Google says interest in Mitt Romney's Mormonism is higher than ever

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    Sept. 12, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    I find this very interesting. When I, an Evangelical, try to categorize Mormons by their observed behavior I'm reprimanded by them for doing so and am told that I'm ignorant of your religion. I'm told that ONLY Mormons really understand their religion.

    However, when I produce evidence that demonstrates that your categorizing of Barak Obama's religion as "Protestant" is in error and that he correctly belongs in the box labeled "Non-Denominational Christian" you reprimand me for being ignorant of my own religion. I see a pattern here!

    Can you see how it would be easy to conclude that in the eyes of Mormons we Evangelicals are just an ignorant, uninformed lot who need to subjugate ourselves to the superior "light and knowledge" of Mormons.

    Or put another way, there seems to be one set of rules for Mormons and another for everyone else.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Sept. 12, 2012 8:13 a.m.

    "Craig Clark
    Boulder, CO
    Yesterday Romney promised backers from the religious rights that he would keep God in his platform and on coins and currency. That makes Obama the only candidate in the race who is not making religion an issue."

    Craig, "God" on coins and currency is not Religion. Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Christians all believe in a God or gods. "God" on coins and currency is a reflection of our overwhelmingly religious populace. Even those who never attend church regularly invoke the name of God. (Although not always appropriately).

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Sept. 12, 2012 8:09 a.m.


    You forget where the Declaration mentions that men are "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights".

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Sept. 12, 2012 8:05 a.m.

    Democratic strategists have discussed "what might be called the nuclear option: unleashing an attack on Romney's Mormon faith via the mainstream media."

    She adds: "There has been no indication of that kind of attack yet."

    No, it's been far more subtle than that. There have been articles rife with half-truths (Bloomberg), TV programs that focused on LDS fringe and Ex-LDS as sources (Rock Center) and a variety of other deceptive liberal media devices to keep that question of "weirdness" out there, just as the Obama campaign stated they would do as soon as Mr. Romney became the presumptive nominee.

    Outright attacks? No, they are far too devious for that.....

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 9:32 p.m.

    Since this is a national election, I believe it would not be as likely to happen. South Carolina and Massachusetts and Arkansas probably would but other states may not be as strong in doing that.

    Obama has done some odd things and isn't necessarily rational when it comes to politics. He spends a lot of time campaigning, which then leaves him open to make mistakes and then make misstatements.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 8:56 p.m.

    @Mr_IT and Tom in CA
    The Episcopal Church and Trinity United Church of Christ are both Protestant Christian churches.

    And Tom... I'm not asking questions... Obama is clearly a Christian that attends various protestant, christian churches. That's just a fact. Calling him Protestant infers a sense of non-denominationalism since I am not specifying a particular denomination (since protestant is a category of Christianity, not a denomination) much like calling someone a Christian doesn't tell you what denomination, if any, they belong to.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Sept. 11, 2012 6:37 p.m.

    LAKE FOREST, CA - you are correct. And now even alt134, who was so clear on the issue, is asking questions.

  • Diet-Mormon Cache county, USA
    Sept. 11, 2012 6:35 p.m.

    Lds liberal.
    I agree with all your comments, cause I'm diet Mormon, your new friend.
    Together we can fight to make sure Obama gets elected in this country.

    Sept. 11, 2012 5:20 p.m.

    "He's a protestant."

    Alt134, Protestant isn't a religion. Christianity is a religion. "Protestant" is a denomination of the Christian Religion - please see the Wikipedia article on "Protestantism" if you have any questions on this.

    And in a recent Huntington Post Interview Mr. Obama self-identified like this:

    "President Obama: First and foremost, my Christian faith gives me a perspective and security that I don’t think I would have otherwise: That I am loved. That, at the end of the day, God is in control -- and my main responsibility is to love God with all of my heart, soul and mind, and to love my neighbor as myself. Now, I don’t always live up to that standard, but it is a standard I am always pursuing."
    (Huffington Post 08/21/2012)

    In the same interview he states that he attends service at the National Cathedral which is a cathedral of the Episcopal Church. However, in Chicago he attended Trinity United Church of Christ. Therefore, Mr. Obama appears to be a non-denominational Christian.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 5:02 p.m.

    I am interested in replacing a floundering president with someone who has some idea on the economy and jobs. Religion is not the issue in this election and only detracts from discussion on the critical problems of our time. It is much easier to talk about Mr. Romney's tithing than the 23 million unemployed.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 4:35 p.m.

    @Tom in CA
    "to ask any question is "an attack", is that right??"

    No. But asking a question for which there is a clear, provided answer that has repeatedly been stated... is either an attack or outright ignorance. I thought we all knew who Rev. Wright was and that Obama spent 20 years there (at least occasionally showing up). But no, some people insist that Wright's church isn't Christian. Some people insist Obama's a Muslim. Others insist he's an atheist. I'm just going to go with the religious institutions he intends (Christian) and what he says he is (Christian). What sort of reason would there be for someone to think otherwise unless they legit haven't been paying attention... or they want to plant the idea that Obama is some sort of "other" (of course this option would also be bigoted against Muslims or atheists)?

    If someone questioned whether or not Romney was part of the polygamist sect it'd be It's easy to look up so to suggest otherwise is either someone being ignorant on the matter... or a means of trying to attack him.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    @LDS Liberal

    "If he was a Missionary,
    my Mission President would have sent him home early for not setting a very good example."

    Sounds like you had an incredibly strict mission president. I have never heard someone getting sent home for 'not being a very good example.' Is donating millions to charity not being a good example? Is being successful not being a good example? And since when do liberals care about setting a good example. You voted for a president who had an affair with a 21 year old intern.

    LDS Liberal, if you are going to make an argument against Mitt Romney's policies, fine. That's an honest debate. If you are going to try to cast him as some sort of fundamentally bad person, you have no argument what so ever. Nobody is buying it. Harry Reid bore false witness against Romney. As a Latter-day Saint, that should trouble you.

  • TyeDye San Antonio, TX
    Sept. 11, 2012 4:23 p.m.

    Would it be an attack on his faith to ask Romney how closely he intends to follow the 14 fundamentals of following the prophet? The 9th and tenth fundamentals could be troubling to some.
    F-9 The prophet can receive revelation on any matter—temporal or spiritual.
    F-10 The prophet may well advise on civic matters.

    Would Romney obey the prophet if Monson advised him on civic matters?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 4:19 p.m.

    BTW -
    Seriously, I have a question....

    Let's pretend for a minute that Mitt Romney actually DOES win the election in November.

    Does he stop attending weekly Sacrament Meetings and stop attending the Temple?,
    Does the Secret Service have to be 100% Temple worthy Mormons and the entire building swept before, during and after?

    I don't think they allow armed gurads and sniper rifles in Church or Temples.

  • fkratz Portland, OR
    Sept. 11, 2012 3:50 p.m.

    My Catholic grandmother told me at a very young age that a person's religion was private, personal and intimate. Why politicians continue to pander to xyz religious group is beyond me and those that wear it on their sleeves for political gain seem disingenuous at best.

    This Nation was not only founded on religious freedom but freedom from religion within our government. No where is God mentioned in the Constitution or Bill of Rights. "Nature's God" is used once in the Declaration of Independence. The primary founders of our Constitution were theistic rationalists not evangelists and in 1776, fewer than 30% of Americans attended a church.

    The candidates should constantly remember that they represent a country with diverse religious and cultural mores. Pandering to one group only creates division and not unity and the Presidential race should be free from that.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 3:11 p.m.

    The other day, I was reading a "liberal" thread on a "liberal" chat board...

    The topic of Mitt Romney being a"Mormon" came up,
    the next 72 replies and comments went something along these lines ---

    "I thought Mormons were supposed to tell the truth?"

    "Isn't lying a sin in the Mormon Church?"

    "I don't think he is a practicing Mormon. The Mormons I know show honor and integrity - Mitt Romney is a flip-flopper, he doesn't show any of that."

    "Sure he's a family man, Mormons believe in families. He's just so happens to also be a selfish, greedy, self-serving cut-throat businessman. Hardly a meek and humble Christian. Like to fake TV evangelists --- it all show, and Jesus is the back drop for making money."

    If he was a Missionary,
    my Mission President would have sent him home early for not setting a very good example.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 11, 2012 2:13 p.m.

    Yesterday Romney promised backers from the religious rights that he would keep God in his platform and on coins and currency. That makes Obama the only candidate in the race who is not making religion an issue.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 1:23 p.m.

    So, Tom in CA, if you are LDS I assume you welcome with delight all the people who want to know if you are really a Christian. You are not offended. No! They are only asking a question! That the question implies that they don't think you are Christian is absolutely fine with you. You never complain about anyone who says LDS people are not Christian. You tell all your LDS friend, "They are not attacking us, they are only asking a simple question!"

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 11, 2012 12:52 p.m.

    What reason is there for the Deseret News to post a link to a Fox News report citing "my sources" (unnamed) who reportedly informed the author that David Axelrod was discussing a "nuclear option" (Fox News’ term, not Axelrod's) of "unleashing an attack on Romney’s Mormon faith via the mainstream media."

    That’s a loaded charge to be making using ANY source, much less one who is allowed to remain unnamed.

  • The Skeptical Chymist SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    Romney's religion should be a non-issue, just like Obama's religion should be a non-issue. I haven't seen any Democrats making an issue of Romney's religion. For a while some of his primary opponents or their supporters (especially the Christian religious right) were. On the other hand, I've seen LOTS of Republicans or their supporters making a big issue of Obama's religion - including some commenters here. Hypocrisy, much?

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Sept. 11, 2012 12:36 p.m.

    "The fact you even ask what his religion is... that's an attack on his religion ..."

    alt134 - are you being serious, or is that just a joke?? So, to ask any question is "an attack", is that right??

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 12:15 p.m.


    It's time for some fun. How do we not know Mitt Romney is secretly a Muslim (which there would be nothing wrong with incidentally)? Maybe the LDS thing is just a cover just like Obama's Christianity is a cover. How do we know? How do we know! I think Mitt Romney is trying to take away our do we know? Are we sure we Mitt Romney was born in Michigan--I haven't seen his birth certificate--no not a copy, I want the real one. This paranoia about Obama (Obama Derangement Syndrome) has got to stop--it's just not healthy. You don't have to like him or agree about his political stances, but to believe that he is a "foreigner" with a design to destroy America is really out there.

    I hope people don't just look at one person like Mitt Romney, I hope they see a variety of LDS people in the spotlight: Harry Reid, Jon Huntsman Jr., Bryce Harper, Andy Reid, Thomas S. Monson, etc. and see that LDS people are very much their own people, and that the LDS religion is far from a cult.

  • UtahCentrist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 11:53 a.m.

    This is not good news for Romney, and yet he has no one to blame but himself. Romney has shied away from doing any good job of owning his faith proudly. He has tried to find common ground with the religious views of the GOP mainstream, and as a result, most Americans have no idea what he actually believes. He is so worried about saying anything that the base will find "controversial" that all he can do is talk in vagaries.

    Given the makeup of most of the info related to Mormonism that is available online, that information would most likely lead the person to NOT want to cast a vote for Mitt or have a favorable opinion of the LDS church.

    I will leave it up to the reader to decide if this is unfair, or justly deserved.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 10:58 a.m.

    @ute alumni
    High-risk ideas like attacking someone's faith are only done by campaigns who are losing and Obama leads by almost 3 points in the RCP average. His team isn't stupid, they already know attacks on faith would be worthless anyway.

    @Tom in CA
    He's a protestant. The fact you even ask what his religion is... that's an attack on his religion, because it doesn't take much observation to know the answer. He's not a Muslim or an Atheist, he's a semi-active attending protestant, quite possibly the most common religious status in America.

  • bricha lehi, ut
    Sept. 11, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    I think that it would be political suicide for obama to demean Romneys religion, he saw what happened to the other republican candidates when they did the same.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Sept. 11, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    At the minimum, even if mitt looses, we still have spread the word to the world.
    So in the end, the lord is happy.
    That's pretty much the purpose folks.
    Mitt, wins missionary of the month!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    I hope the genuinely curious don't just stop at the officially approved sanitised information available from church PR. There's a lot more interesting stuff on the church than that out there.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 10:18 a.m.

    To Whos Life RU Living? 9:59 a.m. Sept. 11, 2012

    ute alumni,

    It appears you are still fighting an invisible Obama. Your credibility drops with each of your posts.

    Why not defend Obama when his religion is attacked?

    Go BYU!


    Agreed. The President is a Christian, despite what the hate merchants try to claim. Sad that they would do so.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Sept. 11, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    "Why not defend Obama when his religion is attacked?"

    Other than the extreme leftists (including Obama) who want God wiped out of everything, Who is attacking Obama's religion?? Or better yet, WHAT is his religion? Seems to me, the only question about "Obama's religion" is "What is it"??? Some say he is Christian, and some say he is Muslim, depending on the day and how the wind is blowing.

  • Whos Life RU Living? Ogden, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 9:59 a.m.

    ute alumni,

    It appears you are still fighting an invisible Obama. Your credibility drops with each of your posts.

    Why not defend Obama when his religion is attacked?

    Go BYU!

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Sept. 11, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    obama and company will attack the lds church at some point just like ted kennedy did when he was behind to Mitt in the senate race. it worked for teddy. I hope americans are smart enough to see through it this time.