Bill, you say the BOM is not a work of fiction. So prove it. Apparently the
censors are afraid of this challlange. I wonder why. But prove it, provide any
evidence that it is true. And, no, gut feelings don't count. But as I was saying before, this should be easy. After all, we are dealing
with a large, relatively advanced, society that exsisted for a thousand years,
they would have left ample physical evidence of their existence. .
You ask why do members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day-Saints get
upset when someone portrays the Book of Mormon for what it is a fictional book.
The problem is that it itsn't ficitonal. The individuals within the cover
of the Book of Mormon are just as real as I am standing here today. It also
wasn't written for yester year but for us today. It is another testament
of the Divinity of Jesus Christ as Lord, Savior and Redeemer of the World. It
is not bigger or better than the Bible but is on equal par with it. And as
Joseph Smith so stated, "a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its
precepts, than any other book".It has never been proven to be
anything other than what Joseph Smith has already stated. The Book of Mormon
proves without any doubt that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God, that the Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter Day-Saints is the only true and living Church of Jesus
Christ on the earth today.
Through out history man has always used story telling and fables to teach, train
and condition society to good conduct and avoid danger, etc. But grown up
educated people recognize it for what it is: fiction, ie: Santa Claus, etc. Then
how is it that some people in Utah parade fictitious story people down public
streets and demand that they be taken serious. It can not even be established
where the Book of Mormon was supposed to have taken place much less show one bit
of physical evidence of a thousand year history. The BOM may be a beautiful,
wonderful story, but it is not history, so why do Mormons get angry with people
who see it for what it is: a marvels work of fiction.********************
A very fun idea. What mormon mom and dad don't dream of having a faithful
son that serves valiantly and is miraculously preserved by the hand of God?
It's one of the great dreams we all hope for--that we're all part of
some great miracle. Ironically every young man marching, and every
spectator watching is just as important to God. We face different challenges and
some of us fall, but God wants us all. He loves us all. His mercy and grace
extends to all. And God hopes we'll all be just as faithful in seeking to
obtain them. One great way to obtain blessings for God, I've
found, is to daily study the Book of Mormon, and ponder its messsages as they
apply to me personally. Every day I get help in my life's direction from
God. May your cause be just and may you fight for the things that
@ xert- Funny!@ chaliceman- War is sometimes necessary to counter evil
and to defend one's freedom. Have you read the story in the Book of Mormon?
It's less about the war itself and more about young men having courage to
protect their parents, wise mothers who taught their sons to have integrity and
loyalty, and young men learning obedience and discipline. You've missed the
point if you think God was testing the faith of those young men and death was
the consequence of lack of faith. I've heard the story 50 times at least
and it's never come across that way to me. @ skeptic It was
three Nephites and yes- different story.
momofsix, why would you feel sorry for people that are not supportive and
positive in regards to the things your family does?I could care less
about what strangers think about what my family does, in fact I sure hope
strangers aren't taking much time worrying what my family does. Why is it
important to you what strangers think of your family? Oh, well. I
think skeptic and LDSareChristen had a good idea. It might be neat to make this
a regular event for kids to march in this parade, and then afterwards perform a
large scale charity event. The kids might really enjoy something like that. (And
yes I know that these kids perform charity events already, and good for them. So
relax)The story that this is based on seems interesting: 2000
untrained, inexperienced youth fighting a superior, professional force, and the
youth win and not even one is killed. Do I have it right? Cool.I
prefer the story of the knights of Rohan that hold off the hordes of Sauroman at
Helms deep, though. Maybe the kids could dress up like the Rohirrim next year.
These are the stripling warriors that just may save this nation. Imagine an
entire nation of stripling warriors, standing erect on our borders, spears
ablaze in the sun, saying to all who would seek to gain admittance, "Thou
shalt not pass." Manning our light rail cars and discouraging foul play
while spearing bits of litter with their pointy weapons. Policing our slums and
saying to those who would think to vote without paid for ID cards---"Vote ye
here? I think not, old woman. My temper is steady, but my spear is ever at the
Where in the company of the 2000 Stripling Warriors were the two Nephites, or is
that not the same story.
It is true that there are some who will take offense with these amazing boys.
Yes, some were bored, it was a very warm, muggy day. BUT they participated to
show their support. My boys weren't forced to march, they chose to march.
The Book of Mormon has many wonderful examples of people
who,"Did not doubt". This was the theme of this years parade. Only
those who read the Book of Mormon will understand the implications. I have found many kind people in every state my family has lived in who are
supportive and positive with regards to the things we do. I am sorry for those
who are not.
@Jim. More information on Kapyong please. Sounds like an interesting story.
I would love to have seen this and get the visual of just how many young men add
up to 2000+ We read the story and hear it referred to, until it seems almost
ordinary, but to see all the young men would bring it to life. How did Helaman
keep them all organized back then!? all that energy of the young. What a
blessing they must've been to the tiring troops.
It always seems ironic to me when stories are told about God sending young men
to war. War is so against Christian values and beliefs. What message are we
giving to these young men about Christian values and the nature of their God? Of
all the themes and stories found in Mormon scripture, why chose one encouraging
men to wear their battle gear, yell their battle cry and march in battle
formation? Can't we see that when we glorify warriors, reenact old battle
scenes and recall the glory of victory in war, we are supporting and promoting
war? Not just any war, but war in the name of religion, in the name of God.
Personally, I don't think God supports any war and would never stoop to the
level where He would use it as a test of our faith with death as our consequence
for not believing. An Allmighty, Omnisient, Loving God would never do that to
Skeptic: How much do you give to charity? When was the last time you served in
a soup kitchen? When did you go and help build a home for the less fortunate?
When did you actually serve someone just for the sake of helping them without
any regard for a reward or anything? If you can't answer these questions
then you have nothing on these youth or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day
Saints. Even Vanka has admitted in many of his posts that he has given fast
offerings and tithing to the LDS Church through his wife.Many youth
through out the LDS Church have helped paint or remodel homes, beautify lakes
and many other service projects through out their communities over the past few
months. They've done it because it was there for them today. Sure there
may have been some who murmured because it was hot or they could have been doing
something else but yet they still did it as a group. It was a group thing.
I've watched youth do many things just because and not just as members of
the LDS Church.
I watched a 7 minute video of the parade; It seemed to me more like 2200 Bored
RE: MrsH,I can relate to your getting chills at viewing your
Stripling Warriors. I remember the first time I viewed the Chinese army of
Terracotta warriors; I was amazed. I thought how could this be, and what were
they thinking, and did it come to pass that it served the indented purpose.
Excuse me, but I can not help but have some doubt. Perhaps all the lives and
labor that went into manufactoring the clay solidiers would have been better
spend building poor citizens homes and farms.
Yes, Red Corvette...proudly in Utah! The parade was in conjunction with Pioneer
Day, a holiday to celebrate LDS pioneers arriving in Utah. Since the 2000
stripling warriors is a well known and loved part of the Book of Mormon, why
should they not portray it for a parade centered on LDS history. Far more
inspiring than a whole lot of other groups portrayed in parades around the
country. And also, lest we forget, this holiday is one that the WHOLE state
benefits from, LDS or not. Thank you pioneers (and young stripling
warriors, ancient and modern!)
I believe the main point of the story of the Stripling warriors was the effect
mothers had on their children in teaching them to trust in the Lord. Now they never had fought, yet they did not fear death; and they did think
more upon the liberty of their fathers than they did upon their lives; yea, they
had been taught by their mothers, that if they did not doubt, God would deliver
Skeptic, that's right, because the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints NEVER does anything to help anybody, do they? (Sarcasm
button off)...seriously, this was such a cool idea. Seeing all these young
'warriors' just gives me chills! And great hope for the future!
The 2,000 srippling warriors of Helaman is a great story of faith and endurance
in the face of great odds. These were young men who faced overwhelming odds to
come out on top. Though many of the warriors suffered numerous wounds and loss
of blood, not one of the 2,000 warriors were killed. In fact, they held where
others faltered thus preserving their homeland, their religion and their
families lives.The battle of Kalyong of the Korean War was the most
noted for Australians and Canadians of the war. Against overwhelming odds and
against superior forces the Australians and Canadians held a vital road closed
to the Chinese thus allowing forces to retreat and regroup. They kept the
Chinese from over running the area and having a clear shot to the South Korean
Capital of Seoul. Their actions basically stopped the Chinese in their tracts
thus helping to bring about the armistice that is in effect today. Don't mock something you have no knowledge of.
how do people find this article to be controversial? a lot of whiners and people
that are negative towards anything LDS. get a life and do your own thing and do
something good instead of criticize.
@Jim, seriously?I'm trying to figure out anything that this
could represent that has any relevance to anything going on in the world today.
Are we insinuating that we should arm teenagers with spears to protect our
homes and families from the evils of the world? Just saying.
The 2000 Stripling Warriors weren't just a story, it was actuality, that
was repeated at Kapyong during the Korean War, just ask anyone from St George or
Cedar and the Surroundng area.
It's certainly not inspirational for Christian believers. It is a story.
How very inspirational to witness these great young men all together in one
purpose ... to remind us of the 2000 stripling warriors and their history. I
always love to read about the stripling warriors, and so too do these young men,
I am sure. They will never forget this wonderful day, and neither will those who
understand the BOM and what this signifies. I do so wish something like this had
been done when my own sons were growing up. Wonderful, wonderful day!
RE: skepticWhy don't you demand that of the OWS and other
liberal leftest protest groups,rather than leaving tons of garbage
and filth, vandalism and destruction in their wake?Make the world a
better place should be good for everybody. Not trying use good people and make
them into hypocrites or to satisfy some hate or skepticism
Dear Skeptic,They ARE awesome boys! My sons were among them. I happen to
know that they do A LOT of service every year ranging from "helping build a
home for a needy family" to "helping chop up trees in the community
after a devastating windstorm came through". In fact, they chopped, hauled,
cleaned up, more quickly than any government sponsored organization could have.
They donate many, many hours of community service each year. (And these are just
the boys, the men often do more.) Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-Day Saints donate many hours to various church and community
organizations every year, all over the world. We may not be perfect people but
many of us sure try to make the world a better place wherever we live.
Being a moral citizen is a good deed and is not one good deed that meets
someone's specific metric, but a life of good deeds. Perhaps that is a
foreign concept in Phoenix.
Wow, what a cool idea skeptic. On the same day as the parade, they could do a
couple flash mob appearances to clean up a park, or some other activity. Have
someone plan out what every pod will do. Show up on que with everything each pod
needs to do the job.... 30 minutes later all depart with a sparkling clean park
(or whatever else).
Impressive two thousand strong men, perhaps they could do modern day good deeds
like build a house for a poor family, or clean up a poor neighborhood, etc.