Is 'illegal immigrant' a slur now?

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    July 11, 2012 5:33 p.m.

    illegal is a status, and people here illegally have the status of being illegal.

    People come to help their economy, and that of the dishonest businessmen. The rest of us pay for it.

  • Vince here San Diego, CA
    July 11, 2012 11:53 a.m.

    I find it interesting that history books do not refer to European immigrants as 'illegal' but as Puritans, Pilgrims, and otherwise, other type of immigrants.

    Land and Law taken by force. Treaties broken by force, well into the 20th century because it is a matter of perspective, the law of the dominant.

    Into the 20th century, when terms begin, not as legal terms, lest we forget, but as matters of policy, a re-invention of labeling on the oppressed seems adequate.

    It is a hateful term.

    It is un-American to refer to people with such demeaning terms.

    No one is illegal. No one.

    These people come here to help the economy. To say otherwise denies the economic reality.

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    July 11, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    I have no problem with the term illegal immigrant. I don't see it as a slur or a loaded term.

    What I have a problem with is all the propaganda that circulates on the internet and the mob mentality that has gained so much traction.

    It wouldn't surprise me if there is increased violence toward Latinos but don't believe it has anything to do with the term.

  • NotBuyingIt MIDVALE, UT
    July 9, 2012 2:22 p.m.

    Why don't we call them "foreign criminals residing here illegally at the expense of American citizens, workers and taxpayers"? That is exactly what they are. And no other country on earth would put up with them for 5 minutes, much less actually REWARD them.

  • DougB Spanish Fork, UT
    July 9, 2012 2:18 p.m.

    RRB, The majority of my ancestors came over in the 1600's, mostly from England. Many were not on good terms with the nation they were fleeing for various reasons -- usually religious persecution or a need for better economic opportunity. It is not that we have run out of land or resources in this area since the 1600's or even the 1890's. What we have now is a system of government that declares unfettered, allegedly necessitated control over every inch of the land -- and a people that clamor for "entitlements" that are not properly funded, conceived, self-sustaining, or scalable.

    The same arguments for artificially limiting how many immigrate into our current system (and don't even get me started on the scapegoating and faulty logic that attempts to assert that immigrants "steal" jobs rather than creating them! If that were true we should have permanently closed the borders as part of our declaration of independence in 1776) ... at any rate, those same arguments are *precisely* the ones used in nations like China where forced limits on childbirth are tyrannically enforced. We need to re-think our socialist ponzi schemes - certainly - but limiting immigration won't solve that.

  • KD Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2012 1:42 p.m.

    If you're not here legally then what are you? If you are from another country, not a U.S. citizen and living here, then what are you? Get over the PC nonsense. If the, whatever they're called, want to become citizens through the legal process, I welcome them with open arms and I will call them Americans.

  • NotBuyingIt MIDVALE, UT
    July 9, 2012 12:15 p.m.

    Doug B- We have a path to "legal immigration" in this country which MILLIONS of people have successfully negotiated throughout the years. Personally, I am glad it is difficult for people to get in. If we made it easy, we would have even more uneducated, unskilled, desperately poor people to take care of at taxpayers expense. As if we didn't already have enough of our own.....

  • NotBuyingIt MIDVALE, UT
    July 9, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    "Illegal immigrant" is the correct term for those foreigners who have immigrated to this country ILLEGALLY, as compared to those foreigners who have immigrated here LEGALLY.

  • NotBuyingIt MIDVALE, UT
    July 9, 2012 11:16 a.m.

    For every "undocumented immigrant" there is one "unemployed American"......

  • SLC gal Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    Is "illegal" offensive? If the shoe fits..

    July 9, 2012 10:23 a.m.

    Entitlement to the point that people come here illegally, and demand citizenship? We are not living in 1890. Let's stop diverting the conversation, those that come before, came honestly, many needed papers to land at a port of entry to be processed. They had to apply for them in their old country. They were moral people that came to build this land on principles. They were not 11 million that came through the back door in the dark of night. Your excuses don't justify their actions.

    The last two times people demanded amnesty, we had reform in 1986, and 1996. Other than the amnesty(1986), nothing happened. We don't need reform, we need enforcement to give the young people in this country a chance, and let them inherit a decent country founded on morals, honesty and following our laws. We don't need 11 million teaching them that breaking the law is OK, and sometimes you get rewards.

    Half my family came here legally over the past 50 years (Mexico), legally, and not all at once. Illegal immigration is a slap in the face to legal immigrants. Stop making excuses, start preaching honesty.

  • DougB Spanish Fork, UT
    July 9, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    Wow, the xenophobia, hatred, and baseless sense of "entitlement" here is kinda shocking. While there are a small percentage of us whose family or ancestors came to this country under our current hypocritical and byzantine system, the vast majority of us came to America when they didn't check your current wealth, education levels, and ability to name drop at the gate. *That* was one of the primary foundations our nation. America was to be a land of freedom and opportunity, not a land of scapegoats and frightened, hypocritical, elitist whiners.

    Those that have found a way to comply with these new centrally-planned mandates that artificially limit who can migrate here "legally" -- but that support those restrictions -- remind me of the old timers wryly commenting that "Back in my day half of us simply up and died to childhood diseases and we *liked* it!"

    I strongly agree with the commenter that pointed out that *actions* can be illegal, not *people*. All you "illegal" drivers that dare cross a hair over 55 in construction zones ought to take note, lest we physically brand you with the designation for life.

    We need to simplify "legal" immigration and re-open it.

    July 8, 2012 10:09 p.m.

    Everyone deserve compassion, including citizens of this country.

    A person that comes here illegally for work is rewarded by allowing them to stay. It's amnesty for their illegal working. Going with I am I, those who support pro-illegal actions, need to start telling people to accept our laws and follow them.

  • I-am-I South Jordan, UT
    July 8, 2012 8:10 p.m.

    I don't think the country needs immigration reform. I the people on the outside just need to realize that there is system of due process that must take place in order for people to immigrate and our politicians need to enforce the established laws. We do this to ensure the safety of the Citizens of the Country because after all they are the people the politicians swore to protect, not the people on the outside. Yes we are all humans and deserve just and compassionate treatment, but when push comes to shove politicians should protect citizens not people who illegally cross borders.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 8, 2012 11:28 a.m.

    The excessive usage of the word "slur", is taking away our freedom of speech. Seems everything we say can be a slur.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    July 7, 2012 8:05 p.m.

    I prefer the term "illegal alien" to that of Harry Reid, who called them "Undocumented Americans" or Nancy Pelosi who referred to them as "Very Patriotic."
    No thanks. I get nauseous when they spin me around.

  • kargirl Sacramento, CA
    July 7, 2012 3:18 p.m.

    And if Native Americans had not given help to the illegal aliens that came here, but sent them back where they came from right away, where would everybody be who had other ancestry? Me, I wouldn't be here. You? Bet not, either. Most of you wouldn't be here, either. So think about that. And maybe if you do, you can then start thinking that most of the people who come here come for the same reasons our ancestor did. Get that? And children in arms, even older children, obey parents, same as children almost always do, and have since time began. Got that, too? So, who is so different from me or you, or those from whom we are descended? No one.

  • Brotherly Kindness SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 7, 2012 1:30 p.m.

    How can we have both mercy and justice?

    First, we call them "(alleged) alien trespassers". That is about as neutral and all encompassing as it gets.
    Next, we must have a nation-wide national Resident ID card that can be swiped to electronically verify them. These would be required for employment, banking, and all electronic (debit or credit) financial transactions $20 or larger.
    Amend the law to say that only children born in US to permanent legal residents may receive automatic citizenship.
    Any felony by non-permanent legal residents is immediate deportation (with family members, if desired).

    Make acts of violence motivated by hatred of alien trespassers a hate crime--stiffer punishments.
    Allow alien trespassers to register with the government to work legally and become probationary legal residents (non-voting), but the probationary residents' incomes are taxed at higher than the normal rate (I advocate 2x higher) for some length of time, say 5-10 years, as a reparation for having breaking the law, until the time is fulfilled and (if there are no felonies) they becomes permanent residents.
    They may apply for citizenship once permanent legal residents, but they are processed "from the back of the line".

  • trueblue87 Provo, UT
    July 7, 2012 1:19 p.m.

    "The poison is effective," he wrote. "Surely it's no coincidence that in 2010, hate crimes against Latinos made up 66 percent of the violence based on ethnicity, up from 45 percent in 2009." What the statistics don't show is how many of those crimes are Latino on Latino violence.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    July 7, 2012 11:01 a.m.

    Another accomplishment of the Robert's court,with intended consequences that were known and planned. The SCOTUS continues in its quest to remake the country into its image of compassion and humanity.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 7, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    I am sure the "humanistic approach" by those afflicted with political correctness obsession will soon be arguing for other euphemistic and non-judgmental terms:

    Drug dealer = unlicensed pharmacist
    Bank robbery = undocumented withdrawal
    Car thief = transportation redistribution specialist
    Rapist = amorous adventurer
    Newspaper thief = impoverished reader
    Murderer = expedited expirationalist
    Liar = one who misremembers facts

    Sadly, too many people lack the courage to speak the truth, for fear of "offending" someone, and thereby standards are diminished, and words become meaningless.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 7, 2012 2:47 a.m.

    @RichardB, you can't find it, because the Supreme court never used "undocumented immigrant" in their decision. They used eight or nine "illegal alien", and mostly alien.

    The original article is incorrect, and wasting our time with bad information.

    July 6, 2012 9:00 p.m.

    Janet, calling names, such as being moral superior judging others without knowing their immigration background, then condemning them for their anger?

    We have had comprehensive immigration reform in 1986, and 1996. They changed nothing. They helped business with their flex labor plan of bringing more people here. No enforcement came out of the laws.

    Maybe all we have left is our anger.

    My background? half my relatives came here from Mexico. They wouldn't come any other way. They stood in line, and realized that supply of labor is greater than our countries demand, you wait your turn, just like everything else.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    July 6, 2012 8:40 p.m.

    "Undocumented immigrant" is also inaccurate, as many who reside here intend to return, and would do so more readily if it were not so difficult to go back and forth for work.

    I prefer "undocumented resident." It is a kinder way of referring to those who would have been documented in the first place if we hadn't been so selfish and short-sighted in the first place. We, by not giving them the same privileges as our ancestors, are the first offenders.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    July 6, 2012 8:31 p.m.

    Can anyone point me to a copy of the Supreme court decision where it uses the words "undocumented immigrant". I have read three versions (sites) and not found it once?

    unauthorized alien 3 times, numerous use of alien, twice it uses illegal alien
    with deportable alien, and removable alien used twice.

    Are sites removing the " undocumented" or was the story made up by Mr. Charles Garcia? DN, please let them post a link to the decision.

  • Janet Ontario, OR
    July 6, 2012 7:36 p.m.

    I am continually amazed by the attitude of moral superiority of those who don't have the slightest grasp of immigration laws or the experiences of immigrants -- documented or undocumented. We need well-thought-out, sane, compassionate, and reasonable immigration reform. There are ways for mercy and justice to collaborate, but not as long as we'd rather yell than talk and not as long as hate, resentment, and pride trump humility and civility in the public discourse. When you talk about illegal immigration, do you feel that anger tightening your chest and welling up in your throat? I don't care where you stand on the debate, that anger isn't righteous. And lest you think I think I'm better than you are -- I have had to remind myself about that a hundred times.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    July 6, 2012 7:09 p.m.

    Murderer - One who murders
    Rapist - One that Rapes
    Drug Dealer - One that deals in drugs
    Addict - One that has an addiction.
    Speeder - One who speeds
    Thief - One that steals
    Illegal Immigrant - One that immigrates illegally

    I am an admitted speeder. I have no issues with someone calling me a speeder. The truth sometimes hurts.

  • dogchow1 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 6, 2012 6:41 p.m.

    If you can change the terms, you can change the perceptions. Words mean things.
    There are different terms for different ways the law can be broken. The person breaking the speed limit law is a speeder and is breaking a legal law.
    The burglar who breaks into your home is doing it illegally.
    There are other terms for different lawbreakers, such as tax evaders, etc.
    The alien who breaks the law by coming into this country through legal channels did not just forget his papers, he is intending to be here illegally and by definition is an illegal alien, period.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    July 6, 2012 5:31 p.m.

    Orwellian doublespeak. Trying to divert the discussion from the illegal acts they commit, and make us focus on word games.

  • LVIS Salt Lake City, UT
    July 6, 2012 5:25 p.m.

    Oh, good grief. Maybe--MAYBE--you can make a case that the term is inaccurate legally. But, a slur? Seriously? I can think of a lot of terms for groups of people that would be called slurs, but not the expression of status that covers those from ANY country that broke laws to get here.

  • Newbie South Jordan, UT
    July 6, 2012 4:42 p.m.

    Can we trade some of these politicians, arguing over such idiotic things, for some of the hardworking people trying to immigrate here leagally?

    "Undocumented" leads one to believe that they can cross over illegally and become documented later. Call it what it is -- an unfair advantage for those cheating in a broken system.

  • a bit of reality Shawnee Mission, KS
    July 6, 2012 4:38 p.m.

    The Supreme Court got it right. Actions can be either legal or illegal. People themselves shouldn't be catagorized that way.

    If somebody hasn't paid their income taxes in a couple of years, they aren't an illegal tax payer. They are simply somebody who is behind on their tax payments. If somebody drives 65 in a 55 they aren't an illegal driver. They're just somebody who is driving above the legal speed limit.

    Likewise, If somebody overstays their visa or enters the country without obtaining one, they aren't illegal human beings. They are people without proper documentation.

  • River Dog Salt Lake City, UT
    July 6, 2012 4:35 p.m.

    Why have laws anymore? This is just anther step to open borders that many people want. An actual war isn't needed to destroy a nation, it can be destroyed from within, and in this case, by a flood of "illegal" aliens from many countries and even those countries that want to see the U.S. destroyed. How many other countries tolerate an influx of "illegals" like the United States? Can't think of any at the moment. Many presidents and congresses have ignored this problems for decades. President Obama sidestepped congress and recently issued his own decree for younger aliens to have a pathway to remain in this country. The Supreme Court acts on its own and congress has been neutered. Can't see much hope ahead for us.

  • a900rr St. George, UT
    July 6, 2012 4:33 p.m.

    Maybe they should be labeled Alleged Illegal Immigrants until some court affirm their 'illegalness'. There can be many undocumented immigrants, and even then, that could be taken as some racial slur. Geeez....PC is going too far!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 6, 2012 4:30 p.m.

    Ideally (since people aren't illegal how the article mentioned it) it'd be something like "illegally immigrating immigrant" but that's just messy (albeit more accurate).

  • BigDave Murray, UT
    July 6, 2012 4:14 p.m.

    Criminal Invaders?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 6, 2012 4:01 p.m.

    a rose by any other name....

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    July 6, 2012 3:58 p.m.

    Drugs that are banned are illegal.
    Laws that are broken are illegal.
    Hitting a mailbox with a bat is illegal.
    A person who has no citizenship yet lives here is illegal.

    Illegal is a pretty easy term to define. This is another attempt by the left to divide and turn something into racism.

  • BigD Salt Lake City, UT
    July 6, 2012 3:39 p.m.

    What a joke! Call a spade a spade. "Humanistic approach"? What about the poeple trying to do it right and wait their turn? So humanistic!

  • I-am-I South Jordan, UT
    July 6, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    I'm not sorry if accuracy, being matter-of-fact, or/and honesty are offensive to you. If you immigrate by means other than what the established laws require you have done so illegally. When did the United States government make it a priority to protect non-citizens (particularly those that are, undocumented-which isn't necessarily an accurate term-)over citizens at the expense of the citizens?

    I'm with Emophiliac on this one.

  • chiefbrady Draper, UT
    July 6, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    It's not Illegal Immigrant. It should be Illegal Alien. Immigrants come here with the intention of becoming citizens. Aliens have no such intent. Alien is defined by Webster's as: a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization. And immigrant is defined as: a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence. Nowhere in that definition of immigrant does it mention becoming a citizen!

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    July 6, 2012 3:15 p.m.

    The term is accurate. The people in question are not legally in the US and they are not citizens. Thus, they are both here illegally and they are aliens.

    How about a story about how their presence and support for that presence is offensive to citizens?