how we were going to pay for the war 10 years ago, we may not have all of these out-of-work vets in the first place.

    Going to war? Borrow from China. Help those who fought in the war? Sorry, no money.


  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 9:01 p.m.


    No, not really. Rather, it's typical of O.H.

    Time to turn him out to pasture.

  • IDSpud Eagle, ID
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:42 p.m.

    ChairmanMauzer: We can't simply look at who was President when attempting to determine who is responsible for our nation's debt. You have to consider which party controlled the House and Senate during a given period of time when the budget was set and spending occurred. Parse debt contribution by who held the purse strings within Congress, and then we start to see who is responsible.

  • IDSpud Eagle, ID
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:35 p.m.

    Absolutely amazing. It is so disheartening to read some of the comments posted here, and in other online news forums. As I read this article by Dennis Romboy I see two different bills, both that supposedly attempt to address job opportunities for Vets. It is so disengenuous for Howell to completely ignore the other proposal and to focus on the fact that Hatch didn't vote for a Democratic version, implying that Hatch is against job opportunities for Vets. I hate this kind of politics. Why can't there be honest and open debate? Meanwhile, that which will truly get America back on its feet is held hostage because both parties refuse to compromise, let alone achnowledge that anything from the other party has merit. Pathetic.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:18 p.m.

    Democrats seldom ever see a spending bill they cannot enthusiastically support.

    Even if they are inefficient, contain wasteful pork projects, and are a bad solution to a problem, or are a solution to a non-existent problem. Howell is obviously a Democrat with that outlook.

    Hatch should have retired, but he did the right thing on the vet jobs bill, and I am a vet!

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 7:02 p.m.

    hatch vote AGAINST veterans jobs bill is un American.


    But very republican.

  • Chachi Charlottesville, VA
    Sept. 26, 2012 6:28 p.m.

    Our tax receipts barely cover entitlement spending. Everything else--defense, education, energy, agriculture, everything--is paid for with borrowed money. And yet we keep on spending.

    Because it's un-American to NOT spend our country off the edge of a fiscal cliff from which there's no hope of recovery.

  • ChairmanMauzer Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 5:38 p.m.

    " That's the problem with dems, when it comes to spending, they're like Chris Berman in the Appleby's ad - they just cannot help thmselves."

    Right, and republicans didn't give the military MORE money than they asked for this year. (They did)

    Give me a break. You should see the breakdown of federal debt per president. The rate of debt growth is always highest under Republicans (Reagan - 189%, Bush 1 56%, Bush 2 89%).

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Sept. 26, 2012 5:36 p.m.

    I don't particularly like many of the policies of Orrin Hatch, but I am so tired of the name-calling. It is manipulative. Is it too much to expect our leaders to interact like adults?

    Can you imagine if you treated your colleagues at work the way these folks treat each other?

  • Fern RL LAYTON, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 5:03 p.m.

    A Hatch spokeswoman called it "budget-busting" legislation that would have increased spending.

    ' "Instead of backing a bill that would have spent a billion dollars our nation doesn’t have, Hatch backs common-sense legislation to bring real jobs and greater retirement security to our veterans put forward by Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C.," said Heather Barney.

    'Burr introduced alternative legislation that includes several veterans job-training initiatives but removes the provision establishing the job corps.

    'Hatch also introduced an amendment that would have increased the cutoff age from 37 to 47 for veterans to join federal law enforcement.'

    Government spending will not and cannot help our sagging economy. I am suspicious of the political rumors generated by both parties, but I find it disgusting when the facts are laid out clearly on both sides and people fail to acknowledge them.

    I do not blame President Obama, either, for not keeping his word regarding bringing the troops home. For all his criticism of President Bush, I knew that once in the Oval Office he would be privy to some information the rest of us don't have.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 5:02 p.m.

    I'm curious what new revenue Howell is magically pulling out of thin air to pay for this mis-labeled bill.

    ANY new revenue should be used to reduce the deficit. That's the problem with dems, when it comes to spending, they're like Chris Berman in the Appleby's ad - they just cannot help thmselves.

    If you are honest, you would admit the reason jobs have not grown is the business community has ZERO confidence in BO; that and Obamacare increases the cost of hiring.

  • DaveRL OGDEN, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 4:59 p.m.

    Hatch has long been an embarrassment to Utah & the nation. He cares so little for the common person and this is just another example. Playing politics when the well being and lives of those who proudly serve our nation can be addressed is just inexcusable.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 4:55 p.m.

    Hatch needs to go away from politics...he is trouble and that we don't need. The fault of lack of jobs is not the fault of Republicans....Democrats earned that by themselves as well as many other difficulties are country is facing and that includes withholding from our troops.

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 4:43 p.m.

    Although I'm not a fan of Hatch, the best way to increase jobs for everyone is to dump Obama. If Obama was the manager of the local laundromat, he would have them bankrupt and closed for business within 4 years. He is likely to do the same with the United States if he is given another 4 years.

  • Alaskan Coug Anchorage, AK
    Sept. 26, 2012 4:41 p.m.

    1st the Job Corps we have now is a huge boondoggle, wasting lots of tax dollars with no improvement in unemployment in our youth. We don’t now need a Job Corps just for Vets, which will equal more wasteful government spending and few if any jobs for Vets. If we care about Vets and others getting jobs we need to: lower taxes, cut government regulations, reduce federal spending so the economy takes off. This will reduce un-employment across the board. A rising tide lifts all boats. If our Vets need something more then a simple tax credit to employers that hire and keep Vets employed for at least one year or some such time will move them to the front of the line. More government spending never creates real or sustained jobs; instead it just becomes a millstone around the neck of our economy, and wastes or taxes.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 4:08 p.m.

    At least four republican law makers helped to write this bill then when Obama supported it, they opposed it.
    If you are honest, you will admit the reason jobs haven't grown is due to republican obstruction.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    Hatch has been un-American for a long, long time. He simply does not have the best interests of common American people at heart. Unless they are corporation "people" that is.