Summit confirms Utah's liquor laws working, Senate leaders say

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  • sidhe2442 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 2:11 p.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin

    I did not mention legalizing crack, I didn't even suggest we should legalize anything. Where did you get crack from?

    I did make a point that the government's control of a legal product like alcohol would be branded as government controlling our life and or communism if the government tried to do it to guns or fast food. If you had to go to the state gun store to buy your guns, or the state owned McDonald's what would you call it?

  • Jeromeo Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 12:39 p.m.

    @ Clinton

    Source? Fact check? It would be just as easy to say that "States like Nevada and New Jersey that have legalized gambling and States that permit para mutual horse race wagering have lost money in the long run, he said." An interesting allegation with an odorous lack of documentation.

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    Sept. 7, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    The concern for the state losing money is overblown in my opinion. Right now, the state is subsidizing the UU athletic department $10 million a year. Instead subsidizing BCS athletics, put that money in education where it belongs. That $10 million will make up for any revenue differential if restraunts are allowed to serve alcohol.

  • Clinton Draper, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 9:16 a.m.

    Legislators can blather on about alcohol all they like, but it really boils down to this:

    "States that have deregulated their alcohol industries have lost money in the long run, he said."

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    "National experts" probably focused (at the request of our legislators) on comparing various laws and alcohol related problems in different states. That would be a valid comparison except for the fact that they overlook the biggest difference between Utah and other states. The vast majority of Utahns are members of one religion.

    That religion teaches that use of alcohol is not allowed, and that has much more impact on alcohol use than all the laws passed by any legislature. Thus, no evidence that our laws are more successful than in any other state.

    If Utah liquor laws were repealed tonight, our alcohol problems would remain pretty much what they are. If total prohibition were imposed, alcohol problems would remain about the same, but with the added problems of bootlegging and home brewed stuff.

    Our legislature really needs to tackle more serious issues that confront us, like illegal immigration, and unfunded mandates like Medicaid. Get out of the alcohol business and privatize it, but collect taxes if you like.

    If legislators really want to decrease alcohol consumption in Utah, then force everyone to become a practicing member of a certain church. But, that is clearly unconstitutional.

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    Utah Republicans constantly slam liberals as big government socialists. Yet the only way they can conceive of to manage the genuine social problems related to alcohol consumption is a top-down, command-and-control, socialistic government control of alcohol retail and distribution. Surely there are policy wonks in the legislature or the think tanks (Sutherland Institute?) who can come up with alcohol policy alternatives that are consistent with the principles of free markets and individual liberty they espouse.

    Conservatives deride public schools as "government schools" and the auto bailout as "Government Motors". Isn't it time to reframe the Utah liquor discussion and start calling liquor stores what they are, "government stores"? How different is Utah from Cuba in this respect? If vouchers are the conservative free market solution for education and health insurance, how about a voucher program for liquor?

    Utah politicians have a lot of nerve complaining about the socialism in the federal government when they run one of the purest forms of socialist enterprises right here at home and vigorously defend it against any efforts at privatization. That they cannot devise freedom-affirming alcohol policies speaks to the intellectual bankruptcy of their political philosophy.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Sept. 7, 2012 8:51 a.m.


    I appreciate what you're saying about not wanting government to control your life...none of us want that. But that doesn't mean we should legalize crack either.

    The line has to be drawn somewhere...the difference between me and you is where it should be drawn.

  • Jeromeo Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 7:04 a.m.

    "Jernigan said Centers for Disease Control and Prevention studies show sales of a particular alcoholic beverage increased 44 percent when its sales were privatized."

    "Centers for Disease Control and Prevention" is not the CDC. Alcoholic beverages are not an infectious disease. This is just a twisted play on words designed to be purposefully misleading. Where are the DN fact checkers while my propaganda meter goes bouncing into the red? Just what particular alcoholic beverage is Jernigan singling out for this glaring tidbit of deliberate misinformation? Perhaps my perennial favorite... Kickapoo Joy Juice! (apologies to the late Al Capp)

    Joseph Campbell must be rolling over in his grave with laughter at this hilarious snippet of self serving mythology.

    On the other hand, wouldn't such an increase in commerce actually be a good thing for Utah's economy? Not to mention the increase in sales tax revenue (hypothetically.)

    Ahhh... if only so much of this nonsense were actually true and not presented in an obviously slanted fashion. How about equal coverage for the positions of the Brewers Associations and the Distillers lobby?

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 7, 2012 1:07 a.m.

    Working? Try to go to the liquor store on a Friday night, or find an open seat in a downtown bar on the weekend. They aren't working. This state is under served. Let the market work.

  • sidhe2442 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 11:48 p.m.

    "He outlined ways in which states can curb excessive drinking, including increasing taxes, avoiding privatization, regulating the number of outlets and limiting days and hours of liquor sales."

    Ok now in place of drinking lets say over eating of fats? including increasing taxes, avoiding privatization, regulating the number of outlets and limiting days and hours of fast food sales.

    Or say over use of guns? including increasing taxes, avoiding privatization, regulating the number of outlets and limiting days and hours of gun sales.

    Sounds like a government trying to control my life