Poll results: Utahns welcome diversity but perceptions don't always match reality

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  • jskains Orem, UT
    June 26, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    I don't know. When I go into the Wells Fargo in Orem's Center Street, and I feel like I am back in Southern California, it bothers me. It's not as easy as bigotry, it's about protecting our way of life without the quality of the community being driven to 3rd world standards. Take a tour of many of San Diego's areas, and you'll see what happens. It's not good.

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    June 25, 2012 11:42 p.m.

    Why are we still debating the Mexican issue? The biggest story on the immigration front is that Asians surpassed Hispanics as the largest group on immigrants in 2010. BTW almost all Asian immigrants enter the US legally because the border between China and California is 2000 miles wide and a mile deep. They are taking high paying jobs because America can't educate enough of it's children to meet the demand.

    The Mexican issue will take care of itself. Most 2nd generation Mexicans I have known and grew up with are extremely successful. People should be less worried about the welfare these people are receiving and more concerned with preparing their children to compete with these highly motivated individuals in the work force.

    I was particularly amused at the quote:

    "it really bothers me when I pick up something at the store and it's in a different language, because I feel like when we're her in the United States I feel like things should be in english".

    Come on, its 2012. The world is changing by leaps and bounds. What people need to realize is that if they don't change, they'll join the dinosaurs.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    June 25, 2012 8:22 p.m.

    We try to guard our "borders" by fighting wars in Afghanistan and the United States when the real "border war" should be taking place in the Southwest United States. What is the National Guard up to? Why don't we send them to the border? That is where the real war needs to be fought. We have enough resources to enforce immigrating legally, why don't we put them to use?

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    June 25, 2012 4:52 p.m.

    I guess if you print lies, people are supposed to believe them. I don't know where they get these polls but it is comical. So is the fact that Burbank, the Chief of Police says are crime is low? I guess we don't watch the news either or see that drugs run rampant in Utah, Cartel Operate in Utah and we are being warned not to use our own mountains for fear of being shot by the Cartel. I don't thin this article fools anyone.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    June 25, 2012 2:58 p.m.

    Miss Molli has it right on the money.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    June 25, 2012 12:29 p.m.

    This is actual news. More non-whites are pouring into Utah .... this is a big deal for them.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 25, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    It's Monday, so another pro-amnesty advocacy piece in the "news" paper, instead of actual news.

    "Diversity" is a meaningless term invented by liberals to allow them to pursue racism on behalf of minorities, probably to atone for their self-inflicted "white guilt." The imaginary "benefits" of diversity are couched in feel-good terms that no fair minded person could object to, but are unmeasurable fluff. Actual harm from "diversity" is ignored, but the crime and fiscal costs are real factors that cannot be hidden.

    Utah, Utahns, and Americans have always welcomed immigrants who come here legally and are eager to be assimilated into the uniquely American culture. However, the diversity fetish inhibits that beneficial process and insists on retaining language, culture, values and attitudes of "the old country" to the exclusion of American counterparts. This Balkanization of American society destroys the opportunity for immigrants to advance as part of the larger population, and is used by liberals to keep them down on the "welfare plantation" and dependent on government handouts, and thus reliable Democrat voters.

    Please get back to reporting actual news. If anyone wants liberal activist propaganda, another "news" source in Salt Lake excels at that.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 25, 2012 11:32 a.m.

    I should be shocked at the bigotry I read on this comment board -- but alas, it only goes to prove the facts and data presented in this DN article to an exact tee!

    People SAY they are tolerant and diverse, but by their comments and actions witnessed here, it's obvious they are not.

    Score 1 for the data, 0 for the bigots.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    June 25, 2012 11:05 a.m.

    One major inconsistency in this article--illegal immigration IS a crime--the crime statistics presented in this article are intentionally misleading. Also, identity theft is on the rise in Utah, especially thanks to illegal immigration. Is driving without insurance a crime? How about deserting the scene of an automobile accident? I believe these rates are also increasing, but those are inconvenient to discuss if you're trying to make a pre-determined point about diversity.

  • gramma b Orem, UT
    June 25, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    This article puts me in mind of the old saying, "There are lies, darn lies, and statistics." Someone should ask Burbank about the percentage of crimes coming out of the immigrant community, as compared to their percentage of the population. That is where you would get at the truth of the matter, not in the misleading statistics he cites. After having sat in court during a few arraignment sessions, and judging by who has come into my neighborhood recently to commit crimes, I would suspect that commission of crime per capita amongst the immigrants is relatively high.

    And, this business about the supposed "benefits" of "diversity" can't be quantified or proven objectively because it just isn't true, at least not in any way that matters to the culture that is being "diversified." It puts me in mind of the Orwellian mantra, "War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength." It is propaganda fed to Westerners so they will submit to the dissolution of their cultures. There is nothing wrong with immigration, so long as it is accompanied by assimilation. Multiculturalism doesn't work, except to cause all cultures to become more like the Third World.

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2012 10:28 a.m.

    gramma b
    Orem, UT
    Interesting that the picture accompanying the article has people getting free medical service. I don't want people coming to Utah who can't support themselves, and end up getting benefits I am forced to pay for, I don't care what color their skin or how "diverse" they are.

    Do a little research and you will find that the Central City Community Health Center is not a free clinic. It is a nonprofit, and provides affordable health care, not free health care. They serve people of all backgrounds. While I am sure they do get some funding from govt. sources, I doubt that you contribute any noticeable amount to it through taxes that you personally pay.

  • Captain Kirk Lehi, UT
    June 25, 2012 10:08 a.m.

    I don't think diversity should be a goal. I believe in the melting pot.
    I welcome people of all races and nationality but I would like them to melt into our society.
    For example, if you come here and form communities that don't speak English then it is not diversity it is divisiveness. While you can argue that diversity can add to a society, I don't believe that divisiveness does any good. I also believe that diversity will happen naturally over time.

    This is a difficult situation. You want the rule of law to be followed and you don't want to encourage and reward illegal activity ... But ... having millions of illegal people in our country creates an underclass. It has to be dealt with in a way that will create a positive effect on our society. Leaving people in an underclass is not right and is not beneficial to society. I also don't want to live in a police state where people are hunted down. We need a way to remove their ability to function here illegally and streamline a way to legality. Three is nothing wrong with having more productive people here.

  • gramma b Orem, UT
    June 25, 2012 10:08 a.m.

    Interesting that the picture accompanying the article has people getting free medical service. I don't want people coming to Utah who can't support themselves, and end up getting benefits I am forced to pay for, I don't care what color their skin or how "diverse" they are.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    June 25, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    The Deseret News is commonly known to be soft on illegal immigration due to the often one sided nature of it's articles on the subject. Every week there are articles about the hardships on families here illegally when immigration laws are enforced. There are almost never any articles concerning the victims of illegal immigration... such as those who have had their identity stolen and the huge amounts of time and money it costs to correct those problems. It distinctly seems one-sided. As such, it's difficult to put much credence in this article. It somehow feels biased the way previous illegal immigration articles usually appear.
    The SLC police chief is also known for his bias in this issue... along with the DN. His pro-illegal immigration quote is repeated on each page. Yet, he offers no numbers or statistics to back his claims. He doesn't even consider the possibility that crime could be going down for other factors, in spite of the growth of immigration. The DN doesn't explore the possibility, either. An attempt at more balanced reporting would help to make The Deseret News seem more objective than it now does to many readers.

  • Ms Molli Bountiful, Utah
    June 25, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    Utahans welcome diversity? What a joke! Yes, you do hear a bunch of hot air when many Utahans are talking the talk, but when it comes down to it, its more of a "not in my neighborhood" or "not in my City" attitude.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    June 25, 2012 8:45 a.m.

    djc; lots of missionaries know the difference between legal and illegal. They also know that polls don't contain facts. The deportation numbers are twisted due to Obama's methods of counting, and half a million less illegal aliens leaves us 11.5 million. Our military right now is 1,456,862 (active) 1,458,500 (reserve). 11.5 million is an invasion force larger than D-Day. Utah's 110,000-150,000 is the size of the allied soldiers that landed on D-day.

    Some of us have lived outside the state (Oakland) and see what is coming. It's not diversity, it's a wedge driven by corruption.

    Only 21% think illegal immigration is not serious. That says it all.

  • utahboni Ogden, UT
    June 25, 2012 7:30 a.m.

    I live in a diverse neighborhood of 1300 or less sq/ft houses. Most of the immigrants who live in my neighborhood are pleasant people who don't hassle anyone. However there is an issue with over-crowding of the houses. 10 people should not be allowed to live in a 1300 sq/ft house. I blame this mostly on absentee landlords who are too cheap or greedy to hire a decent property manager. The either don't know or don't care how many residents they have living in their houses. In one house, the ceiling caved in because people were sleeping in the attic and the rafters weren't strong enough to support the weight. The landlord sent someone in to fix the ceiling and then turned around and rented the property out to another group of 10 people. This sort of activity has driven down the property values in my neighborhood.

  • djc Stansbury Park, Ut
    June 25, 2012 7:05 a.m.

    It is interesting that the actual facts and figures give lie to the constant drumbeat against "illegals" that is heard one talk radio. Diversity is a good thing and broadening one's experiences is also good. Utah with its high percentage of returned missionaries should be far more receptive to immigrants then areas were people have never left the safety of their home town. I welcome the facts given here and only wish that more people would read the article.

  • trueamerican Huntsville, AL
    June 25, 2012 5:23 a.m.

    This nation must do away with the "anchor baby" twist that provides auto-citizenship. This will go a long way in curbing illegal immigration. Without it, the illegal immigration issues will never go away here. Face it, Mexico, and the rest of the 3rd world, will never fix their problems. Few want to stay and fix it.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    June 25, 2012 4:38 a.m.

    The reality is this reads more like a political stance/opinion than a news article.

    Get away from the politics and become a newspaper again, or I will be forced to find my news elsewhere.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    June 25, 2012 1:02 a.m.

    The great recession, people out of work, people dealing with identity theft, or servicemen overseas.

    Why is the Deseret news and KSL obsessed with illegal immigration articles? There are so many people out there who have not broken laws that should be the subject of your compassion.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    June 24, 2012 11:43 p.m.

    Mixing diversity with illegal immigration articles? Attitudes will change once those here illegally are sent home. Right now, they color any poll.