Judge rules for Microsoft in prolonged legal fight with Utah-based Novell

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  • Mukkake Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    J Thompson,

    Classifying intellectual property infringement as "theft" is actually a VERY modern practice, especially in the United States. Nowhere in the Bible, or Book of Mormon, is the concept of intellectual property as a right and possession even implied. The United States was even a massive violator of intellectual property rights throughout most of the 19th and early 20th centuries, especially of British intellectual property.

    Anti-trust laws are also an extremely new concept. The pre-20th century world is dominated by trade guilds, trade companies with monopolistic mandates, and other oligarchies. In fact, many of these had a religious mandate.

    Also, you keep saying "Microsoft" when you refer to divine judgement. Does God acknowledge the personhood of corporations like the United States Supreme Court does? Or are you implying that individuals will be judged for these businesses actions? If so, who? Only the Board of Directors, CEOs, COOs, VPs, etc.? Or middle-management as well? Or every employee?

    Show me the Bible or Book of Mormon passage that mandates competitive trade practices.

    And as far as "bearing false witness", prove it. Otherwise you're the one "bearing false witness".

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    July 17, 2012 9:22 a.m.

    I had close friends working on Word Perfect at the time. All through the development cycle of Word Perfect we were communicating about the shenanigans of Microsoft that were holding up their coding. I never thought it would come to a lawsuit and when it did I though for sure it would be a slam dunk. I can't believe Microsoft won out. Guess it's all in how good your attorneys are, and Microsoft has had lots of practice.

  • DistantThunder Vincentown, NJ
    July 17, 2012 7:02 a.m.

    Microsoft has always been known for it's lack of integrity.

  • AmPatriot Taylorsville, UT
    July 17, 2012 6:56 a.m.

    Not at all a travesty. The jury although hung does demonstrate the majority of opinion about this Utah based Novell scam. Utah is the scam capital of the world and it is standard operation procedures for business licensed in Utah. Novell's loses were attempted corporate sabotage to steal Microsoft codes.

    According to testimony, Novell was delaying and stalling Bill Gates and Microsoft to sabotage Microsoft donated codes and information to create it own codes and destroy the Microsoft corporation. Gates could see through the veil of deception Novell was doing so he pulled the plug and his codes from Novell.

    Microsoft had every right to protect its property from sabotage by Novell. Microsoft did do it better and why it has maintained its status as a better program for consumers and business. I also think Bill Gates and his Microsoft company did a lot to keep the cost of computer reasonable. Look at IBM Monopoly and its high cost company, Novell's intention was similar greedy monopoly.

    We should thank Bill Gates for stopping the real monopoly's from taking place. We need more businessmen who put consumers and users above greedy corporate profiteering.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    July 16, 2012 9:49 p.m.


    Did God say anything about stealing? Did He say something about bearing false witness? What we become is the result of a lifetime of "doing". What we "do" shapes our character. Yes, I do believe that there are eternal consequences, not for the accusation of cheating someone, but for the path that we chose to follow and the pains and hurt that we caused along the way.

    Look at history. Look at Microsoft's dealings with Tim Paterson, the real author of DOS. Look at Microsoft's dealings with Borland, with Novell, with Gary Kildall, with IBM and OS/2, with Apple. Look at virtually every name in software and see what happened when Microsoft offered them a "deal". The tracks are clear. What they "did" shows us their character. The judge who knows our intentions as well as our actions will take everything into account and then render a perfect judgement where all will be satisfied. A billion dollars will seem like chump change. (Do you remember the parable of Lazarus and the rich man?)

  • Mukkake Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2012 5:21 p.m.

    J Thompson:
    [There are other courts. When the final court rules, the penalty will be much stiffer than a mere billion dollars. Decisions have eternal consequences.]

    Are you seriously implying that God takes any interest in computer operating system business decisions?

    Eternal damnation for making Word boot quicker than WordPerfect... Will he punish Apple's executives for forcing people to use its horrible iTunes bloatware as well?

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    July 16, 2012 3:57 p.m.

    What a travesty. Perhaps the prosecution failed to prove its case, but anyone who has been in the computer business since the days of the Altair, as I have been, know exactly what Microsoft has done. One case in point. When DR-DOS was released, Microsoft purposefully wrote code to force users to buy MS-DOS if they wanted to us the first version of Windows. Novell won that suit, but all of us users, who had purchased the far superior DR-DOS didn't get a nickel.

    Those who used WordPerfect and Microsoft Word soon realized that Microsoft was playing games with the Windows operating system. They had "hooks" incorporated into Windows, making it appear that Word "booted" much quicker than WordPerfect. Most users also noted that those "non-existent" hooks gave much quicker response times for Word than for WordPerfect. Microsoft denied doing that, but anyone who has written operating system code knows that just because you say something, doesn't make their denial true.

    There are other courts. When the final court rules, the penalty will be much stiffer than a mere billion dollars. Decisions have eternal consequences.