Reader voices: Responding to the Zeezroms of our day

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  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 25, 2012 7:15 a.m.

    I am not sure I get this, wasnt zeeroms a character in the jetson cartoons? Not sure i get the connection,

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Sept. 24, 2012 4:55 p.m.

    RE: Fern RL, JS was very familiar with, namely, the KJV of the Bible?

    1. Did Jesus(A.D 34) teach the Nephites an abstract prayer, or did JS copy the poor KJV translation and manuscripts added later?
    LDS scholar William Hamblin. The evil one [ho poneros]. (John 17:15). This phrase is often understood by modern Christians as a prayer for protection from evil in an Abstract sense. But in its first century context, (ho poneros) meant the Evil One=Satan.

    In 3 Nephi 13:12, (Jesus)“And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil”(abstract).
    In Mt 6:13 NIV, The correct translation is “ deliver us from the evil one”(Satan). Also verse 13,the doxology in Nephi is not found in earlier and better manuscripts of the Matthew 6:13.

    2. Mormon Doctrine p. 555 The Prophet explains there is nothing in the original word in Greek… that signifies paradise. Wrong,The word "paradise" is in the O. T.(Genesis 2:8 Septuagint) a garden(paradeisos,3857)in the east of Eden. Luke 23:43&JSTv,44 ,( Jesus)"Today shalt thou be with me in paradise".

  • TimothyR Everett, WA
    Sept. 24, 2012 4:20 p.m.

    @JDL - thank you for your candid response to I M LDS 2. Kimball, that is definitely a good question (as Killpack stated). We can speculate an answer. Some claim to be motivated by true desire and love, yet do not realize the error in their thinking or lack of thinking when discussing our faith.

  • Not Official Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 24, 2012 3:17 p.m.

    Yes, Timothy Berman... it's a GREAT idea to use talks from leaders. But, is that "official doctrine"?

  • killpack Sandy, UT
    Sept. 24, 2012 12:56 p.m.

    Kimball, that to me is the million dollar question. For some, life is not that great, except for their faith. Without their faith, their lives would have little or no value. I am included in that category. My faith has made my life enjoyable. Without it, I would just as soon not live. So why would some, thinking they are looking out for my own good, try and tear down my faith? Don't they realize that is what keeps me, and countless others, going from day to day?

  • Fern RL LAYTON, UT
    Sept. 24, 2012 12:03 p.m.


    "(82 B.C.)Alma 11:24... but thou lovest that *lucre more than me. Did JS unknowingly copy a 14th century KJV English translation of *lucre from the Latin, lucrum which was translated from the Greek word kerdos,#2771?"

    Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon into the only version of English he was very familiar with, namely, the King James version of the Bible. What is so hard to understand about that?

  • Kimball Bakersfield, CA
    Sept. 24, 2012 9:45 a.m.

    Why is it that people who are critical focus on destroying other's beliefs and don't have anything better or anything productive or positive to offer?

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Sept. 24, 2012 8:00 a.m.

    I M LDS 2

    Yes, I believe bribes are one of many means of trying to cause a person to deny his/her faith and they appear as directly as we read about in the scripture referenced and they also appear more subtly.

    Since when is it weakness to know and understand your opponent? Since when does an opponent not seek to get the advantage in any contest? I think you are disingenuous in your attempt to excuse the scriptures as weak. Mormon, the Prophet and Seer would not have included the narrative of Alma, Amulek and Zeezrom in the abridgement if it were not for our benefit to read it.

    One does not have to be a scriptural master to use them effectively in putting down false claims and witnesses. All that is needed is for one to be familiar with the scriptures and drawing upon their rightful assistance of the Ghost Holy to bring things to their remembrance when needed.

    The enemies of the church are every bit as bold today as was Zeezrom. They and will test yours and my will right out of the gate and then adapt as necessary, just as Zeezrom did.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Sept. 24, 2012 7:46 a.m.

    @ The key to accomplishing this is: Consistent scripture study. True, Greek is helpful as well:

    (82 B.C.)Alma 11:24... but thou lovest that *lucre more than me. Did JS unknowingly copy a 14th century KJV English translation of *lucre from the Latin, lucrum which was translated from the Greek word kerdos,#2771?

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Sept. 23, 2012 8:16 p.m.

    How many of you have been bribed to deny your faith?

    That is pretty weak - and it is equally weak to write an article giving advice on how to respond to someone who would do such a thing.

    Is this really the kind of "criticisms" you think we are, or will be, facing?