Lawmakers, educators growing weary of Common Core debate

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 17, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    the truth,

    Sorry guy, but I've done alot of research on this, and its true.

    Here's what you can do:

    * ask any American engineer, who is working for a company such as Motorola on how many foreigners are there?
    * research places such as Edison New Jersey where much technology jobs are found, and see how many foreigners are there.
    * call several hospitals and ask for human resources, ask how many doctors are from places like the Phillipines, India, etc.
    * check college enrollments, and you'll find a high percentage of students come from other countries.

    I've done this for years, and I know what I'm talking about. See who has designed many of the engines, and transmissions for American cars. Our i-pods, cell phones, computers, cameras, etc, were foreign engineered.

    Our schools with its mandated tests, has caused the largest education budget in history. It's a scam, and we're being left behind.

  • Mamma C HEBER CITY, UT
    Aug. 17, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    Steven Harper: standards drive curriculum. In this case, standards also drive the nationalized, innovation-stifling, common tests. To say that standards don't dictate curriculum is misleading. And although you are correct that literacy should undergird every class, it does not follow that English classes should be forced to slash classic, time tested literature and narrative writing to make room for non-literary topics in English classrooms. To me, removing a teacher's prerogative to determine whether or not he/she wants to add infotexts to the classic literature upon which aeons of successful writers and thinkers have depended, has the same effect in the long term, as book burning would.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 17, 2012 4:11 a.m.

    I'm against the Common Core as it standardize substandard learning and education efficiency by grading eduction on minimal and often times outdated cirriculum.

    This Common Core program is nothing more than a means to socialize education to put educaiton under the bureaucracy of Federal controls in order to regulate curriculum, funding, based on federal regulations.

    Common Core education will basically put education in the hands of federal government and set education back a hundred years. And we have seen in the last decades the state of education as it is controlled by government, it strips children of freedoms they inherit.

    Parents have the right to judge what our schools do in the class rooms and what the schools curriculum is teaching our children. We have the right to choose and voice our demands on education. Parents are the source of what schools teach in the class rooms and have every right to intervene and object or approve curriculum. Children are being taught parents knowledge, experiences, and skills and have everything to do with what is taught.

    Business has been negative on education, they use our schools to specialize education to control expectations, lives, and individual futures as subservient employees.

  • Steven Harper Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2012 12:06 a.m.

    Standards are not curriculum or pedagogy. They're standards. But the CCSS standards are the only standards in over 200 years that have established "text-complexity" criteria for the literature, non-fiction, and informational texts that students read. And just as commonsensical: the Common Core Standards, ideally, should undergird the literacy that is taught school-wide in EVERY class, by EVERY teacher. The new standards are already being implemented. They are a necessary upgrade, and should not be a political football.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Aug. 16, 2012 6:43 p.m.

    RE: worf

    That's not even true, it's not even close to the truth.

    In fact it is absurd.

    The extreme left persists in publishing outright lies, in some insane desire to completely remove any local control of education.

  • Mamma C HEBER CITY, UT
    Aug. 16, 2012 3:04 p.m.

    It almost seems as if this reporter made up his mind, siding with Shumway and the pro-federal control side of the education argument, rather than thoroughly reporting what took place at yesterday's meeting. He skipped so much! Sen. Stephenson, Rep. Nielsen, Rep. Gibson, Rep. Christensen, Rep. Sumison and others asked specific, probing questions readers would want to know about. They questioned the wisdom of the board's 2-day approval of the national standards, the fact that national reviewers find the standards inferior to other countries and to many states' previous standards (Utah's were equal or slightly better before). They questioned spending so much money, doing so much teacher development, and making drastic curricular changes without the public even knowing what was going on. They asked why Massachusetts dumbed down to Common Core. The cost-benefit analysis has revealed a negative for Utah, to remain in Common Core. And then there's the copyright issue, and the data collection issue-- Sen. Osmond and Mr. Woods, you may be weary of this, but the mother bears and father bears are just waking up to what's being done to the students in the name of Common Core.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 16, 2012 2:46 p.m.

    Half of our country's doctors, and engineers are from other countries. What does that say about standardized testing, and other crazy strategies which were forced on our schools?

  • Autumn Cook Lehi, UT
    Aug. 15, 2012 11:28 p.m.

    I think it's fair to say that many of the citizens of Utah are growing weary of the debate too. It's wearisome to bring up perfectly legitimate concerns with one's elected representatives, and be dismissed over and over again, or in some cases, attacked. It's tiresome to hear that where standards come from, and what strings may be attached to them, don't matter; to hear that only the standards themselves matter. And it's especially tiresome to disagree with the standards themselves, but be powerless to get them changed.

    If education operated as it should - at the school and district level - parents would be able to have a strong influence in what is taught. Instead, we are pushed aside and discounted as "non-experts." This debate must continue, as long as there are Utah parents who care about what and how their children are being taught and measured in the public schools.