Mormon Media Observer: Clinton raises the Mormon issue — or not

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  • LDS Revelations Sandy, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    I think the teachings of the LDS and the actions of it's members has far more to do with the perception of LDS as a people apart or 'at arms length' than any thing Bill Clinton or anyone in the media is saying. If anything I think their comments are a reflection of what already exists. I cannot number the times growing up LDS I heard the terms "peculiar people" or 'being in the world but not of the world.' Those that were like us were "members". Those that were not were "non-members." A huge amount of our time was spent doing Church activities so we engage with non-LDS as much just as a function of how much time was left.

    So I find it a little bit odd that the author suggests that somehow this stand-offishness towards LDS is something forced on them by the outside world. From my observation the LDS Church and Mormonism at large has wanted it that way. Part of the reason people don't see Mitt as someone they could have a beer with is because Mitt isn't a guy anyone can have a beer with.

  • fkratz Portland, OR
    Sept. 17, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    A particularly sad Bonanza episode caused youthful tears when bad men cut off Hop Sing's ponytail. Of course the story of the majority of Chinese immigrants building railroads in the Western frontier was much different than Hop Sing's life portrayed on Bonanza.

    I find it strange to compare the long persecuted Mormons with the slave labor extracted from Chinese immigrants except that it highlights the contempt and disregard other humans can have for their fellow travelers within our history.

    As for the "levels" of heaven, I would assume that if there were such divisions, that those "lowest" in the Kingdom would be reserved for the ones that caused the persecution and enslavement of others to occur. Hop Sing would probably agree.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 17, 2012 11:47 a.m.

    "It's a frustrating discourse because the portrayal reinforces old relationships in America and leaves Latter-day Saints as outsiders and oddballs, even while seeming to express admiration for us.

    It's sort of passive aggressive in that way."


    OK, but let's also note that Latter-day Saints have often felt a sense of pride in calling themselves a "peculiar" people. We're to be "in the world but not of the world."

    Meaning what? That we're somehow above the world? That the world is made up of our inferiors?

    The gulf between "us and them" is as much a product of LDS hubris as it is for any disdain for us or our beliefs by non-Mormons we once condescendingly referred to as the gentiles.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2012 10:33 a.m.


    Wow, you still managed to turn this into YOU being the victim?

    Persecutor complex perhaps?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 17, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    Like it or not, people are not all the same. Just like earth life, our lives differ. Our rewards will differ from our actions and decisions.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 17, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    "While praising Latter-day Saints for their dedication and intriguing ideas, he nevertheless manages to portray Latter-day Saints as exclusive and a little odd — all with no seeming malice."

    "All with no seeming malice", but you managed to find some, or possibly "create" some.

    Yes, it could have been a carefully and skillfully delivered knock on the LDS. Or maybe he was "praising LDS for their dedication and intriguing ideas"

    Persecution complex perhaps?