@Brave Sir Robin I did not mention legalizing crack, I didn't
even suggest we should legalize anything. Where did you get crack from? I did make a point that the government's control of a legal product
like alcohol would be branded as government controlling our life and or
communism if the government tried to do it to guns or fast food. If you had to
go to the state gun store to buy your guns, or the state owned McDonald's
what would you call it?
@ ClintonSource? Fact check? It would be just as easy to say that
"States like Nevada and New Jersey that have legalized gambling and States
that permit para mutual horse race wagering have lost money in the long run, he
said." An interesting allegation with an odorous lack of documentation.
The concern for the state losing money is overblown in my opinion. Right now,
the state is subsidizing the UU athletic department $10 million a year. Instead
subsidizing BCS athletics, put that money in education where it belongs. That
$10 million will make up for any revenue differential if restraunts are allowed
to serve alcohol.
Legislators can blather on about alcohol all they like, but it really boils down
to this:"States that have deregulated their alcohol industries
have lost money in the long run, he said."
"National experts" probably focused (at the request of our legislators)
on comparing various laws and alcohol related problems in different states.
That would be a valid comparison except for the fact that they overlook the
biggest difference between Utah and other states. The vast majority of Utahns
are members of one religion. That religion teaches that use of
alcohol is not allowed, and that has much more impact on alcohol use than all
the laws passed by any legislature. Thus, no evidence that our laws are more
successful than in any other state.If Utah liquor laws were repealed
tonight, our alcohol problems would remain pretty much what they are. If total
prohibition were imposed, alcohol problems would remain about the same, but
with the added problems of bootlegging and home brewed stuff.Our
legislature really needs to tackle more serious issues that confront us, like
illegal immigration, and unfunded mandates like Medicaid. Get out of the
alcohol business and privatize it, but collect taxes if you like.If
legislators really want to decrease alcohol consumption in Utah, then force
everyone to become a practicing member of a certain church. But, that is
Utah Republicans constantly slam liberals as big government socialists. Yet the
only way they can conceive of to manage the genuine social problems related to
alcohol consumption is a top-down, command-and-control, socialistic government
control of alcohol retail and distribution. Surely there are policy wonks in
the legislature or the think tanks (Sutherland Institute?) who can come up with
alcohol policy alternatives that are consistent with the principles of free
markets and individual liberty they espouse.Conservatives deride
public schools as "government schools" and the auto bailout as
"Government Motors". Isn't it time to reframe the Utah liquor
discussion and start calling liquor stores what they are, "government
stores"? How different is Utah from Cuba in this respect? If vouchers are
the conservative free market solution for education and health insurance, how
about a voucher program for liquor?Utah politicians have a lot of
nerve complaining about the socialism in the federal government when they run
one of the purest forms of socialist enterprises right here at home and
vigorously defend it against any efforts at privatization. That they cannot
devise freedom-affirming alcohol policies speaks to the intellectual bankruptcy
of their political philosophy.
@sidhe2442I appreciate what you're saying about not wanting
government to control your life...none of us want that. But that doesn't
mean we should legalize crack either.The line has to be drawn
somewhere...the difference between me and you is where it should be drawn.
"Jernigan said Centers for Disease Control and Prevention studies show sales
of a particular alcoholic beverage increased 44 percent when its sales were
privatized.""Centers for Disease Control and Prevention"
is not the CDC. Alcoholic beverages are not an infectious disease. This is
just a twisted play on words designed to be purposefully misleading. Where are
the DN fact checkers while my propaganda meter goes bouncing into the red? Just
what particular alcoholic beverage is Jernigan singling out for this glaring
tidbit of deliberate misinformation? Perhaps my perennial favorite... Kickapoo
Joy Juice! (apologies to the late Al Capp)Joseph Campbell must be
rolling over in his grave with laughter at this hilarious snippet of self
serving mythology.On the other hand, wouldn't such an increase
in commerce actually be a good thing for Utah's economy? Not to mention
the increase in sales tax revenue (hypothetically.)Ahhh... if only
so much of this nonsense were actually true and not presented in an obviously
slanted fashion. How about equal coverage for the positions of the Brewers
Associations and the Distillers lobby?
Working? Try to go to the liquor store on a Friday night, or find an open seat
in a downtown bar on the weekend. They aren't working. This state is under
served. Let the market work.
"He outlined ways in which states can curb excessive drinking, including
increasing taxes, avoiding privatization, regulating the number of outlets and
limiting days and hours of liquor sales."Ok now in place of
drinking lets say over eating of fats? including increasing taxes, avoiding
privatization, regulating the number of outlets and limiting days and hours of
fast food sales.Or say over use of guns? including increasing taxes,
avoiding privatization, regulating the number of outlets and limiting days and
hours of gun sales.Sounds like a government trying to control my