Poll: No Child Left Behind has made American education worse or no different

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 28, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    one old man,

    Poll the teachers? Just look at how many are on welfare. NCLB hasn't worked.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 26, 2012 12:09 a.m.

    Public Education is a states rights issue. The only role of the feds is to insure that states respect the Constitution, treat students fairly, and keep religious zealots from imposing their agenda on a captive audience. For example we needed the federal government to intervene and end segregation and racial discrimination. Education works best when parents are involved and their is local control. I think NCLB is bad policy.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 22, 2012 9:23 p.m.

    Highly educated countries don't have"

    1. half its people on welfare
    2. high unemployment
    3. over half of its college graduates in science, engineering, and chemistry from other countries.
    4. foreigners design technology such as smart phones, computers, car engines, transmissions, televisions, etc,
    5. half of their doctors, and engineers born in other countries.

    And to think we hold the world record for educational spending.

    How's no-child left behind, and standardized testing working out?

  • weathered siding San Antonio, TX
    Aug. 22, 2012 7:51 a.m.

    It's worse than "Everyone is held back until the slowest kid in the class catches up".
    A close friend, who is an elementary educator, told me how this law requires everyone to be "held back" until the slowest "poor kid", the slowest "latino kid", the slowest "dyslexic kid", the slowest "female kid", the slowest "native american kid", the "crippled kid", the slowest "every other possible group we can divide you by kid", catches up.
    The school will be penalized when any of these "classes" scores lower than the school average.
    How do they get this info to divide us ... the forms you fill out the first day of school, and the free/reduced lunch applications.
    GET THE FEDS OUTTA THE SCHOOLS ... local control can solve education issues better than the feds. (I didn't say perfect, but better), because this attempt - created by progressives in both parties - is a train-wreck!

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 6:16 p.m.

    The feds need to stay out of the schools. They bring mandates and a paltry sum to pay for it. They dangle grants in front of schools (along with all the overhead of writing and reporting them) then pull the money away after a few years.
    Look at what it costs districts to comply with school lunch, Title IX, special ed, bilingual ed and the flavor of the month (NCLB, Race to the Top...)
    Meanwhile, the states and our property taxes are left to pay for it all.
    They've got all the control in Washington with little skin in the game.
    Someday we'll put the feds in their place. It can't come soon enough for me.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Aug. 21, 2012 3:49 p.m.

    @One old man: I don't know the answer, but I can tell you that every single teacher I have asked, and I have asked many, absolutely hated the bill.

  • Uncle Charles Where freedom and liberty reign, utah
    Aug. 21, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    Education should be run at the most local level possible. The Feds have no business in educating my children. Bush was wrong for this piece of legislation and I vented my frustration then.

    Duckie: your hyperbole is noted and it's also fair to note that YOU were the one who injected political party into the discussion. Do people like you have the ability to comment without adding political party to the discussion? I think not.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 2:27 p.m.

    It would probably be a much more meaningful poll if teachers were questioned.

    How many of the people polled were teachers?

  • John20000 Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 1:54 p.m.

    It should be called: "Everyone is held back until the slowest kid in the class catches up". The law is dull, not inspiring. It is based on 1950's psychology and is anciently out-dated in terms of recent education theory. It takes on-the-ground decision-making away from the experts (teachers in the classroom) and creates measurements of learning that are laughable. It turns an already overly bureaucratic organization and creates more bureaucracy.

    NCLB should be replaced with a simple voucher system that allows parents to choose which school to send their child (no other strings attached). Parents and teachers working together will make K-12 education better, nothing else. Let parents keep schools accountable, not irrelevant statistics.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 21, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    Hellooo... lets not deflect too much on this... Bush via influence from his wife also had this as one of his marques initiatives.

    "The legislation was proposed by President George W. Bush on January 23, 2001. It was coauthored by Representatives John Boehner (R-OH), George Miller (D-CA), and Senators Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and Judd Gregg (R-NH). The United States House of Representatives passed the bill on May 23, 2001"

    Yes, Senator Kennedy credited with being a co-author... but this was a George W Bush bill. I think you will recognize one of the other Republican authors on this... the honorable senator from Ohio. Surely he would not be so bi-partisan in todays environment. And 3 of the 5 names on this are Republican.

    Bottom line- two parties came together to create something. It would be ever so nice to see two parties come together to fix No Child Left Behind, and Obamacare. Instead we will "repeal" or vote "no", or table bills based on partisanship rather than fixing a problem.

    US Education needs help

    Healthcare needs help.

    Doing nothing doesn't help anyone. Blaming the dead doesn't either.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Aug. 21, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    I think the main problem with No Child Left Behind is that it is being implemented on a national level. It does not take into account that different regions have different circumstances. For example, here in Fresno, we have waves of immigrants come in. So, many of the Fresno schools have to send home notices in Spanish, Hmong and English. Guess which kids do the best on the standardized tests.... Raising the standards without providing a way to reach them is always a recipe for failure.

    In an ideal world, each child would have the same opportunities for learning. But in the real world, some kids learn English at school. It is unrealistic to expect them to be en par with their English speaking counterparts by 2nd grade. This doesn't work and should be scrapped immediately.

  • Colorado Reader Littleton, CO
    Aug. 21, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    Everyone got left behind with this law!

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 12:29 p.m.

    UltraBlueDevil: lets not be too partisan the sponsor of the legislation and prime author was the Honorable Edward Kennedy. This had been along with national health care a life long dream and goal of the Senator. Unfortunately, it has not worked out well for Mr. Bush or the Senator. Afterall, children are not things or parts of things, and setting quality control standards so that they function like manufacturing plants is a poor, poor concept.

  • SpaceCowboy69 Syracuse, UT
    Aug. 21, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    I think the percentage is probably higher than 17% of those polled who actually didn't understand the law. I understand portions of it, but I would not be confident in saying either way. I think a lot of people think they are smarter than they really are.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 21, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    I am sorry... but I probably missed the part where this piece credited this policy to a particular administration and political party. I would have thought the DN would have jumped on a policy that largely tried to federalize educational policy by liberals..... what..... excuse me..... this wasn't a liberal plan.... but a conservative plan. Oh, that is why the DN neglected to name the creators of this plan.

    I actually don't say this to pick on the Bush program... my spouse is an educator, and hated it. But it was an attempt. And the only way you learn is by trying things. My main point is that neither party has the complete answer, and it is through iterative policy and low that we ultimately get to solutions. I hope we get the people in Washington to play nice long enough to mold this policy or to change to something that does work.

    I feel likewise about "obamacare". I do think the current plan is flawed. And I think adults working together can work to fix its short comings, and repeal and replace those parts that need fixing. Adults though, not partisan hacks trying to score points.