Dick Harmon: BYU offense must be as clean as its defense

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  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 7:09 p.m.

    "Don't try and make it look like these things do not happen at byU. They do."

    That player you referred to wasn't a BYU student when that happened. You should get your facts right before making stuff up. He then sat out a year to get things together before enrolling and joining the football team.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 6:49 p.m.

    "Any news yet about BYU's actions on Falslev swearing at Utah Fans?"

    Falslev has a part time job working as a clerk in the Utah County Courthouse. He's probably sworn in a lot of utah fans before they testify in their own defense or the defense of their family or friends. You can usually read about it in the crime blotter page of the Daily Herald although they don't mention Falslev by name.

    Hope that clears things up.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 6:42 p.m.


    You can't have it both ways Golfhack. In last years game BYU fans complained about all the luck that went your way with flukey unforced fumbles that your defense didn't earn but was "gifted" and yet Ute fans didn't want to hear any part of it.

    Now you're complaining that fumbles didnt' bounce your way, complaining about the officiating, etc. With all the Pac12 refs we've had to use since turning Independent we're sort of getting used to terrible officiating. Since you guys are members of that conference shouldn't you already be used to the cruddy refs?

    Instead of complaining you guys should be counting your blessings that Riley hurt his back the week before (had to leave the Weber game at halftime) and was obviously heavily medicated to start the Utah game to the point of being so loopy he couldn't hang onto the ball, pay attention when the ball was snapped or even throw a decent pass. It took him 3 quarters to clear his head and start playing like his usual self. By then he'd spotted you a 17 pt lead and almost took it back.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    Good point, Dnay. For a team that's supposed to be built on execution, assignment knowledge and clean play, they are typically pretty sloppy and mistake-ridden.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Sept. 19, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    It's simple really. Nelson is a competitor, I'll always give him that. But, he's not a D1 QB: he's undersized, he can't make all the throws a D1 QB must make to challenge a defense, he's not that fast and he constantly forces things. He has no chance to win big as a QB at this level...none.

    To my mind it speaks volumes about Doman that he is such a poor assessor of QB talent. First Heaps and now Nelson, and the liabilities of each was clear from the get go. I've posted on those for three years and have always believed that Lark gives BYU the best chance to win. Sadly for him and Cougar fans, his career has now been wasted. At this point the Cougars would be better off putting the Hill kid under center.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:08 p.m.

    Kyle's wife was not in danger. His son started a fight. I was there. Get your facts straight.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:01 p.m.

    Reading you're articles is like reading a note book of useless one-line cliches.
    "Can it be done?
    We shall see."

    At least you have the guts to call out Riley. He cannot beat the tough teams to get BYU to a bowl game. Not anymore than Jake could.

  • dnay Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 10:19 p.m.

    You notice all these Ute fans still justifying there win, if you really believe you deserved the win you wouldn't have to keep saying it. It's like the manager who got the position because of who he knows vs what he did to earn it. So he makes sure everyone know that he deserved the position. You wouldn't have to say that if you really believed it. So just go away stick with your own boring team!

    If BYU can beat Boise in Boise I'll feel a bit better about things. What I'm frustrated with is that they're talented but it's like they don't work on the details. And special teams, they haven't been that great, it hurt them at Utah. It's great that starters want to be in there on special teams but it doesn't seem to be working, put in some of these guys who are hungry and go all out. Hopefully Bronco can clean up all these miscues because those miscues is what beats them in every big game. Last year with TCU another example, 3-4 plays that kill them.

  • LeftTurnClyde South Ogden, 00
    Sept. 18, 2012 9:37 p.m.


    As a Cougar fan, I couldn't have said it better myself. You hit it ALL right on the head... except for the part about losing and being funny.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 5:49 p.m.

    Doman has to come up with a better game plan. Trying to bore the defense to death as he did the last game just won't work!
    Doman is as predictable as his predecessor!

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    Sept. 18, 2012 4:48 p.m.

    Riles isn't very good. Many see it. BYU has a very talented WR in Hoffman, but Riles struggles to get him the ball. BYU also has a good TE, but, again, the ball is coming towards him end over end. Where's Apo? I thought he was going to be a major part of the offense.

    The offensive play, literally and figuratively, will not improve until BYU switches QBs. This, of course, won't happen becuase Sunshine has the key to Roscoe's heart. It's going to be funny watching BYU drop another game in such a short period of time.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 4:38 p.m.


    You should read the story on that "kid that committed armed robbery". I'm sure you could get much out of it and take a lot from the life of that "kid".

    Kinda like how you can probably get a lot out of the experiences of the "kid that was busted for DUI" who is the best player on the cougs D.

    Don't try and make it look like these things do not happen at byU. They do.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    Sept. 18, 2012 4:28 p.m.

    "Of course not nor will there be. Any news yet on utah's actions on the kid that committed armed robbery? Oh yes that's right, they awarded him a scholarship."

    No second chances?

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 4:24 p.m.

    Highland, UT

    Refresh my memory. Was there anything done about the BYU fan who grabbed Whittingham's wife at the end of the BYU game in Provo (picture of such act was all over the paper)?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 3:58 p.m.


    How about any news yet about utah's actions on the utah "fans" that rushed the field and taunted and swore at the BYU players and coaches? Nope nothing done to this point, not even an institutional apology. Doubt anything at all will be done about any of it.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 3:56 p.m.


    Of course not nor will there be. Any news yet on utah's actions on the kid that committed armed robbery? Oh yes that's right, they awarded him a scholarship.

  • Vernal Mom Vernal, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 3:49 p.m.

    Central Texan - Couldn't agree with you more!!

    Coach Doman should take some of the blame in the horrible offensive showing by BYU. Please, more play action and open field passing.....Please! (Oh, but maybe Riley just doesn't have the arm)??

  • Carson Provo, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 2:39 p.m.

    Any news yet about BYU's actions on Falslev swearing at Utah Fans?

  • Golfhack20 West Jordan, Ut
    Sept. 18, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    How is it that when you fumble 7 times and only turn it over 2 times not lucky. We won't even start with the 3 15 yard personal fouls that were absolutely phantom that kept BYU's drives going 2 on one series. Nice try on that one. If you could take a step back and realize what could have happened if BYU didn't get all the LUCKY breaks. For BYU to even be in the game shows a lot of fight and some good bounces. The game was sloppy for both teams. Better luck next year! Please stop with the Lucky stuff!!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 12:48 p.m.


    "Utes were flat out lucky."

    HUH? No John White, No Blechen or Rowe. If Kruger had not brushed Nelson's face mask with his hand, it would have been a safety and they would have gotten the ball back.

    I believe you meant to say, the Utes were flat out un-lucky. Right?

  • Central Texan Buda, TX
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    Some of the play-calling seemed uninspired to me, especially in the 3rd quarter. How many times did the Cougars run that option where Nelson was dropped for no gain? I'm waiting for BYU to open up the field with more passing like they did to Hoffman and Friel. Get Apo, Falslev, other tight ends, receivers, and running backs out of the backfield more involved in the game.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 18, 2012 11:01 a.m.


    Not always. They've won alot of games the past five years.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 9:44 a.m.

    If BYU doesn't give the game away like it did against Utah, we will beat Boise State.

    Sept. 18, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    I am with eastcoastcoug. I also question Riley's heart. When things went badly against Utah, there were MANY moments where the camera found him and it looked like he was on the verge of tears. His body language and facial expressions made it seem like the team had already lost instead of just being down 10 points.

    I think Riley gives the team the best chance to win, but if he gets like that against Boise, I will be calling for Lark. Riley's best attribute is his fire and the way he inspires his team-mates. His arm and decision making are both worse than Lark's, so if the toughness and the fire go, then he will need to find a place on the bench.

    All that said, BSU has not looked like the world-beater they have been in the past. I am cautiously optomistic about the Cougars ability to bounce back from the Utah loss and 'steal' a win in Boise.

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    Sept. 18, 2012 8:24 a.m.

    Cougars fans should send some soap to BYU football team.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 18, 2012 8:13 a.m.

    BYU's offense always falters in the big games. The offensive coaching staff simply has not prepared them.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Sept. 18, 2012 5:51 a.m.

    I DO question Riley's heart. He played entirely flat against Utah and failed to get his team focused when they needed it. He was rattled by the noise and made some risky throws. He is not battle tested (hasn't played 12 games yet) and it shows. It is up to the coaches to get him prepped and ready for Thursday. I just wish all our guys could play with more fire in the belly. We don't want to win badly enough...

  • Ironhide Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2012 12:05 a.m.

    I feel for the defense. They did their part. To have the offense give up points has to be very frustrating. Harmon provided some insight on what Riley did in the game, did anyone else catch that? Or am I crazy? He mentioned getting play calls in late, messing with hand signals, yelling out assignments as the play clock is winding down, it sounded like mass confusion. At the same time, Riley's body language, er, his facial expression told the whole story. I don't know that I believe that he's such an unflinching competitor, or I'm at least torn between his nonverbal and his ability to bring the team back to kick the game tying field goal. To his credit, he didn't signal for the ball when it got hiked to Draper. I don't know what the center thought he saw, but Riley was still reading the defense. Too bad it cost them the game. In spite of all the mistakes, they still almost got it done.

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:47 p.m.


    Thats a really good point! They really should do that

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:37 p.m.

    In 2011, the first center snap, or one of the first ones, resulted in a turnover and Utah TD. This year, the first center snap was bungled, and except for a face mask penalty, the Utes would have scored a safety. In both cases, the offense was in a shotgun formation.

    Doesn't it seem logical to have Riley under center for at least a series, before having the center hike it in a risky shotgun formation? This is just of many details the coaches missed.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 17, 2012 10:59 p.m.

    Although BYU had almost a hundred more yards moving the ball, it was missed field goals. penalties, and turnovers that lost the game.

    Utes were flat out lucky.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Sept. 17, 2012 10:45 p.m.

    If Riley plays we loose. He has never won against good competition and never will. Good thing he fields punts or he would be playing defense.