Re: Furry1993 Clearfield, UT"Democrats are like herding cats -- they
go all ways at once, and it is very hard to keep them in line."A
kite without a tail and a ship without a rudder go all over and are very hard to
keep going in a straight line. Conservatives know who they are, know when they
are going, and tend to go in straight lines.There is nothing
praiseworthy about being a kite .... without a tail.
There are realities for Democrats even in Utah if one hopes to ever get elected.
Still, if Cooke had chosen to apply his Mormon beliefs about abortion and gay
marriage to his own personal life while recognizing there are other public
concerns and choices, it might have been interesting. Certainly laudable. But he
loses in any case.Look forward to the coming day when gay marriage
will be legal everywhere, including in Utah and when even a healthy number of
Mormons support it. Also look forward to the nomination and election of a
secular humanist, but that will take longer.
Straddling a fence never works. Why would anyone who believes that traditional
marriage is the only form of marriage, associate himself with a party that
thinks traditional marriage is passe? Why would anyone who respects the right
of the unborn to be born associate himself with a party that believes the mother
has the right to destroy the life within her?Compassion does not
come from the government. Compassion comes from the people. It is a duty that
is left to the people. Compassion cannot be legislated without taking away our
agency. When we pledge our support to government and assign
government a duty, such as defense, we are obligated to give money and our
lives, if necessary. That is why we have limited the duties assigned to
government. The State must not mix "compassion" with
"duty". The Democrat platform has forgotten the difference between
"duty" and "compulsion".Christians believe in
helping all people. Real Christians don't need to be forced to search out
the poor and offer aid. Government must not become a pseudo-god that forces us
to do good.Mr. Cooke should re-evaluate which party best fits his
This is why Democrats have such a tough time in Utah. While there are many
things in the Democratic philosophy that are pretty good, they take such a
strong extreme position on some issues like abortion and gay marriage, that
moderates who would like to support them cannot do so without also supporting
those divisive issues.I applaud Cooke for trying to distance himself
from those issues, but it is not a winning strategy in the long run. Matheson
has been able to do it to a limited extent, but even his days are numbered.
Hmmm. Does this candidate really believe in his own position or is "in line
with Utah values" merely pandering to the Utah electorate? In Politics,
having a "position" is often not the same as having the courage of
one's conviction. I agree that we need to dispense with the politics of
ideology and focus on Education and such. But does a candidate for office in
the State of Utah really need to resort to ideological subterfuge? Apparently
“Children are entitled…to be raised by a father and mother who honor
marital vows with utmost fidelity” LDS proclamation on the family.“(Cooke) later, through a spokeswoman, backed adoptions by gay
couples.” ArticleRegardless of which statement you agree with
(if either), I do not see how they can be compatible. A “father and a
father” is NOT a “father and a mother”, nor is a “mother
and a mother”Matheson "has spent his whole career"
making his differences with the national party clear to voters.No,
Matheson has spent his career fooling folks into thinking he has differences
with the national party. If they really need him, like his procedural votes
leading up to the passage of Obamacare, they know they can count on him.Furry,Hard to keep dems in line? Is that why unwavering support
for abortion on demand is a judicial litmus test as far as dems are
concerned?Esquire,in a way, you are right. If Cooke wants to
make a difference, he should switch parties. I know good conservative folk in
other states who have to be dems to be heard.
The typical sacrificial Utah Democrat, disowning a platform that has not been
written. Sen. Machin of West Virginia does the same thing, but at least in West
Virginia, a Dem can get elected. Imagine WV being more progressive than Utah.
(I know, the hyper partisans will point out Matheson to disprove my assertion,
but Matheson is really a Republican. Just chill out. Utah is as close to a one
party state as they come. Even Putin's United Russia gets more
He supports O, enough said. He will say any thing to get elected. Republicans
aren't much better look at Sen. Hatch, but dem's are worse. We
can't survive as a nation under 4 more with O.
Gary Herbert is the waffle king. Peter Cooke has a distinguished record of
rock-solid leadership both in the military and in business. Unfortunately, as
evidenced by the comments above, Utahns do get hung up on wedge issues and even
go so far as to ascribe to the Democratic candidate beliefs contrary to the ones
he holds. Politics in Utah is such a sad state of affairs.
I sure wish the newspapers would discuss the candidates' stand on all
issues - where does he stand on the environment, and cleaning up Utah's
air, ground and water pollution? Is he willing to tax the dirty industries for
the pollution they cause and give tax breaks to "green" industry? And
will he stand strong on issues?
good luck with your party's left leaning platform. you haven't a
prayer to win in utah. saying you will vote for obama seals the deal for me. no
way cooke. four more years of obama would totally leave this country in ruins.
thanks for your military service, but supporting someone that doesn't
support or respect the military is mind numbing.
Utah values? I was born and raised in Utah, and support gay rights and
This guy waffles too much on his positions to be taken seriously. And the worst
thing he did was say, "See, I'm a Mormon." That's as bad as a
car dealer who claims the same thing, then proceeds to sell you a lemon. Conservatives are always looking for the candidate that has backbone and
conviction, not one who has several definitions for one word.
This shows the very real difference between Republicans and Democrats.
Republicans either walk lock-step and kowtow to the far right elements of the
party. Democrats are like herding cats -- they go all ways at once, and it is
very hard to keep them in line.
I served under Gen. Cooke with the 96th RRC. He was a good commander and
welcomed me home from Iraq. I don't understand however how he can say he
doesn't support gay marriage or abortion but then says he will vote for
President Obama. That, in my mind, is a contradiction of character that cannot