Looking closely at LDS Church businesses, finances
Mormon 8:37 For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your
fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and
the needy, the sick and the afflicted.* 38 O ye pollutions, ye
hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, *why
have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the
name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless
happiness than that misery which never dies—because of the praise of the
world? 39 Why do ye adorn yourselves with that which hath no life,
and yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick and the
afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not?40 Yea, why do ye
build up your secret abominations to get gain, and cause that widows should
mourn before the Lord, and also orphans to mourn before the Lord, and also the
blood of their fathers and their husbands to cry unto the Lord from the ground,
for vengeance upon your heads?
In a conference held at Provo City, Utah Territory, in the year 1867, in the
bowery, on the northwest corner of the now Provo Commercial Bank block,
President Brigham Young, in the course of a sermon he was delivering to the
people, made the following prophecy: "Brethren, this Church will be led onto
the very brink of hell by the leaders of this people, then God will raise up the
one `Mighty and Strong' (Spoken of in the 85th Section of the Doctrine
& Covenants) to save and redeem this Church." The sending of this one
"Mighty and Strong" the Lord has purposed for the salvation of the
honest in heart among his people, and to be the initiative to bring about the
great blessing the Lord has in reserve to cause the poor, the lame, the deaf,
and the blind to rejoice. (Provo Bowery Conference; August 24th,
1867; “One Mighty and Strong” as “Thus Saith Men”
Published in the Deseret News in 1905 A. D. And in the Improvement Era in 1907
A. D. by The L. D. S. Church Authorities and “The One Mighty and
Strong” as “Thus Saith The Lord” taken from Holy Writ, etc.
[BX 8693 .C559 C547o, Americana Collection, L. Tom Perry Special Collections,
Harold B. Lee Library, Brigham Young University...
Doctrine and Covenants section 112:24 Behold, vengeance cometh
speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a
day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a
whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.*25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth,
saith the Lord;*26 First among those among you, saith the Lord, who
have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed
against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord.Doctrine and
Covenant section 64:37 Behold, I, the Lord, have made my church in
these last days like unto a judge sitting on a hill, or in a high place, to
judge the nations.38 For it shall come to pass that the inhabitants
of Zion shall judge all things pertaining to Zion.*39 And liars and
hypocrites shall be proved by them, *and they who are not apostles and prophets
shall be known.40 And even the bishop, who is a judge, and his
counselors, if they are not faithful in their stewardships shall be condemned,
and others shall be planted in their stead.
The Church is as guilty as anyone in using the media for their own porposes and
depending on your point of view, they distort things. They want to be the good
guys all the time and they also choose who will be the bad guys, such as gay
people and they will go to great lengths to portray that! So, when they get
portrayed as the bad guy, it isn't so much fun, is it. They dish it out
pretty good sometimes. Having said that, I think that the Church has done very
well in the financial area. They have a fantastic welfare system and think about
all the church buildings they maintain. They do a lot of good. I would just say
that they shouldn't use their resources for political gain. It isn't
right for them to get a tax exempt status when they are doing that. There is a
reason for separation ofstate and religion. I would say that I wish them well.
Hopefully they can continue to reach out and help a lot more people.They should
do an article to let people know about what they do accomplish.
I guess we are all guilty of this kind of thing once in a while. We are going to
give our point of view. The LDS Church does it also. Just ask any gay person
about it. They use the media, as much as anyone, to manipulate and lead people
into thinking what they want. Often, it is far from the truth. Then they fall
back on the right to religion and they act like they are being picked on. For
example: They speak of Eternal Families and sacred marriages, and at the same
time portray gay people as a threat to their families. They have portrayed us in
many ways,and attacked our lives and our integrity and put forth many ideas that
simply are not true.Despite imperfections, I do believe that they try to use
their money and resources to benefit members and others. I would say to leave it
alone. Their actions speak plenty. I think that we should say thanks. I,
personaly, have seen so much that they have done to help others. We dwell so
much on the negative, and in this case, the LDS Church has done so much good.
@Jac0mProvo, UTI wonder where LDSLiberal is on this board?3:12 p.m. July 17, 2012===========Not much to say ---
City Creek Mall is a HUGE disappointment to me as a Latter-Day
Saint.It symbolizes materialism and the excesses of extreme wealth
– not humanitarianism or Salvation.There used to be a Pioneer
cemetery on that very sight – To me, much more fitting to us as a
people than some materialistic mega-mall. Life – Death – the
Here-after, of the very same Pioneer’s who sacrificed, built and
established this Valley.However, I might add perception means
everything.I re-call back in the 1960’s when a prominent
Soviet official visited Salt Lake City.The only comment he made was
noticing the statue of Brigham Young on the corner of State and Main was
pointing at Zion 1st National Bank.I cry.I fear we are losing
the Eternal perspective, And the perception to the World is telling as to
where we are headed….
Now it starts again, the LDS Church is in the News. As a member I have heard and
seen this before, many times. From now till November many will want to know more
about the church and sadly some will fall away due to a weak Testamony of the
Lord Jesus Christ. I hope we can all endure this.
The Lord is in charge -- not Business Week
I wonder where LDSLiberal is on this board?
Why would the City Creek money have gone to charity?
Rick Edmonds says "I thought we were past ridiculing sacred images of other
faiths...I doubt the story is as out of whack as the cover..." Actually, the article turned out to be just as out of whack as the cover. The
author seems to have lifted directly from anti-Mormon sources, quoting their
manipulated, dishonest, numbers which are intentionally misleading (as
anti-Mormons tend to be). If Businessweek had goodwill rather than
malice they would honestly examine amounts of money, hours, etc, per capita,
donated to bettering lives. IF they did this they would find what others have,
that Mormons are among the most charitable of people in the world. Instead they
try to create ugly stereotypes by manipulating numbers and information- like
other anti-Mormons (their tactics include: leaving out major donations (fast
offerings, service hours, etc, etc), comparing a single fund to estimated
businesses, properties etc that we own etc, and count that as income, etc).
The LDS Church leaders are not thin skinned and almost never respond to
criticism. This was a very rare exception and is explained. The article is full
of inaccuracies. There is no fair minded and honest person out there who has
studied the subject who does not know that there was malicious intent behind
I agree with SuziQ.The money the Church receives from donations and
from its enterprises is mostly sent right back out for both the spiritual and
physical welfare of others. It pleases me that the leadership prudently invests
some for long-term security.Remember that Jesus in his mortal
ministry had a "purse" carried by his apostles, and that He blessed
others with both physical and spiritual healing.If anyone knows
where The Church of Jesus Christ spends money selfishly they are welcome to
speak up, but my long experience with scouting, welfare farms, canneries,
temples, the MTC, and as a ward clerk tells me it's a waste of time. I
love what the Church teaches about unselfishness and thrift, about sacrificing
anything that is needed to help others.We don't
"deserve" our riches any more than the poor deserve their poverty.
Let's not judge like that. Just show God our gratitude by passing it on.
Enjoy finding new ways to give and serve. Riches and talents make one happy
only when they're shared.When some criticize the Church, just
ask yourself if you, personally, are as prepared to face it as it is.
Some of this is just sensationalism to sell magazines--I remember the New Yorker
Cover depicting the Obama's as terrorists and black panthers. Caused a
furor and was all the talk for a few days. Some though is just prejudice. In
places where there are few Mormons all sorts of misconceptions and
contradictions are rife. Romney's decision to downplay his
faith doesn't help educate people. There is an article in The Atlantic by
Walter Kirn who was an LSD member for only a few years when a teenager but it is
a blistering criticism of the the casual ignorance he sees as rampant.
Perhaps it does not occur to others that the vast amount of money that is
collected and disseminated by the Mormon Church is not to make anyone rich but
is rather to pay for buildings (both construction and maintenance), help educate
its members (both religiously and secularly), and to provide for welfare and
self-suffiency of people all over the world. No one is filling their pockets
with the money because no one is paid in their callings. A constant of a 10%
donation is asked of each faithful member. If you want to give more, you need
to specify what program it is to go to: education of those in 3rd world
countries, missionary work, welfare, humanitarian aid, etc. I personally would
rather give my money to a charitable organization who knows how to help all of
mankind than to our government who seems inclined to waste and always need more
without really significantly improving the lot of my fellow man. I am tired of
the cynics thinking everyone is as self-centered and selfish as they are. Some
of us actually care about others and don't mind sharing what we have. We
are content with life.
I loved the article. Well done, Business Week.
The world is a Worldly Place, where business's will distort truth to make
the very same money that they "THINK" the church makes. Our church does
not make money in a business sense, we just support it as we should to provide
for the needs of the people that work for free and pay their own way if able, to
provide buildings, disaster relief and many other causes. But headlines that
tease and distort will earn the big bucks so anything goes. Shame on the board
who chose this cover and the story that was printed.
where's the story on the Qur'an which is a part of obama past?
it's okay to bash Mormons but are afraid to say anything about islam.
@Gr8Dane"And I certainly have had my share of disappointments in life,
but I would cast my lot with people of faith (no matter what religion) than the
humanist left anytime. They're selfish narcissists at the core."As if someone who is disparaging other peoples' beliefs isn't
narcissistic? Fact is New Hampshire has the lowest crime rate in America while
having the highest percentage of atheists. Second place in both categories is
Vermont. Third place in both categories is Maine. Coincidence? Actually yes it
sort of is, if you look at the 50 states as a whole there really isn't any
correlation between religiosity and crime rates. So this assertion that
humanists don't care? Seems more based on adherence to standards your own
group sets. Based on universal standards of law... they do just fine.@Utahbluedevil"From the article, it states that the new mall cost 3x
what the church has done in charitable giving over the last 25 years. It may be
a true stat. "It's 3x what the church has self-reported its
humanitarian aid contributions have been over the past 25 years. That
doesn't include all church based charitable giving however.
I am a faithful Latter-day Saint (one of those people who try to veer away from
the nickname, Mormon) who love the church deeply and dearly - I can't say
more of how much I revere church history and deem all of the sacred restoration
truths as pearl of great price to me.Having said that, I find the
cover amusing. I wish I can tell Mike (I used to know him pretty well, the
Purdys were my neighbors) that the reason for this cover is NOT to make fun of
the Saints or our religion or anything like that because it's obviously
caricature.Which also mean that these people who published this
magazine KNOW that Mormons (or LDS) are people with a good sense of humor.I am NOT offended by the story and feel very strongly that EVEN Joseph
Smith might find it humorous and may just walk away feeling that it was more of
a compliment than anything else.IN FACT, because this is so
obviously a caricature, it may even get people asking about what that is REALLY
all about. haha
On 06 April 1830,the Church was organized with but six members and the rest of
the world was not aware. The Lord's true Church was restored with a
"whisper". Today over 14 million have heard that whisper that very same
"still small voice", and concerning truth a modern day Apostle of the
Lord wrote: "In human affairs, erroneous and unchallenged assertions
sometimes assume an undeserved aura of truth. While a response to this
hopelessness may not create conviction in disbelievers, it can bolster believers
against the silent erosion of their own convictions." Elder Neal A. Maxwell
(Ensign, May 1983, p. 9.) As the "world" puts us under a microscope we
might remember... "persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may
assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly nobly,
and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime,
swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be
accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done" For me it is
enough to bow my head in silent prayer and reflect in my heart the hymn, "Be
still my soul".
Lawrence O'Donnell the ultra liberal firebrand on MSNBC started the
"mormon bashing" with his bigoted statement about Joseph Smith. Howard
Bryant again a very liberal columnist for ESPN next tried to tar the LDS church
with Penn State and Jerry Sandusky. Now we have Bloomburg's Business Week
doing the hatched job. I have lived in liberal land and expect much more trash
and bias as the political season heats up because the left is going to use smash
mouth tactics to destroy Mitt Romney and the Chicago group running Obama's
campaign will use extreme negativity to win.
For those calling for boycotting BusinessWeek and it's sponsors and
claiming how biased and hurtful the article was:1: The article was
full of facts and interview questions from legit sources. I don't believe
there were any 'lies' that weren't substantiated with some level
of evidence. And the church didn't dispute what they said ... they just
made sure the public knows it's a 'means to an end'. I
don't know how some businesses, such as the new mall, reach the end but
spin it any way you want.2: Nobody was complaining when
BusinessWeek published an article about Mormon's producing great business
leaders a few months back. In fact the DNews wrote about it, and the comments
were full of favorable posts. Seemed like a positive for Romney, right?3: For those calling BusinessWeek biased and slanted ... please re-read
DNews and open your eyes a bit. All writers and journalists are biased. If you
think for one second this paper doesn't push it's own agenda (A means
to an end ... as the Church stated about it's businesses including DNews),
then you have surrendered your conscious elsewhere.
Really folks... did you read the article. If you did, what was the distortion
they made? What numbers did they report that you would like to refute? Are you
really all so thin skinned that any review of the church that isn't glowing
make you jump to insulting the writer. If you have numbers to disavow what was
written, present them.The fact is the church - my church -
doesn't release any financial data. It did while my grandfather was
Prophet. That all changed with David O McKay. There is nothing illegal, or
wrong with not publishing the numbers... many faiths don't make an
accounting of their expenses and earnings. We have nothing to hide... Stop taking questions as insults. I highly doubt there is anything wrong with
our churches finances. But understand that those on the outside will raise
questions, as they should to every religion that acts as stewards of sacred
funds. We should all be diligent that funds are spent for the purpose that were
donated... to all faiths.
I thought Business Week was supposed to be a reputable magazine. This makes it
look like a cheap tabloid.
It is what would be expected from a radical Dem-Lib like Bloomberg who's
all-in for Obama, to the point of damaging Romney via the back-door through his
@Lifelong RepublicanRomney and the LDS church simply need to stop
apologizing for being wealthy..."we are an example of what happens when you
are obedient to the Lord and use his money for doing good" ----------I didn't know the GOAL of the LDS church was to
become wealthy. If it is then it is a for profit organization and thus should
not enjoy tax exempt status.As far as Romney all he has to do is
follow his fathers advice and release his last 12 years tax returns. Is he a
tax dodger with accounts he had in Bermuda, the Cayman Island, and Switzerland?
Isn't it the same demands made by Republicans during the primaries?
The sad consequence of Bloomberg's and Winter's bright yellow
journalism is that their credibility is gone. Forevermore, I'll question
the accuracy of ANYTHING they print, as will myriad others. "A lie is not
true simply because someone believes it to be true. Nor does a lie become truth
Bloomberg's cover illustration was a big blunder exposing themselves as
working for the Obama campaign. There can be no other explanation for such
insulting ridiculing bigotry.
For me, one of the most questionable entities the Church owns is Deseret News.
The position of the Church is political neutrality yet very clearly Deseret News
has staked out a conservative position, promoting Republican candidates etc.
I could understand the Church providing articles for a newspaper to
print, but that is different than owning the paper, pushing a conservative
agenda and claiming political neutrality.
It is a bit naive to think that after a religious organization invested in such
things as Prop 8 and City Creek Mall focused on wealthy elite shopping that
someone in the media wasn't going to point out the seeming discrepancies.
With regard for Missionary Work someone in the Church's Missionary
Department and someone in the Church's PR's Department should take
this article to heart. For the last three decades (well before Prop 8 and City
Creek Mall) I have listened to similar grumblings from well meaning Christians
that choose to send meager church funds to humanitarian causes rather than
fixing or expanding worn out church buildings, while watching the LDS Church
build new buildings on almost every block in Utah.This article while
being disproportionate, is a clear warning shot of the PR debacle that both Prop
8 and City Creek Mall have been. An astute organization would not whine with a
persecution complex about the article's unfairness, rather it would
actually address the fundamental problems that are at the foundation of the
RE: JM ,The great wealth of the Mormon Church is becoming very apparent. Neil
Morgan, “Business Esquire“, August 1962).The Mormon leaders might do
well to consider the which was made by Jesus” “My Kngdom is Not of
this world…(John 18:30). The Bible does not say anything about Jesus
trying to build a temporal kingdom or manage a large business, instead ,it says
that he had to place to lay his head.
Odd questions always arise from the lack of information. Honestly this would
all go away if there were just a little transparency into the churches finances.
I do find it odd that these are held behind a cloak of secrecy. I do not
believe for one second that there is anything going on with the churches
finances that could not withstand any level of inspection.So this
cloak of secrecy is odd to me, and largely unnecessary. From the article, it
states that the new mall cost 3x what the church has done in charitable giving
over the last 25 years. It may be a true stat. But I am pretty sure it
isn't an inclusive stat, nor representative.I don't want
the church boasting of its finances. I don't think we need to be comparing
religion to religion, particularly based on finances.But reality is
that secrecy breeds questions... and no one should be surprised that any lack of
transparency will foster harsh questions to be raised. The church should have
no issues responding to questions about its secular activities, as it should
have nothing to hide, and should hide nothing.
So many are calling for the church to be more transparent with it's money
and I agree with President Hinkley....this is the Church of Jesus Christ, it is
not a for profit business, It is the Lords property, the Lord's purse. The
only shareholder of the church is the Lord Himself....he is the only one who
"owns" the church and therefore the only one we as members have to
answer to when it comes to where church finances are spent.Non
members and detractors are always talking about how "rich" the church
is. The church is solvent because the Lords people are taught to get their
houses in order, stay out of debt, be financially responsible and give the Lord
what is His (tithing) to build up the Kingdom of God. Because of this the church
is blessed with much so it can do much good in the world.
The whole premise of the article; that churches somehow should not be involved
in any business dealings, is preposterous. We are no longer an agrarian based
economy. It costs money to build buildings, to buy land for them, to furnish
them, to keep utilites on, to publish curricula, to provide traditional
charity-based services... Churches have to (horrors!) have bank accounts to pay
for these things. They can't pay for them with chickens.The
"progressive" humanist left in this country are becoming increasingly
anti-religion (they always were). Humanism abounds. They will get worse, not
better in this regard as it's a race to the bottom.Common
decency and manners are out the window if you get in the path of their political
agenda. As Mitt Romney is finding out. As Christ said, "By their fruits ye
shall know them." Speaking as a lifelong member of the LDS
church, I'm not perfect. And I certainly have had my share of
disappointments in life, but I would cast my lot with people of faith (no matter
what religion) than the humanist left anytime. They're selfish narcissists
at the core.
I just finished reading the article in BusinessWeek. As an active Mormon I
didn't find it terribly unfair. Critical? Yes, but that is not a bad
thing. We should respond to criticism not with a knee-jerk defense, and allege
that the author must have it out for the Church. You can quibble with a few
things, but the heart of the article is an invitation for us to constantly
reevaluate the way we are conducting our affairs. We would be much better off
if we stopped to think about what is being said, what impression we are leaving
and whether there is another way. This kind of questioning is good and healthy,
and helps keep us honest. Many of the responses in these comments simply
exhibit a certain immaturity, as if someone had insulted your mother on the
playground. Let's buck up, take it for what it is, and move on. And maybe
we can improve as a result. The world is not out to get you, and BusinessWeek
is not an instrument of the Devil. Let us make sure we are conducting our
affairs in a manner that would make King Benjamin proud and move on.
It's obvious that this story is coming out to mock Mormons and make the
Church sound greedy...because of the 2012 presidential election. Team Obama and
its comrades, the Main Stream Media are doing all they can to "kill
Anti-Mormon predecessors drove us from our homes with cannons (and many were
killed by exposure). We settled where they hoped we wouldn’t be able to
grow food. The survival plan: pray, work, educate, etc, and see if God would
open windows in this great land that I love. We started the first
western University, and a newspaper, and what may be the world’s first
mall- ZCMI, etc. And, while others were digging for gold in the surrounding
mountains, Mormons made the desert blossom. We rebuilt the mall,
using only funds from businesses, and we still run America’s largest
private University, etc. And, in our effort to help people better themselves,
Mormons donate more of their time, money, etc, than almost any other group.
No one is getting rich off Church funds, but our blessings still
seem to offend anti-Mormons, who repeatedly demand that we report everything to
them. It’s none of their business what we do with our mall. The
openhearted people already know that Mormons are doing far more good than the
haters ever will… so the anti-Mormon is left only to dishonestly malign :
Given Romney's campaign and criticism of him, I'm not surprised at the
timing of the Bloomberg article. However, this is to be expected with the Church
being in the spotlight. It also provides a great missionary opportunity for
Once again proving that hate and extremism come from the left FAR more than the
The problem is that once it leaves your hands and is given to a member of the
Bishopric or Branch Presidency it is no longer your money. When the leadership
of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints stated from the beginning
that no tithing money was used in the building of the mall then we have no
reason to believe otherwise.It is no ones business how the tithing
money or other offerings/donations are used but those who are in authority to
use it. Every six months each ward, branch and stake goes through a very
thorough audit of its resources. What truthseeker and others don't
understand is that more individuals are excommunicated because of misuse of
funds that for any other reason.I trust the leadership of the LDS
Church because I know without any doubt that they have been called by the Lord
Jesus Christ to administer and minister the affairs of the Church. If you
don't believe it and you want an accounting schedule one with your Bishop.
Guaranteed he will tell you exactly or close to what I just said.This money belongs to the Lord.
@Red Headed StrangerIf I had my own church I would be more than happy to
let everyone know what me and Jesus were doing with their money.
There is NO honest journalism anymore !! Mabe they can next do a story about
Jerimiah Wright and other mega-church pastors that are now multi-millionares
from money taken from tithing.
This article just shows how utterly bigoted and pathetic those in the media are.
Anything that is attacked and vilified so vehemently deserves our attention.
If the left despise it with such hatred, it must be right. You go Mo’s!
I’m voting for Mitt no matter what the left dredges up…Mitt is right
for America and our Free Society!
Many people complain Businessweek got things wrong. On the other hand the church
doesnt talk much about anything on its finances even when asked, which is their
right. So that leaves a reporter on their own to try and get the best
information they can thus they might get some things wrong or appear to quote
critics to much but that is because they are the only ones talking. Sora a bit
of a quandary for the magazine. I think the question is a matter of
focus and mission statement not how much money the church has or how they got
it. An addition to my other post. Two billion for a mall at 5% interest a year
equals $100,000,000 a year. I do think you can build a purdy nice homeless
shelter for a million dollars. That means you could build 100 homeless shelters
a year in a 100 different cities year in and year out forever. Or build 50
and use the rest to fund them. Again the question is focus of efforts in a
world full of humatarian needs. Just saying.
The constant call for the LDS Church to release financial information usually
comes from critics and from those who do not pay tithing. Personally, I
don't believe that most of these people criticizing the Church for not
fully releasing this information will be satisfied. The transparency would lead
to uber-scrutiny by critics which could take up unnecessary time from Church
members or leaders to respond, and the critics would never be satisfied and
would only find more to criticize. It would be a win-lose situtation - win for
the critics and lose for the Church. Of course, that is what the critics want.
Don't think for a minute the Church leaders don't know this already.
I appreciate the supportive response of other religious leaders. It brings to
mind these words spoken by then-presidential candidate John F. Kennedy: "I
believe in an America . . . where religious liberty is so indivisible that an
act against one church is treated as an act against all."
JM,How do you know that tithing funds and other donations given by
LDS church members weren't used to build the mall in SLC?That
is the point about the need for the LDS church to be audited if it isn't
transparent. Its members are owed an accounting of their hard earned money
I think the cover of the magazine does illustrate an interesting irony. After
reading the article, I'm sure there are numerous inaccuracies. I encourage
the LDS church to release comprehensive information about their finances to
correct the misinformation in these articles. It is silly to tell a journalist
that you got it wrong without telling them what the accurate numbers actually
To E:re: "I'm wondering how many people who are
criticizing the magazine for its tasteless cover actually took a look at the
article. It wasn't perfect; my main criticism is that it narrowly defined
the charitable mission of the church. But it did attempt to be fair and
informative."There was no attempt to be fair or informative.
This was a hit job and character assasination of the church and it's
leaders. The author selected quotes to paint a picture that is neither accurate
or fair minded. The quotes used and the points made were an attempt to paint
the church and its leadership as materialistic money-mongers, and failed to
provide any balance with the MOST IMPORTANT points on how the church resources
are employed: to build chapels and temples, to support its vast missionary and
family history effort, to promote and support education, and to support the
family as the center of society.I am ashamed to have ever subscribed
to Business Weak. That was not journalism. It was a hit piece with a specific
@ Don OBusiness Week would never do an article like this on Islam
because it would result in the author, Editor and staff going into hiding for
the rest of their lives. A holy Jihad would be called for by the clerics and
some misguided person would follow through on it. The simplest
approach is to not buy the magazine, plus call for a boycott of all advertisers
in the issue. Create a backlash for the magazine and the next time, the Editors
will consider their ethics for financial reasons if nothing else.
I don't read Business Week but from the online reaction it looks like the
author and the editor hit a home run. Readership and profits are up. It is of
only minor concern that the story misrepresents and insults. That is a small
price to pay. Mormons are one of the last groups that it is still alright to
slander. I can't wait to see the followup piece. Journalism is a lot more
fun now that complete facts and objectivity are out of the way.
Please quit the whining. You want the Church to be on the front page, but only
under your conditions. Simply ask, "Was the information in the Business
Week article truthful?" If there are false statement, go after the
falsehood, but if it is just the fact that a bright light is shinning on the
Church's finances, - grow up! The Church is getting exactly what is created
by the limelight of American politics. As President Truman stated, "If you
can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
Latter-Day Saints are not as much concerned about the hurt that criticism does
to us personally. We are concerned that the since Church does good, that perhaps
agendas will be formed against the Church to hurt those charitable efforts and
people's lives, particularly those who are less fortunate. For example, the
anti-Mormon agenda that the Church is a profit-hungry corporation could lead to
taxing the Church which would hurt the Church's ability to help the
less-fortunate. Asking us to have "thicker skin" just avoids
the real issues.
@Blue"Did you actually _read_ the entire article? I did. It is
well-researched and respectful.The magazine cover got your
attention, sure, but the article itself is thorough and professionally
written."---------------The article used carefully
selected "sound bites" so to speak. Speculation was treated as fact, and
they didn't give hardly any credit to the Church's charity efforts as
a whole. They made it look like the Church is only a corporation
interested in massive profits. They didn't focus much on the people whose
lives are changed and helped through charitable efforts of the Church. If the agenda is to reinforce the idea that the Church isn't interested
in truly helping people, but is like a "fat cat" interested in massive
profits, then you might say the article was well-written.On the
other hand, active Latter-Day Saints spend a lot of time, money and effort truly
helping people who are less fortunate. Because of the disconnect between the
article's agenda, and this reality, I but would label it a propoganda
The haters (anti-Mormons, DN activists etc)don't tell people that we
Mormons were driven from our homes with cannons, and came to Utah, built the
worlds first mall, started a paper, etc, all in the name of survival. We have
done well, and that annoys some people. The mall needed a makeover, and it
wasn't done with donations, it was done with money made from our
businesses. The LDS Church is focused on doing good in the world,
and we are among the most charitable of people. So those who want to stir
misunderstandings tend to try to manipulate numbers to make it look like we are
all getting rich, but really, we seek to lead the world to Christ. And that annoys some people....... : )
@ terlds"To all those who say to us members, "Get a thicker
skin", what if this was against your church? Or your race? What would you
do. To me it is bigotry no matter what religion, race, ability. There is good
and bad in every person. Learn to love people for who they are, not for their
religion, race, beliefs, etc."I'm one of the "us
members" you refer to. And I'll tell you again...you better get
thicker skin because this is a mid-July attack...come the end of October this
will look like a pro-LDS...pro-Mitt article. Sorry to have to be the voice of
I'm wondering how many people who are criticizing the magazine for its
tasteless cover actually took a look at the article. It wasn't perfect; my
main criticism is that it narrowly defined the charitable mission of the church.
But it did attempt to be fair and informative.In my view, the best
way to handle criticism of the church's finances is to be as transparent
with them as most Christian denominations in this country are (the Catholics
being a notable exception). Instead of criticizing the speculation and answering
it with generalities, why not simply provide the information? Our secrecy only
gives the impression, rightly or wrongly, that we have something to hide.Look, I'm happy to pay tithing and support the church in other
ways. But if we're really doing the Lord's work, and I believe we are,
why not let the light shine on what we do?
terlds:“What if this was against your church?” If any
organization ever questioned my church’s finances, I could produce in a
day, weekly reporting of contributions as compared to our monthly and yearly
budgets. Monthly progress reports, bi-annual full disclosure church business
meeting where members and non-members are welcome to listen. (only members can
vote on the secret ballet). Want to know minutia, we were $7.00 over on our
postage budget, and several thousand over on out building and maintenance
budget. I as a participating member and giver can’t even imagine anything
less. Most Christians can’t…anything less than full disclosure,
well, is evil! To quote a favorite old conservative, in both theology and
finances “trust but verify”
I am sorely wanting to purchase the Bizness week Magazine to read the article on
the flight up to Salt Lake today. I remember the Arizona Republic did a Forensic
Financial Article on the the Church some 15 years ago. Gee, the last time I
checked. Temple Square was still there. People, lighten up! Prehaps the Church
needs to do a better job of telling it's Financial story. We are, after all
in the big league now.
terlds," Learn to love people for who they are, not for their
religion, race, beliefs, etc." Said the pot to the kettle.Try
being a non-mormon in Utah. Until then you will never understand. It seems those
with the biggest persecution complex are in turn the biggest persecutors.
To all those who say to us members, "Get a thicker skin", what if this
was against your church? Or your race? What would you do. To me it is bigotry no
matter what religion, race, ability. There is good and bad in every person.
Learn to love people for who they are, not for their religion, race, beliefs,
What is it with these people. You'd think that the people who work for
"Business Week" would be as anxious for Romney to be elected President
as the people who work at the Newsweeks and Time magazines want Obama to be
re-elected. I mean, can any clear thinking person who writes about American
business issues really think that the re-election of Obama is going to be good
for American business??? And let's face it, this seems to be an article
attempting to smear Romney by using his church. Otherwise it likely would not
have been written or published. P.S. If Obama gets re-elected, Business Week
will need to change their name to Socialist Week.
Hmmm. Maybe the government ought to try running it's business branches like
The church is fine in many respects. So why is there a persecution complex?
I like DonO's question.
pmccombs,Brilliant post. People can dismiss the article and
"anti-Mormon" as much as they want. But to me, as an active Mormon, this
stuff matters. The Church Newsroom came out with a statement, which said, in
part, "The key to understanding the Church is to see it not as a worldwide
corporation, but as millions of faithful members in thousands of congregations
across the world following Christ and caring for each other and their
neighbors." If this is truly the case, than we need to do a better job of
it. Not only are there Latter-day Saints starving to death throughout the world,
but our mission goes beyond helping only Latter-day Saints. I recommend reading
"Working Toward Zion: Principles of the United Order for the Modern
World" for those interested in the topic. In reality our Church should
neither be capitalist or socialist. Our economic order is the Law of
Consecration. Until we do better at living this law, the "world lieth in
sin" (Doctrine and Covenants 49:20).
** sigh **While I question the taste of the cover art, I thought the
Businessweek article itself was very well researched and fairly presented. The
Church was given the opportunity to participate and apparently did. I would
encourage anyone to read it and judge for themselves.While I'm
not LDS, I have had dealings with LDS businesses and they have nothing to
apologize for. They are well-run and have principled managers. I wish the
Church's Public Relations Department could be equally as well run. Instead
of using this as an opportunity to teach, they have chosen to give the usual
shrill angry response that suggests that religious bigotry is at the heart of
the article. This does not serve the Church well. Doing some research on Church
Businesses would.The Businessweek article references AgReserve, an
entity that I am familiar with. Does the Deseret News even know what they do?
They help farmers, most of whom are not LDS get better yields from their land.
This is about feeding the hungry for crying out loud. Go find out about them.
Tell that story. It will serve you better than the usual rant on religious
A person cannot be forced to join a church or to pay tithing or serve others.A person, if he lives in the US can be forced to pay taxes, or penalty
if you do not have health insurance.The only institution that
citizens of the US need fear is the government when it oversteps it's
bounds as outlined in the US constitution.
I care about where my tithing moneys went. We members of the church demand an
accounting and not the pat on the head and assurance that all funds are used
wisely.We will know the funds are used wisely when we see just how
much things cost.The LDS church should probably be audited.
The article brings up an interesting element in our society. Media has power.
The Church is very sensitive to possible misperceptions or misrepresentations
the article might convey to those who read it. No doubt this is one reason it
maintains ownership of DN. I think the gay community probably had similar
feelings during the Prop 8 campaign.
The cover picture is an unfortunate distraction because it taints the story and
diverts useful discussion from an important topic: Is it possible to serve God
by serving Mammon? Does the LDS Church, with its many business interests and
heavily business-credentialed hierarchy, "serve" mammon in order to
bless others? Is this what restored Christianity looks like in modern times? Why
or why not? I think that "outsiders" have a very particular
view of the LDS Church as a capitalist business franchise church. The Church
responds indignantly to articles like this one, but then doesn't proceed to
offer anything more substantial than a protest and various "trust us"
claims that all this secret money flying around is actually ideally beneficial
for God's children. Most people wouldn't deny that the Church and its
members are known for very visible charitable activities; but why the need (as
an example) for an Enron-esque investment firm in the offing?For
those looking to evaluate Truth claims, these things matter. The Church needs to
come down very clearly on what constitute just and godly economic practices, as
other Churches have done. Is God really a capitalist like His church?
Counter Intelligence @ 9:56Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!
Probably the most intelligent comment made so far. May I add a big AMEN!!!
If the church's finances are not transparent, the motives of the
Businessweek journalists are very transparent. People will see this for what it
is, a snarky attempt to "dis" Romney by "dissing" his church. No
harm, no foul.All you libs, go have a big gulp...oh, you can't,
right? Bloomberg wouldn't like it.
@Arm of Orion"I don't see how employing a bunch of people to
build and operate a mall could be anything but helping people"I
don't see how a bunch of people can say this spending by the church creates
jobs and helps people and the economy while saying the stimulus didn't
create jobs and hurt people and the economy.@patriot"This
is all to be expected and I think we are just getting started - Chicago style
politics... the worst of the worst of America. "As opposed to
Romney who fundraises with the most well-known birther in the nation? The
attacks on Obama's faith from conservatives who can't seem to figure
out if they want to call him a radical muslim, an atheist, or a black liberation
theologist? The blatant distortions and lies from death panels to Romney's
flipflops on everything from immigration to student loans to his own business
It's not just the church's business. It's all of Utah's
business. Do you ever wonder why our public schools are ranked the worst in the
country based upon per pupil funding? Think about how much money is given to
the church that is never taxed. For us people that don't pay tithing, we
are paying more to help the schools why you are helping build malls and temples.
For you that are claiming persecution, lets open the books and then have a
discussion. Yes, the church spent 1.5 billion to help the needy since 1985, but
they spent that and more on a mall. Couldn't that money be better spent on
homeless shelters instead of creating a few jobs for people selling $5,000
Hummmmm let's see. 2 billion for a mall. If you take that invest it at 5%
you get $100,000,000 a year. Let's say a starter home or habitat for
humanity home costs $125,000. That would be 800 homes a year divided by 52 weeks
you get over 15 homes a week, week in and week out forever fully paid for.
Let's say it's only 1 billion so we get 8 homes a week forever. Now
imagine what you could do overseas in poor countries. The problem is not the
church dosn't do good work it does,, is there a better use for 2 billion
dollars then a mall. A church has a different mission then to maximize profits.
When your only tool is a hammer, you assume everything is a nail. Apparently
BusinessWeek can't fathom that a large institution with significant
business holdings and competent leadership could apply these resources in a
thoroughly altruistic way -- there must be something sinister behind the curtain
at the Church. Those of us who have years of volunteer experience in the
Church's many forms of Christian outreach have seen what BusinessWeek has
failed/chosen not to understand about the motives of the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints.
@Esquire-"And for you who think the story is based in politics, get
real."Really...Does Business week explore the businesses of all
faith's on a continual basis outside of an election year? Why the sudden
interest in the LDS church? The church has been in existance know for 150 years
and we are now just finally exploring this faith out of the general
public's desire to know more? This piece would never have seen the light
of day if Mitt Romney were not a member of the LDS church, to say otherwise is a
This is tame compared to what will be coming as the election gets
closer...buckle up and get some thick skin!!
Funny how some people get so upset and others just laugh it off. I find the
cover to be stupidly funny, and anyone who reads the article and takes it
seriously, has major issues anyway.Just keep doing the good work,
and let the naysayers do what they do best.
For those that think that the Deseret News reports are biased, go to the
BusinessWeek page that the article is and see the 100s of comments that are
there. It is not just good people in Utah that see the bias in reporting in
this article and especially the gross disrespect of the cover. Good people can
see what is written in the article and others will read what is meant by the
article and not know that members of the Church of Jesus Christ and their
leaders are some of the good people of the world. The DN and their exceptional
staff have such a load on their plate to ensure we get the best news coverage
and pertains even to our local communities. The article is not written with
journalistic integrity and is meant to shown the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints in the opposite light that it is in everyday. Politics and
religion are blended into this article for a reason and it is not for
enlightenment of the people who read the BusinessWeek article. It is for
sensationalism and spreading non-truth that jeopardizes 150 years of doing what
is right and true.
And for you who think the story is based in politics, get real.
I just read the article. Other than the sensational cover, the article itself
seems pretty factual and straight-forward. I would be interested in a factual
rebuttal, not the emotional wringing of hands of defensiveness that seems to be
Having worked for the temple department for few years, I was deeply humbled at
how the General Authoriites treat tithing funds. They are considered sacred,
and are used very carefully. The church takes great care in allotting these
funds to care for specific needs. The article fails to separate the for-profit
entity with the non-profit, by lumping them both together and distorting
facts Ms. Winters has an axe to grind with her article, plain and simple.
Since the journalist community can not seem to find much dirt on Mitt Romney,
maybe they can invent some dirt on his religion....hmmmm?
BusinessWeek isn't just betting on their article by itself, they are
wanting the NBC, CBS, ABC, and Internet sites to be pushing their article in
every news hour today and for the next week. They don't care if their
message is not valid, they want the image in people's head that the Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints doesn't care for people. They want
the image of the FLDS and cults in people's minds and thoughts.
BusinessWeek didn't want the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to
have a positive image as that would portray Mitt Romney, the one they are really
attacking, as a good guy, since he has money he has earned. The magazine may
print something that it was not the intent to show the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints was doing something wrong with their money and their
member's money, but that will be too late. People's minds have
already been filled with this distasteful article, written for a political
purpose, not an information article on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints. It is the mustard seed awry.
I also think this cover is hilarious. It is meant to be a satire on the First
Vision and whether you like it or not, the Church is involved in secular
business endeavors. If you don't like the portrayal on the cover,
don't buy the magazine. Write letters to the publishers, etc. Please
include in those letters logical reasons for your discontent and not just that
it doesn't affect your impressions of the Church or it is an act worthy of
condemnation. IMO, some of the reasons to be upset are the misquoted members
and/or the fact that the Church encourages it's members to be financially
stable and prepared. The Church's investments are merely an attempt at
this. I personally don't think that a Church should be involved in real
estate, etc. but do see how this is simply an outward attempt at financial
stability and an attempt to provide for it's members and those around the
world. Whether the attempt is to line people's pockets is not something I
can comment on because I don't know. If I wrote in then I would request
the information supporting these statements.
@livinlarge,Its not the Church's fault that your under employed
sister spent $350 on a shopping spree. City Creek provides jobs at a time when
they are most needed. The Church, and the mall for that matter, cannot be blamed
for your sister not living within her means. It is her own fault.
Is anyone really surprised by this? We all knew with Mitt in the race the far
left would resort to their usual tactics of lies ,distortions and irreverence.
Some people will buy into it - most won't but the beat goes on regardless.
Desperate men do desperate things - my mission president used to say. He was
right. Obama and his army of trolls are getting desperate since every other
distortion they try blows up in their face like a hand grenade from Bain Capital
to off shore bank accounts to Mitt's dog riding on top of the car. This is
all to be expected and I think we are just getting started - Chicago style
politics... the worst of the worst of America. All we can do is state the truth
and decent people with common sense will understand... the rest will keep on
with the garbage in and garbage out stuff.
The LDS church is a big international tax exempt corporation business and it is
therefore open to suspect, examination and critical interpretation. The Mormon
religion is not synonymous with the church corporation that houses the religion.
Bloomberg and politics is the epitome of his news bias, even in this article
about one of the most benevolent churches through practice, in the world.
Religion and politics are used by many as needing to be separate, especially,
Presidential politics. However, the Chicago baron and his minions don't
see any problem with mixing and matching this kind of editorial comment in
Businessweek. The Church statement and substantial summary of the history,
philosophy and vision of LDS finances is explicit on what the Church does with
the various types of finances, voluntary and business, that it manages and
controls distributions, through legal and acceptable fiduciary practices for the
past, present and future plans. These people don't want people of
conviction in the world as those people can be run over by the politicians who
want bland and non-voters to let them gain control by non-participating. The
Church is active in humanitarian services throughout the world and members
donate time, energy, talents and money for such causes. The members are first
on the scene in many cases as they already have emergency plans for their
neighborhoods, where they live. Ask the people in Katrina, Joplin, etc.
To Californian #1 - It would appear the Business Week has already supported
their chosen candidate, wouldn't you think? Haven't read the story,
don't plan to, won't even look at the cover. I long ago, as a LDS,
chose my candidate and tuned out the media on either side. I have no interest
in being lied to more and more and more, and it is pretty obvious that is what
is happening. Any thinking American who can't see they are being
manipulated by the media is a poor excuse for a citizen. The media made the
decision to get Obama elected and that is just what they did. Americans knew
nothing about him and neither did the news media, but they went right ahead and
fed us what they had selected. As a Latter-day Saint, I completely trust the
church to handle my donations with respect and honesty. As Pres. Hinckley so
often said, the donations are a sacred trust and will be handled as such.
@Livinlarge I don't see how employing a bunch of people to build and
operate a mall could be anything but helping people.
@ Blue6:42 a.m. July 13, 2012"If the church was genuinely
transparent about its finances this would not be an issue."Agreed. If they have nothing to hide then why the Dick Cheney like secrecy?
Isn't religion about illumination?"The church has been
pedal-to-the-metal lately to present itself to the world in the most favorable
light possible. Their PR department has been operating at warp speed for at
least a year"In order to control the story they are furiously
trying to spin or even create the story.
"The lies on the cover and in the article are a direct affront to the LDS
church."Did you actually _read_ the entire article? I did. It
is well-researched and respectful.The magazine cover got your
attention, sure, but the article itself is thorough and professionally written.
A $1.2B spend on a merchandising mecca may not be the best way for a church to
attract attention and admirers during a lengthy and deep recession. My
"under-employed" sister called me for a loan to help pay her rent
because she just spent $350 on a shopping spree at City Creek. I referred her
to her church leader...
Full-on double rainbowI have heard it said that sunlight is a great
disinfectant. Why not be more transparent with the financials? Put the naysayers
in their place right?Bravo Full-on double rainbow. Please lead the
way. Please feel free to publish your name, your address, your phone number,
your gender, your financial records, your medical records, your educational
transcripts, your arrest record and your work history for public perusal. After
all, what do you have to hide?The thing is, I've learned
nothing the church does will satisfy critics. If we build a mall close to the
temple, then we don't care about the poor. If we don't, then we have
allowed a whole neighborhood where the church headquarters is located to fall
apart. If we baptize for the dead we are insensitive and antisemitic. If we
don't we are exclusionary and think everyone non mormon is going to
"heck". If we proselytize, then we are pushy. If we don't we are
secretive and insular. Etc., etc.We aren't going away. We are
helping Someone very important, and know-it-all critics aren't going to
make us stop.
This is pure and simple political assassination. Good will be seen as bad and
bad will be seen as good.....through eyes that have been deceived. This is how
radical liberalism works.
It's amazing that so called communication majors that can only achieve the
level of writing agenda driven drivel to try and sell magazines in a time their
industry is dying. You'd think they would be able to state that they have
visited the church, interviewd those who have received assistance, interview
volunteers, interview the finance part, state clearly what is for profit and
what is non-profit.Whatever happened to even a balanced article?
Journalists use to go and get both sides of the story, even if they leaned more
one way; at least they interviewed and did some research.Now they
just sit at home and google search whatever they need to satisfy the political
agenda that they want to represent. This is why the industry is dying. That is
why CNN is losing viewers, why the sltrib is dying, and why people distrust the
media even more than they distrust congress.
The angry responses to the cover may just be due to it hitting close to home.
Step back a moment and ask yourselves, "How does the LDS church come off to
outsiders?" When you do, you'll see it often does look like The Church
highly values and rewards financial success. It's one of the most
business-oriented churches in the world with (per member) holdings at record
highs. Does this mean The Church is not true? No, of course not. And, the
cover and the article linked to it do not go there.
The lies on the cover and in the article are a direct affront to the LDS church.
I hope church leaders will show some backbone for a change and challenge
Bloomberg and BusinessWeek in a court of law. The media need to pay directly
from their pocketbooks for these lies and misrepresentations.
With little or NO transparency, the Church shouldn't be surprised when
someone writes about it and they didn't like it. Why hide it if there is
nothing to hide? Because it would bring great criticism on the church.
I appreciate that Church finances are watched over carefully. At the local unit
level, there are at least twice-yearly audits to assure funds are spent and
accounted for precisely.The principle of self-reliance requires we
watch over and use our resources as best we can. That is wrong? Perhaps if more
practiced the same principle, poverty would recede.For those siding
with the anti-LDS, they shall have their reward.
Painfully obvious even to the most dense of persons that the so-called
"main-stream" media (does that exist anymore?) is in the tank for Barack
Obama, and many of the major news outlets are owned by large, conglomerates who
pay fealty to the liberal left. The White House sends out daily "talking
points" to editors and major politician supporters, just so they can all get
on the same page and use the same cooked-up buzz words and rhetoric.So when Romney poses a serious threat to "their boy," Obama, then
it's all hands on deck. Expect more smeary Mormon hit-pieces in the weeks
And print publications wonder why their subscriptions and readership are in
free-fall.This is a travesty that the Church should protest in the strongest of
terms. Can you imagine what would happen if this same rag charactured Islam or
the Jewish faith with the same irreverence and disregard for decency?
Romney and the LDS church simply need to stop apologizing for being wealthy.
The church does much good with its money and so does Romney. They need to come
out and say "we are an example of what happens when you are obedient to the
Lord and use his money for doing good" or something to that effect.The Dems want someone to apologize because they became wealthy?Why?
It is always interesting to see the hired, daily anti-Mormons dishonestly
maligning, but it is sad when a mainstream media source has to stoop to such
things to get their man re-elected. I'm an undecided voter, but, when I
see daily, that they have have nothing to offer this sort of thing, it only
turns me away from the dishonest haters, and to the light.. : ) According to many, LDS are among the most charitable of people, giving
billions of hours, dollars, and so on to all God's children in need.
Sometimes Mormons have been the single largest donors (more than aid concerts,
liberals, conservatives, etc.)More Americans are on government
welfare than ever before, but, not Mormons. Even Maher says there are no poor
Mormons. If he’s right it is astounding, and not just because he’s
never been right about Mormons before. Most Mormons live outside of the U.S.
but LDS are focus on education, job skills, and so on. Mormons have many
wonderful programs for those in need, they donate billions in time and money to
making and distributing food, but, more importantly, on keeping people from
I think the cover is hilarious. Come on Utah have a sense of humor. You still
get to go to bed at night knowing you belong to the one true church.
I think the transparency thing is funny. The church releases all the financial
information required of it by law. Why does the article then make it sound like
the church is hiding something? Nothing is hidden. If they don't like the
information required by law then they should take that problem up with the
financial regulatory bodies that make the laws not the church because the church
just supplies the information required of it by law. This is one of many
logical fallacies committed by this article, let alone one of the many
violations of the principles of good media.
Apparently it was decided long ago that religion is fair game, let us not forget
the scrutiny, criticism of Jeremiah Wright and the Trinity United Church of
Christ. Black Liberation Theology? Anybody remember? The controversy sparked
continuous media coverage, on both national media outlets and local sources.
More than 3,000 news stories had been written on the issue by early April.
Obama also was questioned about Wright in a debate. Ho hum.
It is an amazing coincidence that with the LDS Church having a history
stretching back more than a hundred years, that this week, of all possible
times, a mainstream media publication feels it necessary to probe into LDS
Church matters.I am certain that they will deny that it has anything
at all to do with trying to tarnish the image of a certain prominent member of
the LDS church, who just happens to have a business background. But, they will have successfully planted the seed, or nurtured one planted by
other scurrilous parties to leave the impression that LDS individuals, as well
as their church are not to be trusted.I wonder if the fish wrap that
published this bothered to check into the business practices, or any other
activities of Trinity United Church of Christ, attended for more than 20 years
by the other party's candidate. No, they did not.As Paul
Harvey used to say, "How do you unring a bell?" The media has been
pushing lie after lie after lie (to use an old Ted Kennedy phrase) about Romney,
and I am disgusted by their actions.LDS church business operations
are their business.
It was interesting to me how the article demonized the church for being smart
and industrious with its resources. I'm not sure why that would be
offensive. The dishonesty shown by the author's glaring
omission of all the charity distributed at the level of individual congregations
reveals an agenda other than simply providing information about the financial
status and dealings of the church. Someone reading the article who
knows nothing about the church might be led to think that there was some greedy
group of billionaires in the church hierarchy who were exploiting tithing
dollars to line their pockets. No individual, in or out of the church, is
getting rich from church tithes.
"Honi soit qui mali ponce." A phrase the haters of anything, especially
toward what others consider sacred. I don't care if the LDS
Church is loaded -- they have a long history of generously helping others and a
hugely positively (correctly) history of providing the welfare to members. Think
how much in taxes they save us. Again, shame to those who think
I don't like the idea of my religion's images portrayed in such a way
but BusinessWeek has a history of bad covers (look up the one for the
United/Continental merger). Interesting to note that the Church did not respond
to that but to the content of the story. The cover is merely there to sell
issues and won't mean anything to anyone typical, most will not know what
the image is.
Check out the info graphic on the article page-- Crosses? Once again ignorance
rears it's unprepared head
What an interesting time for such a hitpiece to show up, 4 months before the
election. It wasn't hard to figure it would be a hitpiece, when I saw who
was quoted early on.The statement from Mr. Eccles of the
Governor’s Office was elucidating, regardless of how one feels about this
"vast financial empire." He said, "They run their businesses like
businesses, no bones about it."Clearly, the author used that
quote to make the Church seem overly obsessed with the temporal and
materialistic.But what is so bad about running businesses like
businesses? Imagine a society where everyone ran their personal finances,
households, schools, companies, nonprofits, and other stewardships the way a
well-run business should be run. What if everyone made the best use of time,
money, and materials, cared for their human resources, created the best possible
product in the most efficient way, with the smallest possible impact on the
environment? What if everyone stayed within their means and out of debt. What if
GOVERNMENT did all that! (We may never know, because government never does).I will eagerly wait to see if Businessweek endorses a presidential
This article makes "fair and balanced" actually seem fair AND balanced.
They should rename their magazine "Business Weak". The tone of this
article and the quote selection where obviously supportive of the political
agenda of the writer and perhaps the editor, or some other influential person on
staff. It is sad that journalism has taken such an ugly turn toward the
"You can buy anything in this world for money."Silly devil,
you can't buy love. Even the beatles knew that.
You can buy anything in this world for money.
Keep ripping, cause my faith grows just stronger and stronger.The devils
Utah...Please quit pretending that the LDS Church and it's members did not
know this sort of thing would be happening. With Mitt Romney running for
President of the United States, each and every day is full of new information.
Some of it may not be of your liking.As numerous posters have advised
Mormons this past year, "Buckle up, it's going to be a rough ride".
I have heard it said that sunlight is a great disinfectant. Why not be more
transparent with the financials? Put the naysayers in their place right?
RIP journalistic integrity...
From disgruntled, former LDS persons with prominent mention, to selection of
quotes from Bishop McMullin to Sherri Dew made to put them and their beliefs and
attitudes in the worst possible light, to the mention of the ruby ring, to the
quote that was made to make President Monson sound as materialistic as possible,
to the complete lack of balance in the church's use of its resources, this
article was a political assassination of the church. It was unbalanced, unfair,
and driven by a one-sided agenda. Shame on business week for publishing this
trash and pretending it is news.