Herbert says special session possible to 'fix' gun laws

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 7, 2012 2:14 p.m.

    The second amendment provides you with the right to bear arms, not to target where, when and at what you choose. These potential "fixes" have nothing to do with the second amendment. There are already many restrictions on when and where you can use your firearms, this is simply an attempt to help some gun owners exhibit a little bit more common sense.

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    June 29, 2012 8:58 p.m.

    The deliberate discussion of 2nd Amendment rights when it comes to target shooting and the wild fires occurring in our State is a great opening to understanding what the Framers of our Constitution intended when they passed this Amendment. The U.S. Supreme Court has held that individuals hold a fundamental right to carry and bear arms so that the burden of proof to restricting such use falls back onto government. Unless the State of Utah can demonstrate that (1) there is a direct and consistent tie between the use of target shooting and wildfires and (2) that all practicable alternatives have been undertaken, including increasing mandatory criminal penalties and enforcement for being responsible for starting wildfires, the State may have a legal challenge, and a temporary injunction, and a court ruling any such legal restriction is unconstitutional even as the fires burn and property destroyed and people die, that is the sacrifice that unfortunately Americans sometimes must pay for freedom and liberty upon which our U.S. Constitution was founded. Of course, from a political stand point Gov. Herbert really has nothing to really lose in calling for a Special Session.

  • Shimlau SAINT GEORGE, UT
    June 29, 2012 1:38 p.m.

    Utah_1: What I've found is that common sense is not all that common!

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 29, 2012 8:08 a.m.

    The fire at Saratoga Springs/Eagle Mountain was started by target shooters. What we don't know for sure is what they were shooting near the dump. I heard it was exploding targets. That was what caused the one at the Little Cove Fire.

    Last year Utah Legislature voted for the new "cake" fireworks because they go up hot but come down cool. They have a stable base so they don't fall over. They were backed by several fire marshals.

    Last year we had fires started by illegal fireworks. One in Ogden started a bush fire and one in South Jordan took out a garage and burned two people. The fire for Red Butte canyon was a campfire.

    So the question: Why do people in Utah still buy and use the illegal fireworks?

    Don't blame the new "cake" fireworks. I am not aware of any caused by them.

    This year the legislature decreased the time fireworks could be used, to save dog owners and people working nights some grief. People were not to be setting them off at 3am based on local noise ordinances, but that wasn't enough, so the hours of use were added.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    June 29, 2012 4:08 a.m.

    This is too much gun control that can grossly be abused. The Governor is overreacting to the fire situation this year making unfounded assumptions that target shooters started any of these fires. It is well known that wildfires are a natural event and always a risk when people are present for any reason including target shooting.

    Most likely all these fires were not caused by target shooters and there is no proof or evidence that target shooters were even in the areas. And its foolish for him to think that people out of doors in the wilderness are wealthy enough to pay for wildfires and the risks that people pose to camping and fishing in this state. Even a bicyclist can cause a grass fire if the chain and sprocket should spark once or thousands or times per wheel revolution. Wildfires is an inherent risk states must be prepared to accept as their responsibility or it will drive off tourist and financial losses to the state.

    Self defense and self protections cannot have any boundaries or limits placed on it regardless of location or circumstances. This kind of legislation could encompass any flammable location such as homes.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 29, 2012 1:18 a.m.

    Law? Try the Utah Constitution:

    Article I, Section 6. [Right to bear arms.]
    The individual right of the people to keep and bear arms for security and defense of self, family, others, property, or the state, as well as for other lawful purposes shall not be infringed; but nothing herein shall prevent the Legislature from defining the lawful use of arms.

    Target shooting with traditional copper/lead bullets doesn't spark.
    Shooting exploding targets or non-traditional rounds do spark.
    Shooting old TV's during a fire danger is just plain dumb.

    Again, Do we really need more laws, or just more common sense?