No more Mr. Nice Mitt: Romney tells Harry Reid to 'put up or shut up'

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    Aug. 10, 2012 5:46 a.m.

    Don't you just love the Right Wing rhetoric that blames Pres. Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi for the failure of the Republican legislators to work WITH Pres. Obama instead of voting AGAINST everything and every proposal made by Pres. Obama?

    WHY is Mitt Romney afraid to let the American people know why he does not trust banks within the
    United States?

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 5, 2012 9:09 p.m.

    Wow... almost 100 comments on this subject! It is clear this issue is not going to die down or go away, and Mitt's strategy of secrecy is failing.

    A few days ago I asked the Mitt defenders to stop deflecting and give us any reasons why less disclosure is better than more disclosure. The deflection has continued and nobody has presented one reason why we should have less disclosure (than we have had in the past) from our candidates.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Aug. 5, 2012 6:00 p.m.

    @Lost in DC

    Oh one more thing. You saying Reid is arrogant--LOL. He is so soft spoken and friendly. Meanwhile, look at the National likeability polls of Romney. Dick Cheney is about the only person with less likeability. The whole world thinks Romney is arrogant.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Aug. 5, 2012 5:50 p.m.

    @Lost in DC

    Reid explained what his source said. It isn't baseless. Romney can dish it out (did the same thing in the Governor's race with his opponent's spouse), but can't take it.

    No person is pro-abortion. I am sorry if everyone doesn't agree with the point-of-view that Congress has in forcing the rape victim to bear the child. Reid's stance on that is actually very in line with the LDS church (abortion in cases of rape, incest, and health of the mother)

    I think the LDS church is not against civil unions (state-recognized marriages). Reid explained he didn't morally agree with gay marriage, but supported civil union rights--no conflict there.

    Your friend is very mistaken. My friend who belongs to the ward and attends the meetings says he sits in the congregation and his protection service is out in the lobby.

    How about your GOP votes on immigration? Does that reflect the church? How about their Pharisee-style economics? Does that represent the church? NO!

    Harry is as good as a person you'll ever find. A great ambassador of the LDS Faith!

    Keep fighting Harry!

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    "I love that the Democrats are trying to play the patriotism card in demanding that 'the rich' pay more taxes. The real patriots started a war over paying too much taxes to a distant capitol."

    Yes, the founding fathers started a war with England, and that was one of the reasons.

    You do realize, though, that Whashington DC is not a distant Capitol, it is the Capitol of this country, the country you and I live in. It is our Capitol.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Aug. 5, 2012 11:08 a.m.

    Ann Romney has admitted there is something to hide. On Good Morning America she said "Because, there are so many things that will be open again for more attacks and you just want us to give more material for more attacks,...” .

  • davidutefan Evanston, WY
    Aug. 5, 2012 12:03 a.m.

    @Utahbruin. no the state of Hawaii released a short form and the ong form was also released. I have 4 birth certificates issued by Utah (short form) and all are legal and show place of birth. Not one of them was born in Kenya, surprisingly enough. We still haven't seen the rest of Romney's tax returns and what we have seen is a lower tax rate than most Americans.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2012 9:45 p.m.

    Show the returns!

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Aug. 4, 2012 5:59 p.m.

    I love that the Democrats are trying to play the patriotism card in demanding that 'the rich' pay more taxes. The real patriots started a war over paying too much taxes to a distant capitol.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 4, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    I will have to agree that Mr Romney has probably paid all of the taxes that he is legally required to pay.

    However, I would bet that the same applies to GE.

    Why the double standard?

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Aug. 4, 2012 1:32 p.m.

    Harry, I used to respect and defend you. You are now embarrassing me.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 4, 2012 1:17 p.m.

    harry represents the LDS faith so well

    you mean with baseless accusations? I was not aware that represented the LDS faith

    pro-abortion votes? I was not aware that represented the LDS faith

    pro-gay-marriage votes? I'm pretty sure that does NOT represent the LDS faith.

    I also have a friend in an LDS ward in the DC area. He says harry insists in sitting on the stand wherever he goes and be recognized. I've heard he is as arrogant as they come.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Aug. 4, 2012 12:18 p.m.

    I salute Harry Reid, the most powerful LDS in politics. I have a friend in the LDS ward in DC. She tells me about how Harry regularly attends church meetings and is a very nice person. It's so refreshing to have an LDS member in the public eye that represents the LDS faith so well and isn't caught changing his positions like a person changes socks like Willard.

    Harry Reid still has five more years as Democratic Senate Leader and will probably be at least two more years of Senate Majority Leader while Willard will be trying out for a show on Fox News in early November--you'll want to make sure and DVR that--excitement she wrote!

    Keep fighting Harry!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 4, 2012 12:07 p.m.

    "Half the people don't pay any federal income tax. Where's the fairness in that? Romney pays millions."

    We will completely ignore that a good portion of those are retired households. My mom (76) lives off her social security check which totals less than $14,000 a year. She files taxes, and doesn't own any federal on those funds.

    So what percentage of those $14,000 would make the conservatives feel good about her not being a free loader on the tax payers? We will ignore for the sake of argument that she paid her part for over 45 years. What amount would make people like MItt (or others here) not feel like she is being an undue burden.

    And what percentage of people pay taxes has nothing to do with the lack of openness from Romney. As we have seen in post about the ATK loss, most conservatives (and liberals too) believe crony capitalism if far too big of a problem in US politics. How Romney leverages his millions is very critical in these discussions. Romney alone can stop this issue from casting a shadow on his campaign.

  • sergio Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 4, 2012 11:13 a.m.

    Senator Reid is a statesman of courage in challenging Romney to show how much tax he pays to support America. Paying taxes is a privilege the same as paying tithing. It is the cost of civilization and all citizens should be proud to pay their fair share. If Romney hasn't cheated the nation and the American people then he shouldn't have any problem releasing his taxes for public examination, the same as his father did and all the other presidential candidates

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 4, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    The preceding posts are an entertaining collection of attempted deflection and misdirection, but I have yet to read a single cogent argument explaining why less disclosure is better than more disclosure.

    If Mitt is paying little or no taxes while calling for more tax breaks for the top 1% of earners, that is relevant to me and will affect my view on the subject of tax breaks for the wealthy.

    If Mitt is partnering in substantial offshore investments with Saudi oil sheiks or other foreign investors with interests opposed to U.S. interests, I believe he has (or will have) a conflict of interest that many voters probably want to know about.

    If Mitt has invested in the foreign companies directly competing with the U.S. companies Bain was outsourcing U.S. jobs from (i.e., the companies replacing U.S. fired workers), I want to know about it and I believe it is relevant to Mitt's claims about supporting U.S. workers.
    To those who want to deflect and talk about Reid or Obama or anything else, I say put up a reason why less disclosure is better than more disclosure, or shut up.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 4, 2012 8:45 a.m.

    Please show me where I said harry accused Romney of anything illegal. Nice spin and obfuscation.

    As for Romney not paying a lot of taxes – he paid a lot more than me and I would suspect he paid a lot more than you.

    Perfect example. Give in to a baseless demand unnecessarily and more pop up. Just a smoke screen to obfuscate BO’s incompetence.

    Guilty until proven innocent? Still??

    Ernest, Schwa
    See comment to Sergio

    Glen in the Bronx,
    Turn off MSNBC and open YOUR mind

    Utah Bruin,
    Reid is making himself look childish and foolish – yup, but no more so than usual

    And it appears harry is abetting a felon by releasing information about tax returns

    It’s not so much support for Mitt, it’s the absolute need to removed the current scourge from the WH, and Mitt is the best alternative

    Many liberals assert the return would show Romney paid at a lower rate than middle class Americans. This is a lie. Most middle class Americans pay NO income tax. How is 15% LESS than 0? Only in dem math.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 4, 2012 6:57 a.m.

    Why is Romney even acknowledging this man Harry Reid? He's a notheing and means nothing and merits no response. It is no ones business about filed taxes and Reid is making accusation based on no facts as is everyone else. I'm sure Harry Reid pays even less taxes than most americans himself.

    Reid is just a blowhard "front man" with strings attached to Obama and Romney should addresses any comments to Obama so Reid can rest his weary brain and go home.

    As for tax percentages paid by Romney at 19% is very well taxed income when you consider that 80% of american pay less the 10% in taxes and 47% of americans and 100% of foreign nationals pay no taxes at all. Its all these free loaders not paying taxes that is the problem. Anyone paying a tax at all is the ones to praise.

    So how is Obama paying taxes on a phony ID and SSN? The IRS has notified Obama but we all know how that went, ignore it and give the IRS 800 new jobs as tax collectors.

    Mister hard core better get hard core and attack Obama with his own medicine.

  • Rick2009 MESA, AZ
    Aug. 4, 2012 1:24 a.m.

    Where in the CONSTITUTION does it say a Presidential candidate has to release their tax returns? Where? Nowhere. If he is smart enough to hire tax accountants etc. that know how to use the tax laws as written to save money so be it. Quit whining about his money. Most of you whiners probably made choices in life that made it hard to go down the direction Mitt did. To my friend in St.George Utah who voted for Obama last election but has said Obama has not done what he said, why don't we ask Obama to put up, and I am not talking about tax returns.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 4, 2012 12:32 a.m.

    You gotta know that the life long, elitist senator Reid keeps all his income in Searchlight, NV where he grew up.

  • Shazandra Bakersfield, CA
    Aug. 4, 2012 12:15 a.m.

    Just love that Mr. Nice Guy is sticking it to the dems, the libs, the nasty crowd, the sold-out journalists, the Kool Aid drinkers, the haters, the Marxist/Communist/KKKers-et al. Too funny that only a few here "get" his tactic. He's squeaky clean and he's not gonna let the junkyard dogs boss him around. So stew away and go pick on our Border Patrol or the ICE agents.

    And while you're busy deflecting,, Harry- How did all your minions miss finding this juicy tidbit in '08?... This means Mitt is smarter than all of your side, huh...

    I had no intention of voting for the Mittster, now I'm campaigning for him just to light up my liberal friends and let Mr. Mormon have the last laugh. Just wish Mitt were an African-American minority female.

    FYI: The Bible is repleat with how to treat non-believers, your enemies, your brethren, your neighbor. Harry just doesn't feel complelled to obey God. What a novel concept for politicians.

    I am just ashamed and angry that I voted for this Chicago/novice politico. What a transparent man of honor he turned out to be.

  • slpa1 West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 10:32 p.m.


    I'm sorry you misread my post. I didn't reach, and didn't speculate. I acknowledged that Romney has paid every penny he is lawfully required to pay. I also acknowledged that he could have - legally - paid no taxes if he had no taxable income.

    Romney claims has has paid taxes every year. Reid claims Romney has not. Hmmmmm. Who to believe?

    Romney has the ability to prove Reid wrong and deal a major blow to the Democrats and the Obama campaign.

    Will he prove Reid wrong? Can he?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 3, 2012 9:50 p.m.

    Half the people don't pay any federal income tax. Where's the fairness in that? Romney pays millions.

    It's people like Romney who keeps the country going, and the pathetic whiners fed. Shame on you.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 3, 2012 9:46 p.m.

    Romney's heart is in his wallet, he has no patriotism for serving his country or paying taxes. He is all about money and himself, and he will do or say whatever it takes to have money and power with little regard or compassion for the middle class or labor who may get in his way. Romney is all about Romney. It is time to drop him and nominate Senator McCain.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 8:44 p.m.

    "'s about understanding that no matter what he does the (Republicans) are going to hammer him so why bother?...".

    An accurate description of 1/2009 to 8/2012... and counting.

    So, it's ok to "hammer" a president, for whatever reason, yet not ok to "hammer" a candidate, for whatever reason?

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 8:43 p.m.

    Ironic considering all Mr. Reid wants is for Mitt to put up or shut up.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 8:15 p.m.

    "...Romney said he has paid taxes every year...".

    Politicians always tell the truth.

  • BarkforSark PROVO, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 7:53 p.m.


    Nice attempt at a major reach, but Romney said he has paid taxes every year. Try another unfounded speculation.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 7:50 p.m.

    We always ask why we don't have better people in leadership. THIS is why. Harry Reid has made some incredibly serious charges against Mitt Romney. He is accusing him of not paying taxes for TEN years. That is a crime. So, in a nation where we all (supposedly) believe in due process, Mitt Romney is somehow guilty because of hearsay from Harry Reid???

    As a U.S. Senator, Reid's accusations are irresponsible. As an Elder in the LDS church, he is bearing false witness.

    Meanwhile, the unemployment rate went up to 8.3% today and the Democrats only plan is to look for Mitt Romney's tax returns for the past ten years. There isn't an Obama supporter who can tell my why we should re-elect the president. You have nothing.

  • BarkforSark PROVO, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 7:46 p.m.

    I guess when you want to believe something it doesn't matter how much logic and evidence goes against you. There was nothing illegal about Romney's 2010 return, but did that stop democrats from pouncing on it? Mocking him for paying a lower tax rate? Obviously not. So why would anyone think that all Romney needs to do is release 10 more years of returns and the democrats will shut up? Obviously thy won't. So why on Earth would Romney want to provide the returns? It's not about hiding illegal or suspicious activity, it's about understanding that no matter what he does the democrats are going to hammer him so why bother? I can't believe this is so difficult to understand. But like I said, when you don't want to understand, you won't.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 3, 2012 7:40 p.m.

    The negativity from Obama. That's rich. The right still claims Obama is a communist, stalinist, socialist, muslim, born in Kenya that is behind schedule in taking away your guns. Should I mention the nasty email racists jokes sent out of watermellons growing on the whitehouse lawn or the dog whistle "thug from Chicago" remarks that bring up certain racist imagery?

    Reid wants to see how Mitt handles money.

    Outraged I tell you, outraged!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 3, 2012 7:31 p.m.

    PP - I am not sure if you are just making up numbers, or your sources are highly difference that what I am looking at. If you go to sites like Charity Navigator that list all charities and the percentages, their numbrs don't come close to what you are quoting

    To the Romney comment - we know he gave 15% one year - only. We don't know anything about what he gave any other year. But the Washington Post fact checked Huckabee's claimes ( his is the one who claimed 1%) and this is what they reported.

    "Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney meets Huckabee’s test. His 2010 tax return shows that he contributed nearly $3 million to charitable causes out of taxable income of $21.6 million. That’s 13.8 percent, just about equal to Obama’s percentage in that year. (For more information, see The Washington Post’s side-by-side comparison of the Obama, Romney and Gingrich 2010 tax returns.)"

    The years before that, 2007-2009 ,Obama averaged 25.1%.

    So please - we know what Obama contributed back to 2001 (which was pathetic that year). We have no idea what Romney did.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 7:21 p.m.

    Harry Reid just needs to shut up. He looks so bad at this point that it's embarrassing.

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 7:04 p.m.

    "Bloomberg News - Barack Obama and his wife Michelle gave $10,772 of the $1.2 million they earned from 2000 through 2004 to charities, or less than 1 percent, according to tax returns for those years released today by his campaign."

    We already know that Romney gave more than 15% to charity so you have to ask - would you rather give to a charity or the government? Charitys typically give more than 90%of the money after expenses to the cause - governments give less than 60% of the money collected. Honestly there is not even a comparison about who has a moral leg to stand on.

    The funny thing is, the ones demanding Mit release more tax returns are the ones that would not vote for him even if The Obama was sacraficing virgins in the oval office.

  • slpa1 West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 6:41 p.m.

    I have no doubt that Romney has an accountant and lawyer who make absolutely sure his taxes are done properly and legally. I'm sure Romney has paid every penny he legally owes. We know from the partial returns Romney released that he paid roughly 15% in taxes, which is common for people whose income is primarily from investments. And, it's perfectly legal.

    It's also possible that, for the 10 years claimed by Harry Reid, Romney - legally - paid no taxes. How? Perhaps in that time Romney had no taxable income, due to losses in his investments.

    And there's the problem for Romney. Romney represents himself as the Messiah of the economy, with all the answers to get America's economy on a roll again. However, what does it say if his own personal investments have shown losses for 10 years, allowing him to pay no income taxes? Is he really the genius businessman he says he is?

    I think Romney has a conundrum. Either he paid taxes and Harry Reid is wrong, or he legally paid no taxes because he had no income, or he illegally dodged his tax responsibility.

    Which is it, Mitt?

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Aug. 3, 2012 6:16 p.m.

    You would think a Senator of Harry Reid's standing could acquire much better political advice, about keeping his mouth shut. I don't think there is a person in politics ANYWHERE, who looks more idiotic, obtuse, and completely lame, then Harry Reid, whenever he has something to say! Not even Joe Biden is this dumb, and at least we can laugh at old Joe. Watching Harry Reid is like looking at the sun, it just hurts!

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 6:07 p.m.

    Brown shirted thuggery is not healthy for America. Trying to make someone feel guilty for crimes not committed is a tactic used by knee jerk, jack booted nationalists. Mitt, don't EVER "show your papers" unless you are summoned into court. That's your in-a-lien-able right as a human being. Say no to jack booted American imbeciles.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 6:02 p.m.

    We pretty much know where Mitt got his millions. I'm interested in seeing how Harry got his millions, albeit only a few. But hey, that's pretty good for working in a government job. If Mitt had not filed taxes in 10 years the IRS would be all over him, and Harry knows that. Both these guys make me sick.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 3, 2012 5:56 p.m.

    This is such a lucky day for Mitt to show us just how over taxed the rich are.

    Come on Mitt, sell me on that 20% tax cut for the wealthy.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 3, 2012 5:49 p.m.


    Why no heighten suspicions on Obama? Did he pay taxes on the millions spent on vacations.

    Did he supply weapons to Mexican cartels? Looks more like he's hiding something.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Aug. 3, 2012 5:19 p.m.

    Why does Romney keep falling for this? He's allowed Senator Reid to put him into an untenable position. He insists that the rumor about not paying taxes is untrue, but refuses to release his tax returns. He's being lured into helping to spread the rumor. He makes it seem more credible every time he says he won't release his tax returns like everyone else.

    Meanwhile he's not talking about the only real issue that is in his favor - the economy.

  • rapaz11 Sitka, AK
    Aug. 3, 2012 5:15 p.m.

    Of course there is no law requiring one to release their taxes, but its called public perception and Romney is horrible at it. Either he is hiding something, or doesn't want people to trust him. Until he comes forward, people will assume that he paid no taxes. Mitt is no longer in the Business world and he can't get by just because of his status. He can't just feel entitled to the white house because people don't like Obama's record. Until he learns that, he has no chance, no matter how bad Obama's record is.

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    Aug. 3, 2012 5:09 p.m.

    The negativity from Obama and his allies has escalated to new heights. Romney is supposed to release his tax returns when Obama has yet to release a long list of items that make it difficult to understand his ideological background? And you want more fodder for democrat attacks? What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 5:07 p.m.

    For Mitt supporters, even if you've already made up your minds that you'll support him no matter what happens with his tax returns, aren't you still just a little bit curious to find out what he's hiding? Come on and admit that you are a little curious to find out even though you'd vote for him no matter what.

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 5:04 p.m.


    As a voter, I'll decide for myself whether Mitt's tax returns are my business. Every single other voter gets to decide for themselves as well.

    Legally, Mitt doesn't have to provide his tax returns. Legally, every one of the past presidential candidates who did provide their tax returns did not have to do so. But then legally, all of us middle-class voters get to decide if Mitt's withholding of his tax returns will affect our vote. There's not much you or other Mitt defenders can do about that.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 5:03 p.m.

    UtahBruin: I absolutely believe Reid. Romney has no credibility until he stops hiding whatever it is he's hiding.
    If Romney had in fact paid taxes then the obvious response to Reid is to prove it.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 4:58 p.m.

    Romney has probably paid at a rate lower than the average middle income family. I'll betcha that's why he won't release his returns. This could get really fun.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 4:57 p.m.

    Even in a heated political campaign there is a line. Harry Reid stepped over it. If he can't come up with something other than an unsubstantiated rumor, he owns Mr. Romney an apology.

    Obama has hidden his college transcript and thesis and yet he talks about transparency. It's there - we can see right through him.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 4:56 p.m.

    @Craig Clark
    "What's the worst that Romney's tax returns are likely to show? "

    The absolute worst would be if Romney took advantage of a tax amnesty with his Swiss funds in 2009 to bring them onshore since participating in such an amnesty disqualifies someone from becoming president. I don't think that happened though. Worst that it can show that is likely... if he paid single digit income taxes some years, possibly dropping towards 0% a year or two, while investing in American failure through short sales (in a manner similar to some of the big banks).

  • wingnutty Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 3, 2012 4:52 p.m.

    Well, it would really be a blow to conservative politicking if Romney has been complaining about taxes being too high and it turnes out he doesn't pay any federal taxes.

    If you are going to base your politics on federal taxes being too high, show me the damage.

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 4:51 p.m.

    Mitt defenders say the only thing relevant is if Mitt broke any laws filing his tax returns. If the IRS is satisfied Mitt's returns are accurate and legal, then that is all that matters. What they mean is that to themselves, that is all that matters. As a voter, I get to decide for myself what is important to me. Mitt defenders don't get to tell me whether his tax returns are important to me. In the voting booth, we're not trying to debate Mitt's guilt or innocence. We're voting our trust in his ability to be POTUS. I want to know how Mitt handles his finances and his view of the tax obligations of the wealthy versus the middle class.

    If Mitt doesn't want to release his tax returns, don't. It's my choice as a voting middle-class American to decide if I believe he's hiding something that would show he's unfit to represent me as a middle-class American. For myself and likely hundreds of thousands of middle-class Americans, Mitt's stonewalling only serves to heighten my suspicions.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 3, 2012 4:46 p.m.


    Mitts tax returns are non of your business. Leave it to the IRS.

    If you like hide and go seek, Obama has more to offer.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Aug. 3, 2012 4:39 p.m.

    What's the worst that Romney's tax returns are likely to show? That he availed himself of every possible tax shelter? Lot's of Americans do that. If that's all it is, it doesn't make him look good but it doesn't do irreparable damage to his campaign. But continuing to hold out ensures that his taxes will be a nagging distraction in his run and hand the Obama team a lot of material for attack ads right down to the election.

    Either Romney is not getting good advice or he just refuses to listen. Not a good trait for a potential President.

    Aug. 3, 2012 4:31 p.m.

    Harry Reid's wealth came after his election, same as O Hatch. Go figuer... The trap is set on you Harry. This ought to be fun to watch. Political suicide ala carte

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 4:30 p.m.

    Mitt Romney has provided the needed documents and certifications, etc to the Federal election authorities, as needed or he would not have gotten this far. Providing tax returns wouldn't end the firestorm, as the Chicago group would request more and more documentation. President Obama didn't have a strong opponent last time and the President didn't have to provide much of anything except the Federal requirements as Hope and Change was riding the wave. He was even able to drive Hillary from the competition with his community action committees in every major city he visited. He is limited from using those same groups as he did before but his Chicago group have their ways to move those people during and after the DNC national convention. Senator Reid is not squeaky perfect and is opening his door to become as Representative Pelosi, at the end of his leadership, one way or another, inside or outside the Senate. The Presidential process has so many requirements in the various stages that there are only small things for an outside candidate to fear. Hopefully, in 90 plus days we will have a change of the Hope and Change President, with Mitt.

  • hermounts Pleasanton, CA
    Aug. 3, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    If Romney hadn't paid his taxes for 10 years, we would have heard about it long before now. It is particularly unfortunate that Reid, as a fellow Latter-day Saint, saw fit to make such an accusation. Isn't there something in the scriptures about not bearing false witness?

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 4:24 p.m.

    Mitt is definitely hiding something in those tax returns. With as much political flack as he is receiving for not releasing them, there is only one logical conclusion. Mitt believes that the damage from releasing his returns will be worse than the damage from not releasing them. And the damage from not releasing them is great, given that Mitt is getting pressure from both the left and right to do so. Between now and November, the amount of speculation and pressure about Mitt's unreleased tax returns is only going to go up and up. Again, what is in those returns must be pretty damning for Mitt to endure all this just to keep them secret.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    Harry Reid is lying or obtained information if released to him by a preparer or the white house or the IRS is a felony act. If a Bain employee who may have prepared Mitt's tax return, it would be a felony act. So for Reid to say he received it from a reliable source, his source is a felon. That means his source is a felon or is lying.

    The IRS cannot disclose tax information, remember Hillary and cogot into some hot water attempting to access republican tax returns.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 3, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    I could care less about his tax returns but the fact that Romney won't release them so dogmatically leads you to believe he has something he wants to hide. Why else wouldn't he just release them? Let's be logical folks ...

    Aug. 3, 2012 4:21 p.m.

    Harry's wealth came after his election, same as Hatch. Poor Harry, the trap is set and he will not excape. See ya Harry,,,,, I will watch and

  • satch Highland, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 4:17 p.m.

    Romney needs to fire his entire political staff. His message is getting buried. His most important message is the economy, jobs, and freedom away from socialism.

    The problem is the democrats continue to play cards that Romney and his staff seem to get stung every time. You want tax issues to go away. Make your tax returns visible- no one cares. Legally he doesn't need to show his taxes, but the quickest way to get this thing to disappear is to play a higher card.

    Secondly, he needs to change the spotlight onto Obama. There are so many issues he is not showing any passion for (Socialism, growing government, higher taxes, no jobs, etc) Somehow his advisors and teams have no clue how to get this into the press. If they can't figure this out, this election is pretty much over.

    Playing defense is killing your campaign.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Aug. 3, 2012 4:09 p.m.

    I don't know where this "No More Mr. Nice Mitt" comes from. Romney plays it rough and always has. Just ask Perry, Santorum, and Gingrich.

    I don't know if Romney has anything to hide. But he sure makes it look like he has something to hide, the more stubborn he becomes about releasing his taxes. He could clear this all up and make his critics look like fools. That is, if he really has nothing to hide.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 3, 2012 3:45 p.m.


    A certificate of live birth lists the hospital and the city you were born in. If you look at President Obama's Certificate of Live Birth it lists the hospital and city in the state of Hawaii he was born in. Which should have ended that discussion

    However that again is not my point. This is not about President Obama, this is about Potential President Romney. Since he is proposing further tax cuts for the wealthy, I think that it is perfectly appropriate for Americans to want to see his tax returns.

    He has every right to choose not to produce those returns, and in doing so he chooses to allow this controversy to continue. When you run for the highest office of the land, your prior conduct is fair game. I didn't see the republicans take then candidate Obama's word that he separated ties with Reverend Wright and drop that attack.

    I know that probably means that I engage in class warfare, since any discussion of the rich in their money is inappropriate according to the republicans but oh well I believe in the First Amendment.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 3, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    Hey Harry,

    Almost six trillion dollars were added to the debt in the past four years. That's more then enough to provide health coverage to all our citizens.

    Instead of focusing on Romney's tax returns,--find out what happened to that six trillion.

    While you're at it, how about providing an audit of the stimulus package for us to see.

    I can't remember, was it Romney who gave hundreds of millions to Solyndra?

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 3:37 p.m.

    Looks like Harry Reid used one of the oldest political dirty tricks in the book: Find (or make up) a nasty rumor, claim "someone" told you about it, say you have no first hand knowledge "but if it's true....", then sit back and watch it catch fire.

    Of course, if it's true it isn't a dirty trick. But given the way this whole thing has rolled out I'd bet my mortgage that Harry Reid has jumped into the pig trough.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 3:34 p.m.

    "if Reid is so confident, then he should reveal his source. "

    Well that can be a bit complicated. Let's say for sake of argument that Reid did hear this from someone who is part of Bain (regardless of whether the claim made by said person is accurate or not). It's possible that this person doesn't want to have their name disclosed because if it is a Bain insider (I don't think he made it clear if it's a current or former Bain member) then they could risk some sort of punishment from their company for this. I understand that it'd be helpful if the source were willing to go on the record but... I'm not so sure he/she wants that.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 3:27 p.m.

    @UtahBruin -- I challenge you to get a Utah certificate of live birth if you were born in California. Please take a few minutes and order one and then get back on here and tell us how it turns out.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 3:20 p.m.

    We need to get trump in here to suss out those pesky tax returns.

    Aug. 3, 2012 3:20 p.m.

    I think the real frustration for Romney is the ease with which Obama's team is able, with their media allies, to turn every single challenge into charges of pettiness, partisanship, kookiness, and even racism. From Reverend Wright to Tony Rezko to his birth certificate to his drug years to his college marxist leanings to his college transcripts to his horrible appointees to his crony capitalism to Fast and Furious to his significant flip flops and gaffes, no one dares challenge or vet Obama too deeply for fear of being labeled as kooks and racists.

    Only in Romney's most fairytale dreams would every challenge be similarly met with mockery and derision by the mainstream press as happens every day with Obama.

  • onceuponatime Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 3:19 p.m.

    Who needs proof when you can just tell a lie and let the MSM go with it? It's funny that Ried who has made millions as a Senator when they only make 140k or so per year. This is a desperate move that it makes him look even worse than normal. Who in Nevada is voting for this guy. They can't find any dirt on Romeny so they make it up. We should add the phrase Taxers to the truthers and birther movements. Taxers people who say that Romney is a tax cheat even though their is zero proof of it.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 3:16 p.m.

    @Ernest T. Bass

    Again, the prosecution always reveals his hand first, in this case the accuser Reid. Then the defendant reveals their information next. So in this case you say you believe Reid, and yet you haven't seen his evidence. That's a pretty mindless assumption on your part.

    I am a Romney supporter, I think that is obvious. And I too wish that he would just release them and dispell the rumors, but I don't know if he can, I have had no evidence either. I think he is telling the truth about his taxes, but I don't know. Reid on the other hand is accusing, so if you are going to accuse, show your hand to force the other to show theirs. Reid is making himself look stupid and childish. If he shows his source, his hand in other words, then the childish part flips to Mitt if he with holds information. Kind of like a previous comment of mine. Obama was and still is childish about his birth certificate. We still haven't seen it, seen the long form, but not the real thing. He is still being childish about it.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Aug. 3, 2012 3:09 p.m.

    First Obama tried to create the mythical "War on Women". That blew up in their faces when they attacked Ann Romney.
    Then they tried to besmirch Bain Capital as some kind of corporate raider. Even Bill Clinton said the Bain has a sterling record.
    Then they tried to say that Romney did not save the SLC Olympics. Salt Lake knows better.
    Now they are claiming the Romney is a tax cheat with zero evidence. Anyone could make the kind of claims that Harry Reid is making. In any court the burden of proof is on the accuser. Reid should put up or shut up. In any other arena this would be called either slander or libel.

    Obama has a long history of defeating opponents, Democrat or Republican by getting his serigots to open sealed documents and then attacking, merited or not.

    Romney should absolutely not disclose his tax records and help Obama with his opposition research.

    Can you name one single person who wants to pay more taxes than required by law?
    Anyone who pays more than they absolutely have to, failed an IQ test.

  • Glen in the Bronx Bronx, NY
    Aug. 3, 2012 3:08 p.m.

    @UtahBruin: Firts, Turn off the "journalists" at FOX "News!"

    Romeny HAS a proven record of tax avoidance. He claimed to be a RESIDENT of Utah for property tax purposes (thus getting the lower rate for the manse); while claiming publicly he was a RESIDENT of Massachusetts to support the ten year residency requirement to run for that state's governor, but yet he was also was paying NON RESIDENT income tax rates to Massachusetts. You cannot claim to be a resident and pay non resident taxes. In order to run for Massachusetts governor he had to refile all his tax returns and pay the back tax owed and the penalty to both Utah and Massachusetts. I am calling it "avoidance" to be charitable...there is also another word you could use, and that word is 'fraud."

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 3, 2012 2:46 p.m.

    sergio said:

    "Why shouldn't Romney be open and totally honest ..... " - you mean like your boy Obama??

    There is a sucker born every minute, isn't there?? Well, Mitt Romney isn't one.

    If you demand "transparency", then how about we start with certain documents Obama has kept hidden from the American public??

    Romney is a rich man - you jealous liberals will have to deal with it. If he wants to buy a horse (or anything else) with his own money, more power to him.

    Here's the real news:

    16 Trillion in debt, and rising. 8.3% unemployment and rising. Obama needs to go now.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 2:45 p.m.

    Where do I start...

    @Liberal Larry, Sergio...Not worth it.

    @louie - Romney should show his tax returns right after Obama shows a birth certificate. More to follow on this one.

    @Glen in the Bronx - You say Romney has a proven tax record of avoidance. It is tax code and there is no law against having off shore accounts, if in fact he does have them. So where is the proven record again.

    @atl134 - You know, you seem like a smart guy. But, if Reid is so confident, then he should reveal his source. No reason for Romney to release more tax records than necessary. I think everyone can see here that this is only a ploy to get ROmney to release more returns. If it wasn't then Harry could produce a source. There is no reason for him to be secret about it, he is the accuser. The accuser goes first, the defense is always last.

    @Fred44 - He didn't produce a birth certificate. Hawaii produced a certificate of live birth, they are two different forms. I can get a certificate of live birth from the state of Utah although I was born in California.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    If Romney disputes what Reid has said then release the tax returns and prove it to the world.
    The fact that he's not releasing the tax returns gives credence to Harry Reid.
    Personally, I believe Reid. If you've got nothing to hide, you don't hide anything.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    "Has the I.R.S found Mitt Romney Guilty of tax fraud? This is the only important question. "

    Disagree. Exposure and public awareness of the major ways to reduce tax burden that are perfectly legal raises important questions about the tax code. Additionally, we can figure out what sort of loopholes Romney is exploiting (his retirement fund for his kids is way above what would normally be considered the legal limit without exploiting some sort of presumably legal loophole). Also, we can figure out what sort of things his money has been put to use with in those offshore accounts and what sort of investments are made in the US. Romney says he has no control over a blind trust. That's a lie. In Massachusetts when running for Governor he noted that anyone can direct their blind trust to do or not do certain things.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 3, 2012 2:19 p.m.

    Romney keeps stating that he doesn't want to release his tax returns because they will just become fodder for the Liberals and Democrats and will be taken out of context and so on and so forth....

    Does he really think releasing them is going to lead to more rumors and speculation than not releasing them has?

    What could possibly be in them that can be used against him or misrepresented more than not releasing them?

    He has probably been audited by the IRS - especially after it was found when he was running for Governor that he had underpaid. If he had done anything illegal, it would have been caught and he would have been prosecuted.

    I firmly believe that he has broken no laws and has not done anything that every other rich person doesn't do.

    It has already been speculated that he has paid no taxes for several years (all legal and above board) or that he received more from Bain for a longer time period than he previously admitted to (again, all legal). What could possibly be in his tax returns worse than those speculations?

    Come on - seriously. Release the silly things already.

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    Aug. 3, 2012 2:09 p.m.

    Hey, Anything that diverts attention from the real issues of a terribly managed economy, lack of leadership and an eye-popping large increase in the deficit with no accountability. Anything that can be used to set of a barrage of baseless, dishonest personal attacks and to demonize Mr. Romney works for the democrats.

  • John20000 Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 2:00 p.m.

    Doesn't the IRS have access to his past tax returns? They audit past tax returns all the time.

  • CottageCheese SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 1:57 p.m.


    EXCELLENT Point. Reid's net worth has skyrocketed in the past few years. The rich are getting richer - especially those in D.C.

    Another point to make:

    There is tax EVASION and tax AVOIDANCE. Tax evasion is illegal. Tax avoidance is perfectly legal. Why would you want to pay more taxes than you have to? If you could avoid handing over your hard earned personal property to the government... wouldn't you?

    Who is dumber? Somebody who pays too much taxes or somebody who pays too little.

  • I-am-I South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 1:43 p.m.

    Lets cut past the horrible rhetoric of the current democratic majority leader, the president, and other long standing members of congress that have recently run against Mitt Romney. Ready? Has the I.R.S found Mitt Romney Guilty of tax fraud? This is the only important question. If he is guilty...well pay up. If not and we are angry that he has had significant tax benefits I believe the people to get angry at are the people that have been in office that have been in a situation where they could change the tax code-not Mitt (he only followed the law, which last I checked was legal in this country). So Mr. Reid. Has or has not Mitt Romney committed fraud? If he hasn't the blame is on you and the rest of your colleagues that have held long standing political offices. My bet is that he has done his taxes according to the law, And you Mr. Reid are running a rumor to destroy a man's honor that you totally aware is false. Who's the dishonest one now?

  • sergio Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 3, 2012 1:42 p.m.

    lost in DC

    Why shouldn't Romney be open and totally honest and then he would not need to worry about the Chicago cabal or anyone elese demanding disclosure. Romney is running for POTUS, how he has paid his fair share of taxes, or dodged it, is not baseless, it is germane to his fitness to represent all the American citizens who pay a honest tax. Most of us have to show our IRS returnes just to buy a house or get a business loan. Romney should have to show his IRS returns as candidate for president. We need to stand up for what is right and honest on all sides. Romney needs to release all his tax returns and be done with it.

  • Economist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 1:31 p.m.

    The Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Breitbart Crowd (triumphant) is making much-ado about nothing. For more than 4 years, the GOP Media Conglomerate has been overtly suggesting Terrorist First Bumps, Kenyan Birth, Stalinist Plots for our Children enrolling in Obama's child Army, and our Pres havning the Worst Harvard Grades ever - All of which are unsubstantiated, tacitly racist, and devoid of any rationale thought.

    So while the Tea Party-led Republicans basks in the filth of politics - wallowing in the muck and the mire, God Forbid should Harry Reid decide to step in the cesspool for a bit using the same corrupted Orwellian-style, fallacious logic the Tea Party-led GOP has been using against the Dems for YEARS!!!

    Yes, Harry's claims are baseless conjecture, but politicos have to admit that it's fun to watch the Right throw a collective hissyfit over it. Not buy the Selective Outrage, bro. Grow up...

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 3, 2012 1:28 p.m.

    Lost in DC,

    Bad example, Harry can't prove he is not cheating on his wife, but Mitt can release his tax returns and prove he is paying taxes. There is no legal obligation for Mitt to release 10 years of returns, but with this firestorm, wouldn't it be to his benefit to release them? The democrats and Mr. Reid would look really bad in this situation, unless there is something that he doesn't want America to see.

    Whether you like it or not, this is not going away until Mr. Romney releases his taxes, and yes in politics you are often guilty until proven innocent, and sometimes even when proven innocent (a certain Hawaii birth certificate) you are still guilty.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 1:18 p.m.

    @lost in DC
    Reid never accused Romney of doing anything illegal, merely asserting that the wealthy have creative ways (that are legal) to reduce their personal tax burden. At the same time Romney himself is also not showing evidence to back up his assertions that he "paid a lot of taxes".

  • Glen in the Bronx Bronx, NY
    Aug. 3, 2012 1:18 p.m.

    Who said that releasing only two years worth of tax returns was enough? What law says that? I don't think there is any law that says you have to release anything at all (and allow the voters to draw an inference). But realizing how important it is, even Romney's dad released 12 years.

    Remember, when Romney ran for Massachusetts governor the MA state tax returns showed that he woefully underpaid both his Massachusetts taxes (since he was claiming to be a resident in order to run) and his Utah property taxes, since he was claiming the manse as his primary residence. He had to pay back both in order to run.

    Romney has a proven history of tax obfuscation and avoidance, in this case his own actions justifiably lead one to think the worst until something otherwise is (easily) proven.

  • CottageCheese SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 1:17 p.m.

    Once again...

    Why are we overly concerned about what Romney does with HIS millions and not concerned about what Obama is doing with OUR Trillions.

    Reid is pathetic. Obama is pathetic. Politics are pathetic.

    Aug. 3, 2012 1:16 p.m.

    The tax returns i'd like to see are Harry Reid's, that's where the real story is!

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    Go ahead mitt show Harry he is wrong. A picture (his tax returns) are better than a thousand words.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 1:07 p.m.

    liberal larry, sergio,
    guilty until proven innocent? that's not a concept we accept in the US.

    What if I were to accuse harry of cheating on his wife? would he need to disprove that, or would the burden of proof be on me, the accuser?

    what other types of groundless accusations would partisan harry and the chicago cabal come up with next? give in to one baseless demand and that opens the door to even more baseless demands.

  • sergio Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 3, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    Romney is the one who needs to put up. If Romney has nothing to hide then he needs to show his tax returns and prove his point. The more the world sees of Romney the more difficult it becomes to trust or believe him. His whole approach of trying to defend himself by crying who told on me is shameful. Romney is looking more and more like Nixon with each passing day. He should get out while he can and save himself and his church from embarrasement.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    Aug. 3, 2012 12:39 p.m.

    Will you meanies leave poor Mitt alone! Just because he got a $77,000.00 tax CREDIT for his olympic horse Rafalca you shouldn't keep pestering him to release his tax records. This is just one more example of the vile, nasty, liberals using CLASS WARFARE to put do Mr. Romney. It is no one's business how many countries Mitt has used to shelter his mega-millions, and so what if there are years that he didn't pay ANY income tax, my Aunt Gladys didn't pay a cent in taxes for year. (of course she was in a wheel chair)

    I strongly urge Mitt to stay the course, and continue to withhold his federal tax returns!